Should He Stay or Should He Go?: Shay Given
By James Collins On Wed 16 Apr 2008 |
As another marathon of a season nears its end, it is time to look at the Newcastle United squad and identify just who we should look to keep for next season. However, the past nine months have been something of a disappointment and it must therefore be necessary to cut some of the chaff from the squad if we are to progress. In this new serial, Newcastle-Online shall assess each player individually, and answer the question: Should they stay, or should they go? Proceeding in numerical order, we first turn our attentions towards Irish stopper Shay Given .
The Lowdown
4:45pm, Sunday 17th September 2006. In the years to come, this may be the moment that is seen as the turning point in Shay Given’s football career. Lazarus was no more, as the lazy, clumsy, and over optimistic striker Marlon Harewood finally burst a gut, and it wasn’t his own. Hospitalised by internal injuries, Given missed months of the 2006/07 season, and has struggled for form and fitness since.
He Should Stay
Given has provided ten seasons of loyal service to the club. And for much of this period, his performances were consistently stellar, to the extent that he has featured in the PFA Premier League Team of the Year on two occasions – no mean feat considering that many regard the Premier League as being the best in the world.
Shay has stood out ahead of other Premier League goalkeepers because he is a world class shot stopper. Over the years, he has produced some truly exceptional saves, and during some spells of his Newcastle career, he was pulling these saves off once or twice a game. As such, his status in the Magpies side was elevated to that of a key player, with the likes of Sir Bobby Robson describing him as a match winner. His shot stopping ability stemmed from his sharp reflexes, his agility, a habit of being at the right place at the right time, and a huge spring on his feet that compensated for the Irishman’s height, for at 6’1â€, Shay is a midget compared to other goalkeepers.
Reliability is another important attribute for a keeper, and it is very rare for Newcastle to concede a goal on the basis of a blatant mistake by Given. With the number of goals Newcastle concede, the rarity of these mistakes has been testament to Given’s reliability.
Given shall be 32 on Sunday, but age is not normally a cause for concern with goalkeepers, with the likes of Edwin van der Sar and David James performing at the highest level well into their thirties. James in particular is playing the best football in his life. With that in mind, there is a chance that we can get some consistently high class performances out of Given over the next five seasons.
He Should Go
It is easy to write good stuff about Shay Given. It is however less easy to praise Given’s ability without reverting into the past tense. As such, it is hard to deny that there is great disappointment in the Irishman’s performances over the past two seasons.
One area of disappointment has been Given’s fitness since his collision with Marlon Harewood. After returning from his initial layoff Given has been plagued by a series of groin and thigh injuries. Whether or not these injuries are connected to his initial stomach injury is hard to determine, but the fact is that these injuries do not seem to be going away.
All defences need the mainstay of having the same goalkeeper behind them week-in-week-out, and for no fault of his own, Given has not provided this luxury to our defence. Credit must go to Steve Harper for coming into the team and not letting anyone down, but he must find it difficult to remain motivated when previous managers have removed him from the team as soon as Given is fit, regardless of performance.
Another worry is that Shay’s injury troubles seem to have had a negative effect on his performances. It suddenly looks as though his boots are filled with lead. He seems to have lost the spring and agility that made him the keeper he was of old. Suddenly his comparative lack of height has become a major issue. His loss of form is highlighted by a number of long range goals we have conceded this season that the old Given would have certainly saved with Hollywood panache.
Remove the attributes that have made Given a top stopper for many seasons, and he suddenly looks very ordinary. His distribution of the ball is very one dimensional and was only of any use to Alan Shearer. Our former number nine had a knack of getting close to our current number one’s long clearances, winning the flick or winning a free kick. Now that Shearer has retired, he is giving the ball away almost every time, putting his team mates under too much pressure. It would also seem in recent months that he is scared of getting injured every time he kicks the ball, and this is worrying.
Furthermore, he has never been a commanding keeper, particularly when it comes to dealing with crosses, he lacks presence, and has never been particularly good at marshaling his defence.
Shay has had a new back four in front of him this season, and due to his limitations and lack of form, he has failed to inspire confidence in the new defenders that have been sat in front of him. Defenders can be much more confident if they can rely on protection from the midfield, and heroics from the goalkeeper. This season, they have been provided with neither.
Conclusion
Although Shay has struggled with form and fitness, there is a good keeper to be found, especially if the rest of the team is playing well. He deserves the chance to prove that he can find his old self again. If he fails to improve however, his first team place should be threatened. As such, Shay Given finds himself on his Last Chance.
