Does Roeder Still Have Your Support? We Want Your Views So Write In!
By N.O On Mon 30 Oct 2006 |
With every dropped point, every defeat and every poor performance the pressure on Roeder rises and the discontent on the stands grow. Just 10 games in and many are already wondering just how long left Roeder has and while there hasn’t been any calls for his head (yet) there is much debate on this issue and some tough questions are being asked.
As ever at N.O we’d like you to write in with your considered thoughts on Roeder, our season, the issues surrounding the club and just where next for this frustrating team of ours.
Some questions being asked:
Are we too good to go down?
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
What happens if we are still down there come January?
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
What are your thoughts?
Use the below e-mail form to send in your views, we want pro-Roeder comments, anti-Roeder comments, we want fence sitters but most of all we want YOU to HAVE YOUR SAY - so write in and get your views published.
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Start with Luque every game, give the bloke a good long run, give him a decent chance to prove everyone wrong. Might as well with our current lack of strikers. Don’t see any point leaving him on the bench. Play him till his legs fall off.
I totally agree about the chairman, his time has come to an end. The buck stops with him, he appoints the managers, he signs the cheques. Really can’t see anything drastically improving until he’s gone. Have to say though, I really can’t see him leaving.
I don’t see much point binning Roeder either, who’s gonnna replace him?
Sent in on: November 2nd, 2006 at 12:25 pm
We do have some bad injuries, but as plenty people said about Souness, we can’t use that as an excuse. I think that there are still concerns over tactics. I think that all too often we’ve been watching games that are crying out for substitutions to be made, but they’re made too late on in the game to do any good.
On last season’s run of results, it has to be said, Roeder deserved a crack at the whip, but I think we’ve suffered from not being able to attract players this summer, and now things are looking pretty desperate, how long can we afford to wait for things to turn around?
I think Glenn is a decent bloke, I like him. He genuinely cares about the club. I remember him as a player when I was a kid, and he was very popular. I don’t think that he’s good enough - but I don’t want things to turn nasty for him.
BUT, if he is to go then the club have to have firm ideas about who is going to come in. Shepherd’s policy has been sack first, think later. This has to change.
Sent in on: November 2nd, 2006 at 9:17 am
Give Glenn time he has had a lot of injury worries, it is Freddy we need to get out, what has he brought to the club?
Sent in on: November 1st, 2006 at 8:38 pm
If Roeder were to be sacked would it really be the right decision?!
If you think about it, Freddy Shepherd would just wait for at least a month without a manager and he would then just appoint a 2nd class manager who has no experience of working with top class internationals.
If Freddy was smart he would appoint either King Kev again or Bobby Robson! People may laugh but anyone is better than what we have now.
P.S. Luque needs to start playing.
Sent in on: November 1st, 2006 at 10:03 am
Once again we are in a situation where by expectancy is clouding over reality. We are a mid table squad with dreams above our capabilities.
The rot has been in the squad since Sir Bobby’s last 18 months in charge. Every man and his dog knew we needed to rebuild the back four and find a long term replacement for Big Al. Ashton, Bent, Johnson were surely worth a punt ahead of untested foreign imports, and how many more chances will Carr, Babba and Bramble get?
We have slipped dramatically from Champions League contenders to InterToto hopefulls in 4 seasons, if the trend is not addressed just look at Leeds Utd.
Roeder though should not be sacked but given funds and support from the Fat Man at the top as well as time to turn it round, not quick panic fixes in January.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 1:50 pm
Roeder is the third manager in quick succession that the fans have turned on. Thankfully, many people are now cottoning on that the real problem is Shepherd and his way of running the club.
Let’s try a different strategy. Let’s back the manager and the team, and in the meantime campaign for a change of leadership in the Boardroom. Long term, that’s the only way.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Roeder last season rescued the club from total embarrassment, getting us to a half respectable 7th place and into Europe. This season the man has not got a clue.
