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« Reply #1660 on: July 28, 2006, 12:54:16 PM »
I think Eko will be mid-season again. He just had one a few episodes back.
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« Reply #1661 on: July 28, 2006, 01:37:20 PM »
Does anyone read the Lost magazine. It's canny like.  {$default_cool_smiley}
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« Reply #1662 on: July 28, 2006, 01:41:21 PM »
I don't, surprisingly. I don't think anywhere local to me sells it.

What kind of content does it have? I think I've read a few spoilery interviews with Javi which have been taken from it in the past, which were pretty interesting.
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« Reply #1663 on: July 28, 2006, 01:52:10 PM »
Anyone visited here yet? Bizarre site. Not really sure what to do!

https://www.hansoexposed.com/
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« Reply #1664 on: July 30, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »
Ok huys, I finally managed to watch all the episodes (yeah I know I'm late) and read some of the interesting observations on this thread, just a few things are bugging me:

1) Did the button do anything? I read on another website that it had no effect as nothing happened to anyone in the end (well excpet for maybe Eko and Locke). But couldnt that be because Desmond unleashed the safety vavlve and if he didnt, then thing would have got messy. Those who think that the button had an effect points out to the plane crash as the ssame day of the previous system failure. But this can be countered by the fact that the plane was already 100 miles off course before it crashed, so there had to be some other forces that brough the plane to the island. Besides if the system failure did bring the plane down, how come teh swan hatch remains intact, surely the release of such powerful EM would have blown the hatch as well unles the plane was shot at with some targetted EM weapon. The thing is I'm confused, I have no idea whether the button has any impact (i.e was it real or just a psyco experiment with no impact at all) Would be great to hear ur opinions on this

2) Why was Ana Lucio's role ended early? I read somewhere that she was supposed to be in a love triangle with Jack and Kate?

3) Who the hell is Cindy (which flight attendent?) and Cynthia., Their names keep popping out but I have no recollections of either character?
 
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« Reply #1665 on: July 30, 2006, 05:18:28 PM »
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3) Who the hell is Cindy? Her name keeps popping out but I have no recollections of the character?

She's the one who gave Jack a drink on the plane. She was with Eko's mob, but on the trek to the other side of the island, disappeared without anyone noticing until later. How or why she disappeared isn't known, but it was assumed that the Others picked her off.
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« Reply #1666 on: July 30, 2006, 05:46:47 PM »
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3) Who the hell is Cindy? Her name keeps popping out but I have no recollections of the character?

She's the one who gave Jack a drink on the plane. She was with Eko's mob, but on the trek to the other side of the island, disappeared without anyone noticing until later. How or why she disappeared isn't known, but it was assumed that the Others picked her off.

Thanks and Cynthia?
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« Reply #1667 on: July 30, 2006, 06:05:54 PM »
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3) Who the hell is Cindy? Her name keeps popping out but I have no recollections of the character?

She's the one who gave Jack a drink on the plane. She was with Eko's mob, but on the trek to the other side of the island, disappeared without anyone noticing until later. How or why she disappeared isn't known, but it was assumed that the Others picked her off.

Thanks and Cynthia?

Can't think who she is, I'm shit with names :D

Actually, no, isn't she supposed to be the Fiance of the other one... that bloke... Long hair, Scottish, went sailing for a couple of weeks.
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« Reply #1668 on: July 30, 2006, 06:17:16 PM »
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3) Who the hell is Cindy? Her name keeps popping out but I have no recollections of the character?

She's the one who gave Jack a drink on the plane. She was with Eko's mob, but on the trek to the other side of the island, disappeared without anyone noticing until later. How or why she disappeared isn't known, but it was assumed that the Others picked her off.

Thanks and Cynthia?

Cynthia probably = Cynthia Wartros, the actress who plays Libby.
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« Reply #1669 on: July 30, 2006, 06:48:10 PM »
Quote from: Andy on July 30, 2006, 06:17:16 PM
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3) Who the hell is Cindy? Her name keeps popping out but I have no recollections of the character?

She's the one who gave Jack a drink on the plane. She was with Eko's mob, but on the trek to the other side of the island, disappeared without anyone noticing until later. How or why she disappeared isn't known, but it was assumed that the Others picked her off.

Thanks and Cynthia?

Cynthia probably = Cynthia Wartros, the actress who plays Libby.

Andy, you have some interesting theories on this thread. What is ur take on the buttons? Was it real or just some bollocks used for some psycho experiment?
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« Reply #1670 on: July 30, 2006, 07:03:30 PM »
I'm pretty sure it was real; we clearly saw the magnet charging with the countdown clock being crushed, washing machines being thrown around etc etc. And more significantly, the writers have stated that it DID play a part in the crash, and we have to take their word on it really. The question about why the hatch wasn't destroyed completely is interesting, but I'd guess that it was probably built so that the outside world would take the brunt of any kind of impact, and the inside would be protected.

It could all still quite easily be part of an experiment. You just have to look at Henry Gale and chums' reaction to the sky going white to see that; they seemed to be almost expectant, and totally unsurprised afterwards. We won't know for sure until october. If I had to guess, I'd say that those inside are all alive, and turning the key had some other kind of effect (maybe opening a hidden doorway; something along those lines).
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« Reply #1671 on: July 30, 2006, 07:12:04 PM »
I'd forgotten about all those blocked tunnels which Sayid discovered. Perhaps they will become unblocked.
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« Reply #1672 on: July 30, 2006, 07:31:08 PM »
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I'm pretty sure it was real; we clearly saw the magnet charging with the countdown clock being crushed, washing machines being thrown around etc etc. And more significantly, the writers have stated that it DID play a part in the crash, and we have to take their word on it really. The question about why the hatch wasn't destroyed completely is interesting, but I'd guess that it was probably built so that the outside world would take the brunt of any kind of impact, and the inside would be protected.