Do you think we should show Shay Given some patience? Is he over the hill? Have your say.
Coming soon: Should He Stay or Should He Go?: Stephen Carr

as a loyal fan off newcastle united would be delighted if steve harper was kept at club and given a benifit match
Sent in on: June 5th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
shay has 2 be the best goalkeeper this club has ever had and it wud be a shame to let him go becuase of 1 bad season give him 2 more seasons and replace him with tim krul who is a brilliant keeper who is so underated
Sent in on: May 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Shay has been such a good servant to the club but I’m afraid it is time he moves on. His injuries have effectively crippled him, he is so much slower than he used to be off the line, and his form has been way below standard. Thanks for a great few years, but everything has its time
Sent in on: May 25th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
My 2 cents …
Personally I don’t care whether Given goes or stays, quite frankly, as long as if he gets back into the first team, he does it on form and form alone
There have been several occasions in the past when Steve Harper, who is our longest serving player (contrary to what some posts on here have claimed) has kept Shay out on form, and what has Shay done about this? Every time, he spits out his dummy, puts in a transfer request, whinges on about needing to be in the first team for his international career etc etc and it’s back to the bench for poor old Steve.
Harper is the better all-round keeper. His distribution and command of the box have always been better, and lately as he has actually had a couple of good runs in the side, his shot-stopping has been tremendous.
Given’s kicking has been terrible for at least the last three years - has anyone told him the Gosforth Lion is not up front anymore? - and I agree that his shot-stopping has not been anywhere as good since that clumsy dickhead tried to slice him in two.
Ideally, I would keep both Harper and Given for first team duties - pick whoever is on form - and call the bluff of any spoilt little child who whinges about needing to be in the first team for his Ireland career and let them go onto the transfer list - let’s face it, Harper would be in the England squad if he had had a fair chance at Newcastle over the years!
If we sell anyone, for me it must be Shay - he simply is not our best keeper at the moment.
Yes he has been tremendous, but that is in the past and he has benefitted from weak management who have been too scared to call his bluff when he has been kept out of the team by Harps
Sent in on: May 25th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Jesus how fickle a bunch of fans support this club,
Shay operates infront of one of the worst defenses in the league for years pulling out of countless amounts of shit situations.
Has one crap season and people want to cash in/drop him.
Shay is one of the best keepers in the league, and frankly the world, And one of the few players we have that would easily find his way into starting on the majority of premiership teams, that includes some of the big4. (easily get on ahead of almunia and frankly Van Der’sar)
Rather start harper whose older and has Conceeded 25in the league in 18games (apprx), with frankly a better defense than the likes that shay’s had in recent years.
for me it’s
Shay #1 every single time
Krul #2 to start getting some experience under his belt
…amazes me how quickly our fans turn at times
Sent in on: May 10th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Give Shay a break! Why do we turn on someone so quickly? Shay has been fabulous for us and without him where could we have been over the years- latterly the defence has been rubbish in front of him, and he sustained the horrific injury whilst playing, which has resulted in him not being his best this season. He can’t have been the automatic choice over a number of years/number of managers for anything other than his ability. He’s now had his surgery and I sincerely hope Shay is back to his normal self next season.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Shay Given should have gone to a big club years ago. Staying at Newcastle was not about loyalty though but rather a lack of ambition. It was easier to turn and play for Newcastle because he was assured of his place. He could not have done that at a big club. That said he deserves a little bit more respect than to be shoved out the door at this time. All of a sudden he seems to be the reason Newcastle have failed so badly. Injury or no injury that back four has been a disgrace to any club playing in the top division. He was papering over the cracks for years for you guys.
Sent in on: May 5th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I must admit I am dissapointed with Shay over the last couple of seasons and think that we should cash in while we can.
I have always stated that his command of the area and his ability to pluck out crosses has been very suspect, add to that his awful distribution (apart from long punts)and you have a goalkeeper who relies on his reflex ability and quickness off the line… These last two facets of his game seem to have deserted him!
Steve Harper has come in and deputised and has improved game by game until it is obvious to everyone that his “overall” game is far superior to Shay’s, the confidence he gives to the lads in front of him is there for all to see.
I would rather keep Harper and get some money from selling shay whilst he still has a reputation.
Yes, he has been one of our most loyal players (apart from threatening to put in a transfer request now and again!!!) but if we want to improve we have to be clear and concise and not shy away from these “tough” decisions.