In midfield he’s playing one of the best left wingers in England (Duff) at left back and leaving another benched (N’Zogbia). The pairing of Butt with Parker is not producing any forward movement or goals. Dyer will provide width but will no doubt be injured again before we know it.
In defence the continual playing of the hapless Bramble instead of Taylor is another joke, this shortage of capable and quality centre backs needs to be addressesed immmediately in January.
Up front Rodeor should be giving Luque a chance, the team couldn’t score any less with him playing. If he is to sit on the bench for the entirety of his Toon career then what was the point in buying him? Rossi looks like scoring when he is on the pitch, more than can be said for Siberski.
Give the boy a run in the team! Roeder signing Martins was another gamble, the money should have been invested in a proven goalscorer in the Premeirship or looking at players like Johnson and McCarthy who could do a job. The combined price of Johnson and McCarthy was 10.5 million, roughly the same price as Martins. They have scored 12 between them, Oba has put the ball in the net only once in the Premiership.
Glenn was a decent temporary manager but should not have been appointed in the summer. One look at what O’Neill is doing with average players at Villa is enough to make me cry.
A world class proven foreign manager or proven Brit should be installed if possible before it is too late!
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 1:12 pm
Glenn Roeder was never the right appointment. Freddie Shepherd went for the cheap option and got it wrong again. I don’t think this club can move forwards until we remove the cancer that is Mr Shepherd and the Hall family. The club needs new direction and leadership and only the fans can make it happen. I remember the demonstrations before Sir john Hall came in and that’s what we need again. I fear for the weekend. With Watford and Charlton playing at home I fear by the time we kick off Saturday evening we will be 2nd bottom and that is unacceptable for a team who 3 and a half years ago could well have won the league had we beat Man Utd here at home. I am gutted.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 10:26 am
Do you have enough faith that Fat Fred will get us the right manager?
Sacking managers at the rate we do does not make us an attractive option to any other managers out there, who in their right mind would want to come here and work for Fat Fred, he is the problem here not Roeder. I know its coming but I really hope we do not see Glenn leave the club totaly, he was doing a great job with the up and coming young players and that’s where he should go when all this comes to an end.
I like Glenn and no one can say that he did not save us last season, but he did more than just save us he got us into Europe and we owe him for that.
Will Fred line up a new man before sacking Roeder or will he do another Sir Bobby and just sack him then start looking. We could end up with Steve Bruce for gods sake. For now I will back Roeder because I do not see who we can get to replace him that will turn us around.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 9:58 am
Does Roeder still have my support? Roeder never had my suport because it was a very poor appointment that lacked forsight. He was never ever going to succeed at this club. Look what he did to Watford and West Ham, there are so many problems at NUFC and the main one is Shepherd. While he is the chairman we will never get a top quality manager and with second rate managers you get second rate players.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 9:12 am
There is some people saying don’t sack Roeder, someone said you have to wear your heart on your sleeve and support and follow the team no matter what, even if it is relegation! One guy even said dont sack Roeder - START PRAYING!
Well I’m sorry I don’t believe in God and I’m not a loser, because those are the words of losers and people who are admitting defeat. Roeder will never be a top manager, his man management skills are good but tactically he does not have a clue. Football is all about tactics and so far I haven’t seen any from him at all.
If this club wants to progress, Fat Freddy has to go and so does his hand puppet. What is the most worrying for me is comments I hear from West Ham supporters telling me of his freezing out of players, which is exactly what we are seeing with Luque.
And all these comments about patience and supporting the team, well I think we’ve been pretty patient already, should we have to watch our team struggle season after season, the answer is NO!
Time for change and that time is now.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 4:29 am
Ok, a few thoughts.
Roeder is and always was (as I have ranted before on this web-site) Shepherd’s puppet. He got the job as he was quite simply the only man who said yes. The only man who would let Shepherd pull the strings from above. I have a journalist friend who gets good “inside info” from the world of sport and I’m sure it will shock none of you to know that in the world of football Shepherd is seen as a complete turd and no self-respecting manager wants to work for him.