It could all still quite easily be part of an experiment. You just have to look at Henry Gale and chums' reaction to the sky going white to see that; they seemed to be almost expectant, and totally unsurprised afterwards. We won't know for sure until october. If I had to guess, I'd say that those inside are all alive, and turning the key had some other kind of effect (maybe opening a hidden doorway; something along those lines).






I still wonder why the hatch was left unscathed by the first time that the counter was allowed to go beyond zero (ie when Dessie let it happen causing the crash), surely if the EM was powerful enough to pull a plane from the sky, it would have damaged stuff in the hatch, like it did this time.
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« Reply #1673 on: July 30, 2006, 07:42:09 PM »
Again, the only explanation I can think of is that the power of the magnet is focused outwards, towards the sky, and it doesn't have as huge an effect on the things outside of it's line of sight. The hatch may well be built out of materials that nullify the force of the magnet too; when Henry gale was captured he said he worked in "non-metalic minerals" - maybe the entire hatch is built using these minerals, and is therefore pretty much immune to the magnetic power that the magnet gives off (at least until it gets itself REALLY charged up, as it did when it crushed the timer).

We did see the odd thing flying around when it counted down in the flashback, but desmond managed to deactivate it before it got too severe. That begs the question; if it was charged enough to bring down a plane after only about 20 seconds then, what could it potentially bring down now after being at full power for a few minutes?
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« Reply #1674 on: July 30, 2006, 07:51:04 PM »
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Again, the only explanation I can think of is that the power of the magnet is focused outwards, towards the sky, and it doesn't have as huge an effect on the things outside of it's line of sight. The hatch may well be built out of materials that nullify the force of the magnet too; when Henry gale was captured he said he worked in "non-metalic minerals" - maybe the entire hatch is built using these minerals, and is therefore pretty much immune to the magnetic power that the magnet gives off (at least until it gets itself REALLY charged up, as it did when it crushed the timer).

We did see the odd thing flying around when it counted down in the flashback, but desmond managed to deactivate it before it got too severe. That begs the question; if it was charged enough to bring down a plane after only about 20 seconds then, what could it potentially bring down now after being at full power for a few minutes?

Satellite or a submarine, I reckon.
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« Reply #1675 on: July 30, 2006, 07:51:56 PM »
Ok if the EM energy was dangerous and had a real impact, then how come when the safety valve was released and presumably allowed all the EM energy to escape, all we saw was a loud noise and the sky changing colours without any real damage.

The thing that confuses me is that the non pressing of the button and turning the key to release teh valve seemed to do the same thing i.e release EM energy but whilst the former brought a plane down, the latter didnt do much?

Below was a review that Andy posted previously which also argues that the EM energy was not dangerous.

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What exactly does this episode reveal? The Swan station is, in fact, sitting on some kind of tapped electromagnetic energy. Energy which may or may not be stable, since prior to the arrival of the Dharma Initiative in 1980, it was probably right there on the island all along without causing a single problem. The Swan station was constructed on top of that and appears to have been used to build up the EM energy and regulate it.

The very existence of the failsafe, a device to unleash the harnessed energy and remove the Swan station from the equation completely, undermines any argument that the unusual EM fields were particularly dangerous in the first place. The implication of the orientation film was that an accident took place, requiring the systematic release of EM energy every 108 minutes. But that assumes that the built-up EM energy would release in an immediate EM pulse with a wide enough spectrum to wash out the sky in visible light.

Why build a failsafe that would wipe out the station if the station was the only thing “saving the world”? The answer is: it wouldn’t be built. Wiping out the regulation of the EM energy wouldn’t be an option. So the implication is fairly obvious: the existence of the EM energy, already useful for other Hanso/Dharma experiments, was used as a pretext for the psychological experiment being carried out in the Swan station.

Here’s the logic: set up a situation that will have an actual, discernable local effect. Make sure that effect is as disconcerting as possible. Then attach a system to regulate it, and build up the consequences of that task to massive proportions in the minds of those charged with the job. Study the effects. And what’s more, study the effects of studying the effects. (Does anyone really expect that the Pearl station wasn’t also under observation from another location? Like, say, the true headquarters of the Others?)


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« Reply #1676 on: July 30, 2006, 08:39:13 PM »
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Ok if the EM energy was dangerous and had a real impact, then how come when the safety valve was released and presumably allowed all the EM energy to escape, all we saw was a loud noise and the sky changing colours without any real damage.

The thing that confuses me is that the non pressing of the button and turning the key to release teh valve seemed to do the same thing i.e release EM energy but whilst the former brought a plane down, the latter didnt do much?

The latter seemed more like a massive discharge of energy; removing the magnetism from the air, and presumably destroying the magnet within the swan, rather than being a magnetic force itself.

The reviewer in that article you posted is jumping to a number of conclusions; the first been that the key destroys the hatch itself. Kelvin may have told Desmond that, but there's no reason to take his word as gospel.
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« Reply #1677 on: July 31, 2006, 06:02:22 PM »
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« Reply #1678 on: July 31, 2006, 10:33:18 PM »
Comic-con podcast: https://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/lost/Lostpodcast_22top_abc.mp3
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« Reply #1679 on: July 31, 2006, 11:55:28 PM »
Just listened to it... Aside from the cringeworthy audience sounds there's nothing there that wasn't already posted, but I'm pretty sure Damon was being serious when he said "that's assuming time is the same on the island as it is in the outside world" (or words to that effect), which surprised me. They also seemed to pretty strongly hint at an underwater hatch, which explains the purchasing of underwater cage sets.

Other than that it was still a good listen, Jorge Garcia sounds like he basically IS Hurley :D
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