Shay has not performed to the standard we should be looking at for the best part of two years.
Best of luck to you in your next Job!
Sent in on: May 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 am
I would like Shay to stay although the argument is very much against this.
Shay perhaps believes he should be automatic first choice which doesnt exactly encourage squad competition.Also the Irishman hasnt been at his best since the injury at West Ham and Harper has overtaken him in the pecking order as far as im concerned.We also have two very good young keepers and it may make sense in some peoples eyes to sell either Given or Harper to give the younger lads more experience.
However for some reason goalkeepers dont command as high transfer values as outfield players so unless we are offered silly money then its Given to stay.
Sent in on: April 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Every point made here has been very valid, yes Given has been an outstanding player for us, yes he has been loyal, but the word to highlight that has cropped up many times is HAS. With his recent injury worries and almost looking as though he’s scared to play his best, I think maybe its best if he goes. Yes he has been with the club for a long time and maybe we should give him more time etc. But when has giving time to play to players/managers every been a priority in football? Would be great to offer him a coaching job to keep him at the club and stand by him that way, but if we are to have a top 6 club fighting for European qualification, which all newcastle fans want and “think” we can achieve then we need to have a side that is strong in EVERY area and not field players who aren’t confident of their ability/form/fitness. The time to turn this club around has been a long time in coming, with the hierarchical structure the club now has, that time is now. Out with the have beens.
Sent in on: April 26th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Shay has been loyal, but selling him now wouldn’t be unfair to him at all. Harper has taken his place, and we should let him have a chance to get first team football somewhere else. Would be sad to see him between the pipes for Spuds though.
Sent in on: April 26th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Given isn’t what he used to be….
For the first time this season I’ve noticed a couple of goals we’ve conceded when I’ve actually said “Given could have done x better” or whatever…
A few years ago I beleived he was one of the top 5 in the world but not anymore.
I still think he deserves to be Newcastle’s number one though. But we should spend big on one of the worlds best upcoming goalie’s to “put the wind up him”. He needs a new challenge to get back on top.
Sent in on: April 24th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Given is excpetional keeper and tend to be sensational.After all that he has give us, he is still the one reliable to us.We still need him.LAST CHANCE please.However its time to find another top class goalkeeper !
Sent in on: April 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
He should go, he`s gone stale. He doesn`t command his area and can`t catch a Ball. His kicking is atrocious for a Professional Footballer. He`s been loyal but it`s time to cash in on him I`m afraid.
Sent in on: April 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
PEople are talking about that shay has lost it and is not as good as he once was, maybe but i dont think he has had a consistant amount of gamesto prove that he is still the same. Outfield players need time to regain form and fitness just like Owen hes only now playing 20 games on the bounce and now it is showing, i dont think shay given had 20 games on the bounce since returning from injury. A bad point thou is that managaers have to mcuh faith in him, which you can not blame him for, maybe now that KK has given him a rest and not playing him as soon as he is fit may give him the strength back in his groin and then his confidence will return and be come the keeper ‘He Once Was’. Remember given played more or less all Newcastle games from 2001 to 2006. 5 years of consistancy and now with jus a couple of months of loss of form can some how give him his last chance is beyond me.
Sent in on: April 21st, 2008 at 11:07 am
i have spotted that since his injury he has been making one handed saves part of the reason we have conceded so many goals.how many times has he been beaten from outside the box above his head.In previous seasons it never happend ,so is it a long term problem, can he no-longer stretch two hands above his head a short term hitch or is it in his mind.personally i would sell him to celtic as i rate harper over him harper commands the box more than given does.we will need to move a keeper on, as we have so many good young keepers .i would rather get good money for shay than peanuts for a youngster.
Sent in on: April 20th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
For me its simple.
He hasn’t been good this season.
But, this is the same keeper who could have had his pick of clubs in Europe a few years back, but chose to stay with us.
“Last Chance” is the minimum he deserves.
Sent in on: April 18th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
shay is one of the best keepers in the league if not the best, he has to STAY!!!!
Sent in on: April 18th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Where is your loyalty, Shay has been our best player for many years now and has proven that he is loyal to our club. Yes he has suffered with injury over the past two seasons since his initial stomach injury caused by Marlon Harewood, while playing for our club.
Yes Steve Harper has come into the team and has been brilliant, another good loyal servant to our club, however watch out because show any loss of form and you will be out of the door, as this article implies and the so called loyal supporters who have supported this thinking.