Ok, I admit. I hate Shepherd. But thats not what the debate is about. Although well-fed-Fred is certainly a factor.
I have nothing agaist Roeder personally but he just isn’t good enough. He’s like a poor mans Sven. Everything is 4-4-2. Always. There is no tactical thought going into our opponents. And the subtitutions? Always far too late… Whats the point of bringing on a player with 5 minutes to go when its too late for him to change things and the game’s already lost?
Quite simply, Roeders a nice guy but a crap manager.
But then this takes us back to Fred…. Who will the next manager be? When Roeder is inevitably fired after another few defeats, it will be another puppet. It will be the only person who said “yes” to the question “Will you allow me to completely dictate transfer policy?”.
The quick questions:
“Are we too good to go down?” - No!
“Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?” - No!
“What happens if we are still down there come January?” - What do you mean “If”? If Shepherd doesn’t sell Newcastle to someone who gives one, this is it.
“What are the alternatives to Roeder?” - If Sheperd stays - Hoddle? If he goes? Someone good!
“Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?” - This is all well-fed-Fred’s fault! He appointed Roeder. He controls the transfers.
“What are your thoughts?” (As I am now exiled in Sheffield and my fiance and all her family are Sheffield United fans) Please, please, please, please, please let us not humiliate ourselves against Sheffield United this Saturday. On a more general note its probably “unless Fred leaves were fucked”.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2006 at 12:02 am
I feel sorry for Glenn Roeder, however, I also have to dispair at his lack of tactical awareness. I always liked the man, however, he has fallen into the same trap as his predesessor. Roeder is trying to get a team full of attacking talent (albeit without the finishing touch) to play defensive tactics. It will quite simply never work, as a team we need to play to our strenghs and not our weaknesses.
We need to play a short passing game keeping the ball along the ground, appart from on the breaks, if teams run at us we need to nick possession and throw it straight back at them a-la Man U when Fergie first took over. Even without consistent strikers most teams in the Prem will sh*t themselves if we hit them with breaks and just run at them, the short passing play will frustrate most teams, especialy those with the most glamarous attacking talent.
It wont be pretty, and it wont be that entertaining, however, it will give us some points, and that is quite simply what we need until we get a fit Owen, and some decent centre halves/full backs in.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 11:23 pm
Honestly lads we are screwed. This is the worst I’ve seen us in years. We expect the world but the reality is this team does not show enough fight or desire to remain in the league. Add that to the bad luck (which with our spending record we bring entirely on ourselves) and the top down culture of mindlessness that rules the club we probably deserve to go down. We are badly run as a business and badly run on the pitch by a caretaker manager who has done nothing to prove he could even pass the tests for the qualifications hes still lacking.
When Shepherd appointed Roeder it was apparent to the world we are a joke. If getting relegated leads him to resignation and sacking Roeder then thank the lord, I’ll still be there supporting and buying my season ticket. We spend the right money in the wrong ways. We are the new Leeds and Shepherd’s the new Risdale. Wenger couldn’t lead us out of this period while serving Shepherd. If you’re reading Mr Wenger consider that an invitation to prove me wrong.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 11:02 pm
Shepherd has made many mistakes, but Roeder is easily the biggest of the lot.
£10 million for Martins was the first part of the Roeder suicide note that takes us down if we don’t rise against him.
Then there was the failure to get Ameobi to have his hip op, the signing of dud Bernard, the blanking of Luque, the continued playing of dud Bramble, the complete lack of tactics - I could go on and and on and on.
We must get rid of Roeder before this club goes the same way as what he did to Watford and West Ham.
It isn’t too late to change but it must be done quickly.
I hate to say it but as far as Roeder goes - defeat against Sheffield United could be a blessing in disguise.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
Wow, what a fantastic response people and thumbs up to all those who have e-mailed in so far. Keep them coming, many thanks.
