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« Reply #1600 on: July 05, 2006, 06:49:10 PM »
I'm not really drawn on the idea of ending it with a movie... Does that mean that they'll end the last ever TV episode on a cliffhanger? What would happen if the movie was scrapped half way through production after they'd already ended the TV series, would we ever actually get a conclusion?

The only way I could see it working would be if they did a spin-off story which filled in some of the islands past, perhaps, rather than focusing on the current bunch of characters.
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« Reply #1601 on: July 06, 2006, 12:59:28 PM »
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I'm not really drawn on the idea of ending it with a movie... Does that mean that they'll end the last ever TV episode on a cliffhanger? What would happen if the movie was scrapped half way through production after they'd already ended the TV series, would we ever actually get a conclusion?

The only way I could see it working would be if they did a spin-off story which filled in some of the islands past, perhaps, rather than focusing on the current bunch of characters.

Plus fans of the TV show might not want to go and see the film but they would have to if they wanted to see what happened.
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« Reply #1602 on: July 07, 2006, 12:54:29 PM »
So the nominations for this years EMMYs have been announced, and are just absolutely baffling to be honest. Lost was only nominated in the following categories, despite being favourite to sweep-up most of the major awards:

1.) Outstanding Casting for a Drama
2.) Outstanding Cinematography For A Single-Camera Series ("Man of Science, Man of Faith")
3.) Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series - Jack Bender ("Live Together, Die Alone")
4.) Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series ("One of Them")
5.) Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series ("Live Together, Die Alone")
6.) Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama - Henry Ian Cusick
7.) Outstanding Single-Camera Sound Mixing For a Series ("Live Together, Die Alone")
8.) Outstanding Special Visual Effects For A Series ("Live Together, Die Alone")
9.) Outstanding Writting in a Drama - Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse ("The 23rd Psalm")

Not even being nominated for best drama is quite harsh, but for none of the leading actors to get nominated is INCREDIBLE. Why is terry o'quinn not in there? Or Adawale A-A? How does Henry Ian Cussick (Desmond) get nominated, but not Michael Emerson? How on earth didn't Giacchino get nominated for Outstanding Musical Composition?

Incredible.
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« Reply #1603 on: July 11, 2006, 12:24:25 AM »
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ABC drama LOST has moved to strengthen it's writing team as it heads into it's third season this fall. Many TV critics claimed that the main problem with LOST's second season - the main cause of it's inconsistencies - was a lack of variation in it's scriptwriting staff. The show only employed 8 regular writers in total last season, compared to 11 in the first season.

Coming in for season three include Drew Goddard and Jeff Pinkner, who both have previous experience on the show having been storyline producers in season one. Goddard, known for strong character exploration, metophoric and dialogue-intensive writing wrote the script for the season one episode "Outlaws", in which the character "Sawyer" attempted to hunt down a troublesome boar, leading to a strong exploration of his motivations and his past, as well as his relationship with Kate. Pinkner, meanwhile, created the storyline for EMMY award winning episode "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues", which focused around a search for bad guy Ethan Rom, featured a powerful scene involving a near-death Charlie, and ended with the pivotal discovery of the hatch.

Other writers coming into the fray are Monica Breen & Alison Schapker, who've done their best over the past 24 months to keep fellow ABC show "Alias" afloat, despite a lack of a head writer or any kind of solid direction from the network. They will join current writers Damon Lindelof, Carlton Cuse, Adam Horrowitz, Eddy Kitsis, Steve Maeda, Leonard Dick, Christina Kim and Liz Sarnoff in what looks a strong and extremely varied writing team for the third season of LOST.

Some good additions there, definitely a very character-development centric team, with the exception of Lindelof, Cuse and Jeff Pinkner maybe. Pinkner coming back is pretty interesting. He basically follows JJ Abrams EVERYWHERE, so it makes me wonder if his return is also a sign that JJ may be coming back as well, as was rumoured a while back. That would be awesome for the show, even if he was just doing behind-the-scenes stuff and a bit of directing.

Shame they couldn't get rid off Liz Sarnoff/Christina M Kim though. They do too much soppy stuff for my liking, and seem to ruin most of the major episodes they're given (Hunting Party, Abandoned etc etc). Can't win 'em all though, I suppose.
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« Reply #1604 on: July 11, 2006, 10:37:23 AM »
Some spoilery stuff from the tailsection.com:

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Now for the real spoilers. Your first question is... How trusted/accurate a source? Pretty trusted. Keep in mind these are not that awfully revealing in terms of plot, and some may be a rehash of things you've already heard. Here we go...