I do agree that now Steve is in the position that Shay has to prove and fight for his right to be number 1 but no he should not be cast aside……have some respect for the man. Michael Owen has proven he has come through his injury and poor form when no doubt the same people praising him now were baying for his blood a few months ago.
Sent in on: April 18th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Sell, Sell, Sell!!! He is not that good anymore, and often complains when not playing. Also looks like he doesn’t have the heart anymore.. He has been great for us, but maybe HE needs a new challange now. Maybe thats the only way for HIM to become the reliable keeper he once was. I don’t know, it just looks like he’s not enjoying it when he plays, and it never has for the last 3 years.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Good article be interested to see what people say about Milner.
As for Given not sure what to think, he has his faults but for some people to say that the defence plays deep cos they have no faith in him is a joke, is this the same defence that once consisted of Boumsong, Bramble, Carr and Babayro etc but what more can i say their names say it all, granted Given has had a off season but he has been so consistently good for us that we cannot write him off, all players dip in form we are just fortunate to have Harper who has never let us down.
Moot i think your being a bit harsh of him be interested to see what you say about the other lot just hope your not getting carried away with recent results.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Interesting feature (in fact, I always do something similar every year). One thing though - re your Stay / Go / Last Chance classification : surely ALL the players should always be classified as “Last Chance” - if they can perform well in the near future, we want to keep them. If they don’t, we don’t.
I just think the term is a bit wrong. Can’t you change it to some shortened version of “Wouldn’t mind keeping him as a squad player, but won’t be too sad if we make a few quid by letting him go to West Ham”?
For the record, though, Shay Given still is our No 1 keeper. On current form, Steve Harper should be player, no doubt. Players always get told they should take their chance when presented to them … he’s doing exactly that.
Shay should come out and prove to KK that he deserves to be in the starting line-up ahead of Harper, whether that’s through impressing him in training, or taking his chance if Harper gets injured at some stage.
It’s ludicrous to suggest he should just go, without an even better keeper (and there are not too many of them around!) being lined up. I hope that Given and/or Harper are missing some stage next season, to give Krul and/or Forster a shot, but they are still very young in an “old man’s position”. Send them out on loan (again, in Krul’s case).
Unless Iker Casillas is set for SJP, Shay is a definite KEEP.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Shay is without any doubt at all the weakest link at NUFC. He has no idea at all how to command a defence, never comes for crosees, cannot kick for toffee, his throw outs are a liability and his defenders have so little faith in him they defend deeper and deeper every match drawing teams onto us. He was, repeat was, a great shot stopper. He is now, according to OPTA stats, second worse in the Premiership with only Robinson worse. Our recnt improved form owes far more to the presence of Steve Harper than very much else. Confidence has grown from the back. So, thanks Shay, but time to go - and I will come to your testimonial to say thank you for what you have done in the past.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I find it difficult to seperate Given and Harper in terms of ability.
However after Harper has experienced first team action - especially after being in such good form - I do not believe that we will be able to continue to keep them both happy for much longer.
Therefore should we lose one of them it has to be Given. We either take a reasonable fee for Given or lose Harper on a free - its a no brainer!!
OK Given has been a loyal servant to the club; but its very easy to do so when your getting your game!
Lets give Harper his turn - he deserves it !
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Good effort James, I look forward to reading the rest of the series.
I am however shocked at the lack of abuse you’ve taken for saying Given is on his ‘last chance’. While I agree with you completely & would possibly edge towards selling him now while he still holds a decent sale value, it never ceases to amaze me how loyal some of the Toon fans can be to a player that while he used to be great, has basically been average at best for two seasons (when fit).
Keep up the good work James!
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Are you kidding me? One of if not THE most loyal newcastle player in living memory. He’s been a rock at the back, admittedly Harper is looking very comfortable between the sticks and Given may have to force his way back in, still, saying he should go is just daft.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 9:08 am
In which case James, perhaps you should change your conclusion to stay for now.
We have had far worse at this club with lesser ability and passion. A couple of seasons below his own high standards should not put him on last chance - surely?
I agree with the sentiment that Harper should retain his place. I have never liked the fact Given just walks straight back into the side. The one dislike I have about Given however, is that he does not seem to like being on the bench.