N.O team.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Roeder is a genuine bloke with a feel for the club and it’s fans, but was destined to fail before the ink was dry on his contract. Why? His boss. I don’t care who was appointed manager, they would fail with Freddy Shepherd meddling in the background. Reoder may well soon be sacrificed, but whoever comes in as his replacement will have as much chance of success as he did. None.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 9:23 pm
Roeder should probably not have been made manager and his appointment was probably more about our being strapped for cash and lazy thinking than about the excellent run at the end of the season.
However, sacking him now would be lunacy. At this point, we’d get a total no-mark to replace him, probably can’t afford even his pay-off and we all know that the real problem - scandalous mismanagement at the top - won’t be solved by yet another sacking.
Support the team, support the manager, love the club.
Think of productive ways of lighting a fire under the current Board that doesn’t involve booing the team.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
There is no doubt Glenn Roeder did a fantastic job for the club after Souness got sacked but the conditions for him to do better than anyone expected were in place the moment Souness left. His sacking lifted everyone and all Roeder had to do was steer the ship through calm waters. I remember when Luque scored the 4th goal at the stadium of shite and turning to my mate and saying “the job’s Roeder’s now” and true enough he was appointed not long after, a knee jerk decision as its now proving to be. But that’s Fat Freddie all over.
Like others are saying Roeder should never have been appointed because he doesn’t have the skills for the job but he’s here now so we need to get right behind him, sing his name and remain positive and hope he turns it around which he might do, or he might not. If he doesn’t he’ll get the boot from the Fat One but we can’t be sacking him now because who would we get? The big names like Lippi and Hitzfeld are too big for us while the good home grown managers like Moyes, Allardyce and Hughes are all contracted to their clubs and we can’t afford to start splashing cash the balance sheets are saying we don’t have.
Curbs is available and he’s another good home grown manager but would he get more from the team than Roeder is doing and wouldn’t it be a gamble to hand him a new team down at the bottom, with lots of injuries and no money to spend until January. If we brought in Curbs and we were not out of it by January he would be under even more pressure than Roeder is now so we need to keep Roeder for now unless it becomes too risky and if that does happen, well we’re screwed.
Keep the faith!
Gaz
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
I think this is the worst Newcastle Untied team we have seen in a long while. Quite frankly we have no chance of qualifying for the CL and realistically the only eay we will qualify for the Uefa is to win either the Uefa cup or Carling cup this year or somehow get to the final of the Fa cup.
We will not however acheive the ambitions of the Geordie faithful with the current board that is in place, and the current managerial set up. It is time for Shepherd to say enough is enough and how far can I take this club and I think he will realise 2 CL qulification seasons and 2 Fa cup finals just about does it with the hundreds of millions of pounds he has handed over to managerial flops over the years.
Dont get me wrong, Roeder is a top guy, he’s been praised for being one of football’s genuine ‘nice guys’ but he does not have the ability, in my opinion, to regenerate the sleeping giants of sleeping giants that is Newcastle United. We are quite simply horrifically inconsistent just now mainly down to the persistent trust in the weak defence and the inability to score more than 2 goals a game.
I think the difference between Roeder and other good managers is that in the last 10-15 minutes or so, managers like Wenger and Mourinho and even Hitzfeld (who has been touted) can get that extra 5% out of the players to salvage a 1, or 2, or even 3-0 win from drawing 0-0. Under Roeder, it looks as if the players (who quite simply aren’t good enough) do not put in that extra % needed.
I think it’s time to admit we appointed the wrong man for such a big job, he should be congratulated for what he did last season but it’s time to put that aside, do what’s for the best of the club and appoint someone with experiance, trophies, discipline, and good tactics and a good transer record and I think the finger points to Ottmar Hitzfeld.