- The first "sprint" of the season is a mini-season with a self contained arc running for six episodes and a larger arc being developed in the background.

- The theme is very serialized this time around, less purely "character driven" episodes as those were thought to be dead spots for season two.

- Remember the nursery for Claire and how many elements were derived from her background? Look for Kate, Jack, and Sawyer to have similar experiences. How much the others know about the losties and why is the big point of the initial arc.

- What happened to Desmond, Eko, and Locke is directly tied to Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's situation with the others.

- Henry Ian Cusick did infact sign on as a "guest star", as did the actress playing "Penelope".

- The "failsafe" made some interesting physical changes to the island.

Not a lot to go off there, but it's a start at least.
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« Reply #1605 on: July 11, 2006, 06:27:28 PM »
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Some spoilery stuff from the tailsection.com:

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Now for the real spoilers. Your first question is... How trusted/accurate a source? Pretty trusted. Keep in mind these are not that awfully revealing in terms of plot, and some may be a rehash of things you've already heard. Here we go...

- The first "sprint" of the season is a mini-season with a self contained arc running for six episodes and a larger arc being developed in the background.

- The theme is very serialized this time around, less purely "character driven" episodes as those were thought to be dead spots for season two.

- Remember the nursery for Claire and how many elements were derived from her background? Look for Kate, Jack, and Sawyer to have similar experiences. How much the others know about the losties and why is the big point of the initial arc.

- What happened to Desmond, Eko, and Locke is directly tied to Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's situation with the others.

- Henry Ian Cusick did infact sign on as a "guest star", as did the actress playing "Penelope".

- The "failsafe" made some interesting physical changes to the island.

Not a lot to go off there, but it's a start at least.

Hmm... interesting. Got any theorys?
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« Reply #1606 on: July 11, 2006, 09:13:20 PM »
Not so much "theories", but a few thoughts on each:

The first "sprint" of the season is a mini-season with a self contained arc running for six episodes and a larger arc being developed in the background.

This, to me, seems to suggest that the Kate/Jack/Sawyer story will basically be the central storyline during the mini-season, and it will resolve itself at the end of the sixth episode. I think we'll probably see 4 seperate arcs during the mini-season:

Main arc: Jack/Kate/Sawyer/The Others
Main arc: Hurley returning to camp. How the dynamic of the beach group changes due to the loss of it's leaders.
Secondary arc: The destruction of the hatch (?), and how this impacts the survivors. In particular the search for a new protective area, and a possible return to the caves.
Underyling seasonal arc: The result of the key being turned/the Penny Widmore story.

The theme is very serialized this time around, less purely "character driven" episodes as those were thought to be dead spots for season two

I think this means that, basically, we'll be returning to a similar style of storytelling that we saw in season one. I think the plan will be to spread the main storyline elements over EVERY episode, rather than having 2 fillers then 2 meaning-of-life-revealing episodes as it was last season.

Remember the nursery for Claire and how many elements were derived from her background? Look for Kate, Jack, and Sawyer to have similar experiences. How much the others know about the losties and why is the big point of the initial arc

Not really sure about this one.... Perhaps like Claire; Jack, Kate and Sawyer will each have their own personal room (or prison, if you like), and it will be furnished in a way which is representative of their past? Maybe that's also where the flashbacks will emanate from, as they remember the various items from their pasts or whatever.

What happened to Desmond, Eko, and Locke is directly tied to Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's situation with the others.

This one's FAR too vague. No idea.

Henry Ian Cusick did infact sign on as a "guest star", as did the actress playing "Penelope".

From what I've heard Cusick has signed as a season regular, so again, I'm not really sure.

The "failsafe" made some interesting physical changes to the island.

Far, far, far too vague again. Physical changes could mean ANYTHING. I guess this could in some way be related to the purchase of underwater sets/cages that the crew have hired, though I have no idea how. It could also be refering to phsical changes for those ON the island; maybe due to the magnet exploding (or whatever) Locke will no longer be able to walk, and Rose will develop cancer again. Who knows?
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Maybe the magnetic explosive killed off the monster? or effected it in someway
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« Reply #1608 on: July 12, 2006, 12:00:42 AM »
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Maybe the magnetic explosive killed off the monster? or effected it in someway


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Interesting idea. Kind of like "Forbidden Planet" maybe the magnetic field is responsible/influential for the good mystical things about the island (its healing powers) as well as the bad mystical things (the monster).

Good idea.
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« Reply #1609 on: July 12, 2006, 12:08:27 AM »
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- What happened to Desmond, Eko, and Locke is directly tied to Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's situation with the others.