My conclusion, stay. However, on the basis the player in better form plays. If he does not like that, then he has to go.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Can’t believe these comments above. Everyone is banging on about ‘we wouldn’t be in the Premiership without Shay’ and ‘look what he’s done in the last 10 years’ etc etc. Since when has past form had anything to do with how NUFC are going to do NEXT season?
Given’s done pretty well (although his shortcomings are obvious) but he ain’t now at the standard Keegan will demand. Thanks Shay but you might be becoming the weakest link….
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Couldn’t agree more. Shay Given is a fantastic shot stopper but that’s where his skills stop for me. He never controls his defence like a top keeper should. His distribution is terrible and his lack of height means he never has the confidence to collect crosses. Also, Keegan’s track record suggests that he prefers taller keepers, Pav, Shaka, Mike Hooper lol. So i think his days could be numbered.
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 8:08 am
quite comical… shay given is the reason we re in the premiership
Sent in on: April 17th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Ridiculous to say that shay given is on his last chance. he has been a shining light for the past 10 years, and all of a sudden - after a few injuries - his place at the club is brought into question???
i agree stevie harper has been brilliant, but there is no way we should ever consider selling given.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Don’t be silly obviously the man needs to stay….
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I look forward to reading this series of articles. Great so far.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Shay Given has been one of the best goalkeepers in the world, he gets so much pratice with newcastle and ireland, am sure that he could have played for a better club and won more things, but he was true 2 newcasle, so dont turn on him so quick
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
I agree entirely with the article as Shay has certainly not been himself since the oaf Harewood clattered him. It would be nice to see Shay return to form though, especially after the loyalty he’s shown us in the past - who can remember the two consecutive seasons Arse Wenger came a sniffing? I fear the worst however and feel that despite Harper’s heroics, GK is an area we must reinforce…perhaps it’s time to give Fraser Forster a chance - now he does look the real deal!
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Good article James, however save yourself some work and skip Steve Carr. Anyone outside of his immediate family with the Toons best intrest at heart wants that useless f*cker to go.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Shay Given is our current longest serving player with more toon caps than any other in our current squad. He’s our most experienced European player ever and has been named in the PFA’s team of the year twice. After a year which has seen two managers go out the door and a squad that has under performed in front of him. Couple that with the fact that he has had a number of injuries over the last two seasons including one which was likened to a car crash. You still believe that he’s on his last chance? Loyal supporter? Absolute Joke.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
As far as I’m concerned, Shay should stay at the club until he retires if he so desires. If he wanted to, he could have left and won some trophies elsewhere, but he stuck with us through thick and thin. I don’t think he is an automatic starter anymore, but if he is happy to stick around not starting as much as he used to, he should be allowed to do so.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I honestly think last chance for Given is a bit harsh mind. I realise his injuries, slight loss of form and distribution have suffered this season but he is still one of, if not, the best keeper in the league. Hats off to Harper for his deputy work this season though!!
For me, if you played Given in one of the top four teams then he’d get every accolade in the league. It’s no coincidence that when we were a top 4 team he made the top PL team once or maybe twice under SBR.
Every player in our squad has had a confidence boost of late and if Given had been in the team I feel he would be included in that too.
Harewood should’ve been done for assault with that challenge as well. He’s so bad - Just like Shola!!!
Haway the lads - GOT to win this weekend
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Let him go if he wants.
Given has not been performing at his old level lately. Harper has come in and done a very good job. I think Harper deserves his run in the team and I hope he starts as our keeper next season. If Given can not handle that, SELL HIM!
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
I think Given still has a few seasons left in him, but with Steven Harper showing such stability and leadership at the back in his recent spell between the posts, it could be the case that wor Shay may have to settle for being number two for a while.
Given may have been a loyal servant to the club, but let’s not forget which of the keepers has been there the longest, and had the least first team action.
Now that Shay’s starting to pick up injuries regularly, and Harper has been an instrumental part of a monumental comeback this season, the writing may well be on the wall.
Shay should stay at Newcastle, but I think it’s time he stepped aside and let Harper have more of the action (at least until he is over this bad patch of injury, and being afraid of picking up injuries).
There’s not enough experience between the two new keepers we have to take the reigns if anything should happen to Harps, so it would make sense to keep hold of Shay, and retain the two best keepers (in my opinion) in the premier league.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Just to make some clarifications to readers about this series, almost every first team player shall be given the same treatment, with reasons given as to why they should stay and why they should go, and the conclusion will categorise the player into three categories: Stay, Go, Last Chance.
Sent in on: April 16th, 2008 at 2:19 pm