Prisoner swap? It intrigued me why the others didn't ask Michael to get Loke and Eko in the first place, remember Henry saying to Locke "you're one of the good ones, John" or something like that and they already tried to get Eko once before.

- Henry Ian Cusick did infact sign on as a "guest star", as did the actress playing "Penelope".

Does this mean they're not guaranteed to be in the next series? ie they're not long for this world?

- The "failsafe" made some interesting physical changes to the island.

No ideas.
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« Reply #1610 on: July 12, 2006, 12:16:14 AM »
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- What happened to Desmond, Eko, and Locke is directly tied to Kate, Jack, and Sawyer's situation with the others.

Prisoner swap? It intrigued me why the others didn't ask Michael to get Loke and Eko in the first place, remember Henry saying to Locke "you're one of the good ones, John" or something like that and they already tried to get Eko once before.

- Henry Ian Cusick did infact sign on as a "guest star", as did the actress playing "Penelope".

Does this mean they're not guaranteed to be in the next series? ie they're not long for this world?

- The "failsafe" made some interesting physical changes to the island.

No ideas.

Not a lot to go off there, but it's a start at least.
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Some more good observations - if Desmond, Locke and Ekco survive then it would make sense that the Others would request a straight swap for the three "Leaders." Maybe we'll find out what makes the Others judge people as "good."
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« Reply #1611 on: July 12, 2006, 12:17:57 AM »
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Does this mean they're not guaranteed to be in the next series? ie they're not long for this world?

Possibly. Though Michael Emerson, Mira Furlan, Sam Anderson (Bernard) and the bird who plays Rose were all guest stars in season one/two, and they're still alive. So "guest star" status doesn't mean you're only in it short-term.

I'm still 99% sure that one of the producers (might have been Gregg Nations on thefuselage.com) accidentally slipped that he'd signed a full-time contract like.
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« Reply #1612 on: July 12, 2006, 12:23:15 AM »
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Does this mean they're not guaranteed to be in the next series? ie they're not long for this world?

Possibly. Though Michael Emerson, Mira Furlan, Sam Anderson (Bernard) and the bird who plays Rose were all guest stars in season one/two, and they're still alive. So "guest star" status doesn't mean you're only in it short-term.

I'm still 99% sure that one of the producers (might have been Gregg Nations on thefuselage.com) accidentally slipped that he'd signed a full-time contract like.

Yeah, just wondered why they'd made a big deal out of it only being a "guest star" contract.

Hoping for more of Mira Furlan in the new season, Danielle is one of the best and most intriguing characters I reckon.
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« Reply #1613 on: July 12, 2006, 09:50:26 PM »
Quote from: CaliMag on July 12, 2006, 12:16:14 AM
Some more good observations - if Desmond, Locke and Ekco survive then it would make sense that the Others would request a straight swap for the three "Leaders." Maybe we'll find out what makes the Others judge people as "good."

Yeah, I quite like that idea. Although, would you consider Sawyer and Kate as "leaders"? Someone like Sayid would have made more sense, since he certainly fits the description better than Sawyer, who if anything, is the anti-leader of the group.

The other question is still WHY didn't Zeke/Tom/Captain Birdseye take Sawyer, Jack, Kate AND Locke when he took their guns in "The Hunting Party"? The situation's obviously somehow changed since then, but in what way? It can't really have anything to do with Henry's experiences with the group, since he didn't have any kind of contact with the other "Others" when the list was made, so there has to be some kind of other contributive factor that we're all missing.

Nothing really makes sense at the moment. It all seems contradictory no matter which way you look at it.
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« Reply #1614 on: July 13, 2006, 12:53:32 PM »
A pretty good article from thetailsection:

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“LOST” did not deserve ANY major Emmy nominations.  Now, catch your breath;  don’t bother clearing your eyes or re-reading that sentence...  LOST did not deserve a major Nomination, period.

Why?  What amazes me most is that the fan base that spent the last season complaining about the inconsistency,  the emergence of formula,  the dead patches,  the staccato execution of the underlying plot, the repeats, the plot holes, and etc. etc. ad infinitum, need to wonder now why ‘LOST’ was not nominated in a major category this year.  The answer for me is, as it is for a lot of you, that the honeymoon is over.


Now let me back up a second.  I know I owe you an explanation for my point of view, and I will give it to you, but first I want to make sure I’m clear on one thing.  I thought season two as a whole was brilliant.  Flawed, but brilliant.  My advice to jaded viewers all season long was to wait for the end then look back on it as a whole.  “LOST” is a marathon, not a series of sprints like most dramas; you cannot reflect on an episode to episode basis because you are watching one long story unfold in pieces.


 Yes, yes, I know all the stuff about how at the heart of the show it is about people and characters and blah blah.  I know all that mumbo jumbo.  I don’t buy it, and that is part of why I don’t think they succeeded at a high enough level to get into a best show category, but I know people cling to it and I acknowledge it as part of the “LOST” phenomenon.   The story is more than just the sum of its parts.  On the other hand though,  this is a show about a situation;  a predicament that continues to change in very specific ways,  guided by forces with very specific intents, and set in a locale with extremely unique and specific properties.  At the end of the day,  or the end of the season, we need to ask ourselves if significant progress was made in these areas;  because without progress here, the season truly was a failure.  And the answer  to that question is a resounding yes.  So half of the battle was won.  But it just wasn’t enough…


Before I get into the failings of Season Two, let’s look at Season One.  Aside from the brilliant episodes, acting, and direction of Season One there was an extraordinary set of circumstances embedded in the genus of “LOST”.  “LOST” was not developed to be the show that it is, “LOST” began as a notion fostered by a high powered exec with enough power to shield his production crew from the meddling  that usually controls the creative energies at work in the development of a television show.  Instead,  highly creative individuals were thrown together with a very short amount of time, an unprecedented amount of money, a very bare concept, and total freedom.  We all know the result very well.


Most interesting about “LOST” was its constant “formula” bucking;  just when you thought you had it pegged the show slithered into new territory and kept twisting until viewers lost all sense of direction and just surrendered to the ride.  We wanted to know the answers…. What is the monster, what are the whispers,  will they escape, and of course WHAT IS IN THE HATCH!  To say the production team of season one had become experts at both introducing the disquieting twist and building anticipation would be the understatement of the decade.  “LOST”, season one, was a moving target creatively; as much for its own staff as its fans.  While it has been acknowledged in the most vague terms,  it all boils down to that the writers, actors, directors, etc,  only had the most rudimentary idea of where they were going and often times it was the speculation, kvetching, and theorizing of those in the back seat, us, that helped to shape the more rigid contours of the show.  In simpler terms,  it became about giving people what they wanted.


The summer of 2005 was hot for more reasons then just global warming.  The anticlimactic hatch opening of the season one finale put fans into a tailspin.  The expectation was that we would find out what was in the hatch,  but its significance would no be revealed until the new season.  Instead fans were left cold.   The scene which was intended to have that impact,  the kidnapping of Walt,  was completely muted in its significance by the question of what was down that deep, dark tunnel; and the answer became inextricably tied to the success of the show.  Aside from that,  criticism mounted that season one did nothing more than pose questions.  Skeptical critics began to “assign” a formula to the show; one where the writers sought to purposefully infuse the tale with enigmatic questions with no intent or plan to resolve them.


As a result, the talking points were passed around to cast and crew and everybody from Matthew Fox, Damon Lindelof, on down to the guy who duct tapes the cables together was parroting that “Season two is all about answering your questions.”


Season Two was not produced under the same free circumstances as season one.  When networks have a hit on their hands the pressure is on to sustain it.  And if there is negative buzz,  you can bet that pressure is going to be directed at silencing those critics.  It’s not that I think “LOST” didn’t have a responsibility to answer the questions;  but now, obviously, answering the questions had become part of the model.


With regards to how they did on this side of the challenge,  I would say pretty good.  Without a doubt, fans have absorbed the Dharma Initiative,  the others, Desmond (!), the hatches, the numbers, the Hanso foundation, and now four toed statues, ferries, and yet to be revealed locales as a part of the “LOST” universe.  It is an amazing achievement that they were able to take the characters and locations of season one and integrate them with this whole new show.  It really is a new show now.  Things have changed so much in terms of what motivates their survival, who their adversaries are, why they are there, who is there with them, where they are going, and what their chances of escape are that the entire dynamic has not just shifted… it’s been picked up and dropped in another place.  If this were done consistently, season two would have swept the nominations.  Which leads me to my point…


Lost season two became a conflicted show.  Part of the excellence of season one was not knowing where you were going.   Big beasts crashing through jungles arouses a “monster movie” sort of appeal.  Miracle healings, a spiritual message.  Big metal doors in the ground, a sci-fi element.  Disembodied whispers, a ghostly supernatural feel.  Among this, characters with mysterious pasts whose presents seem to be inextricably tied to the mistakes of yore.   Now they would resolve all of this,  but at the same time try to keep the “formula” of season one in effect.  And therein lays the problem.


In between the brilliantly laid out exposition of just what was going on with the island,  really just the tip of a much larger story itself,  there was a clear effort to maintain the character development at the pace and effectiveness of season one.   Somewhere along the line somebody decided that character development needed to be separated from story telling,  the results were episodes which dealt with the people and abandoned the underlying story.  These breaks were justified by the producers because at the end of the day, this is a show about people.  A completely inane concept that, in my opinion, cost the show a focus and direction that could have carried “LOST” into the record books and armed the naysayers who were just waiting for it to falter.


Let’s be honest with ourselves here,  when the focus switched to the people  we not only lost the rhythm of the story the show also became dangerously invested in its capacity to be a character drama.  Worse yet,  the mission seemed to be designed to continue to turn the characters away from what we knew of them in season one.  Who wants season one John Locke back?   Surely the guy who got the Emmy nom for playing him last year.  Terry O’Quinn himself has been quoted as saying he misses John Locke of season one.  The canned response is that Locke is going through changes.  But when people feel so disconnected from the character of season one that they refer to him as a different person,  is it really that person going through the changes?  We didn’t see Locke change.  We saw another persona dropped in his skin.  One that did not begin or arrive where the Locke of season one was taking us.  And I’m not Locke obsessed here,  I think the same is true for many of the characters.


Matthew Fox, whose career is doing just fine regardless, would probably have loved a rematch for the best actor nick-knack.   But he didn’t get it.  Why?  Maybe because you have to do more then peel onions every episode to show your depth.  Seriously,  just how many times did Jack cry this season?  The man needs a towel, not an Emmy.

What saves the show is the return to baseline of these characters in less “interpersonal” work, and the crop of newbies that have stuck like one of Locke’s bowies in the belly of a razor back.  In particular, the character of Desmond which brought a nom to actor Henry Ian Cusick.

The bottom-line,  season two was near greatness but interrupted by the attempt to “force” the magic of season one.  Yes, time has changed everything.  The freedom of the beginning is gone and will never be back.  There are executives to please.  The pressure was on to show continued innovation, but the transition to this new way of telling the story demanded that some facets be left behind.   Most shameful is the assumption that a “formula” had a role in the success of “LOST” to begin with.

For "LOST" to work its way back up to the top of the Emmy noms in 2007, they must return to the "no formula" story telling of season one.  That means attracting and holding onto writing talent like David Fury and Javier Grillo Marxuach instead of dumping them for inside players.
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« Reply #1615 on: July 15, 2006, 01:29:03 PM »
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    *  new 07/14 - Juliet, a woman in her mid-30s, will be added to the cast as a regular. Juliet is a natural leader and a smart and independant woman. One of her flashbacks (?) will involve her mother Amelia. During said falshback, the ladies will discuss burnt brownies and Juliet's love life. It seems that Juliet may be an Other. Jack is held alone in a room and Juliet looks at him, seperated from him with a glass window. Jack tries to break the chains that are holding him. Juliet tries to convince a pissed off Jack to trust her. Source: SpoilerFix.com [Note: It is unknown when those scenes will be seen and if they will be part of an episode.]

"Other" flashbacks early in the season? Very, very interesting.
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« Reply #1616 on: July 17, 2006, 12:12:59 PM »
Have any of you guys "aquired" the pilots for Jericho and Traveler yet? If not I suggest you do, both are going to be awesome.
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« Reply #1617 on: July 17, 2006, 05:02:38 PM »
I take it you don't mean this Jericho?

https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/newsstory.php/8818

Spill the beans Penry!!
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I ain't no number
I don't need no ID round my neck
So Mr Politician
I got born and named like blood runs red
Cause I, I aint no number
Don't require no ID round my neck
So Mr number maker
ID cards won't stop no hijacked jet

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« Reply #1618 on: July 17, 2006, 05:07:30 PM »
Dear god no! Jericho... End of the world disaster-drama from CBS.

Traveler is the better of the two, it's kinda like prison break without the prison. Or the break.
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"A guy goes nuts if he ain't got nobody. Don't make no difference who the guy is, long's he's with you. I tell ya, a guy gets too lonely an' he gets sick"

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I believe in joy!!
« Reply #1619 on: July 17, 2006, 05:19:07 PM »
Think you could use your ninja skills to pm me a link, please?
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I ain't no number
I don't need no ID round my neck
So Mr Politician
I got born and named like blood runs red
Cause I, I aint no number
Don't require no ID round my neck
So Mr number maker
ID cards won't stop no hijacked jet

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