He’s who the fans wanted to succeed Souness and I think he would install belief as well as bring in players who he has worked with before who can get Newcastle up and back where they belong, challenging the top 4 and winning a lot more games at home and on the road. Well done Glenn, but not well enough. Bring in Hitzfeld!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
To be perfectly honest I don’t know where we go from here. Roeder is to tactics what Hitler was to diplomacy. He has a plan A and that’s it. On Saturday we couldn’t score for toffee thanks in the main to a winger playing up front, although he was out of position back in midfield for most of it, which resulted in Rossi been stranded up front on his own. The True Faith match report is spot on in saying that a Parker/Butt central midfield pairing simply does not work. The wingers are forced to hold the ball up as there is no support from midfield and the front 2 are midgets so won’t win any crosses. So there we were, desperately needing a goal and failing to find one against the worst team that’s been at St. James’ for some time and Roeder leaves his £10 million striker on the bench. He didn’t even tell him to warm up at any stage! So why was he even in the squad, let alone on the bench if he had no intention what so ever of playing him? I’ve only touched the surface with Roeder’s shortcomings as a manager but you get the drift.
Having said all the above you’d probably think I’d want him out now? Well, this is where I struggle with what is best for the club. The reason being is like many I simply don’t trust Shepherd to get the next appointment right either. Managers will hardly be clambering over themselves to get the job anyway despite what the Fat F**k will undoubtedly spout off to the media. So, in short, I think we’re screwed! I really can’t see a way out.
Obviously, if this form, results and bizarre team selections and tactics continue then Roeder must go. But what then? Shepherd is such an egotistical [insert suitable swear word] I can actually see him taking charge of team affairs himself! After all, in his little world he believes that the current problems are everyone else’s but his own!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
Glenn Roeder has not been provided with adequate resources to do the job effectively, and has effectively been handed ‘mission impossible’ by a failing, negligent and utterly unprofessional Board.
He accepted the poison chalice of managing us through the post-Shearer era, and clearing up the mess created by the Board’s last appalling appointment. In addition to losing Shearer and Owen, the squad Roeder inherited is defficient in both quality and depth despite all the money spent.
Despite all this, he appears to have the full support of the players, and in the current situation this is THE vital factor. The quality of our football has recently been improving, even though results do not as yet reflect that improvement. In addition, the new Assistant Manager seems to be bringing about an improvement in our defensive capabilities.
In this situation I believe it is essential that we, the fans, stay behind the Manager and the players. Another managerial change, with the players still supporting the incumbent, could backfire disastrously.
In addition, I personally now have zero confidence in the ability of our Board to attract a better candidate than Glenn Roeder - the time to do that was in the summer when outstanding candidates like Martin O’Neill and Ottmar Hitzfeld were available. They weren’t considered presumably because we no longer have the financial muscle to support the inevitable demands of such high-profile candidates. Instead we made the lazy appointment, one who could be hired inexpensively, and one who would not be overly demanding regarding transfer policy.
We are where we are, and now is not the time to be sacking a Manager who was dealt an extremely difficult hand, a fine person and a good coach who has the full support of the dressing room. What we need to do is get behind him and the team, and hope and prayer they can see us through this very difficult season with our PL status intact.
For us to have any chance wnatsoever in that quest, three or four experienced, quality players will need to be added to the existing squad to have any chance whatseover - and preferably not more “hollywood” signings!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
Are we too good to go down?
Honestly and in one word - no!
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
If this question was asked at the end of last season I would have said yes he is - you have to give this guy credit he saved us from the chaos Souness left us in, to drag that team up from where we were was a minor miracle - at this moment in time the poor bloke simply does not look the person to lead the Toon to the top half of the table.
What happens if we are still down there come January?
In short if we are still there in January we worry big style as at the minute it looks like the championship is going to greet us with open arms - I think if we are in this position come January Roeder (going by Shepherd’s past exploits) will be long gone.
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
Not many with big Freddy in charge, however the likes of Ranieri, Houllier or Curbishley would be good but perhaps not all ideal replacements - we need a major shift at board level to attract a decent manager who is in it for the long haul to bring back Champions League glory (or at least a trophy for the minute) to St. James’.
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
No he can’t be blamed for all of the current problems but he isn’t helping the situation in the slightest. Freddy and Roeder knew that Shearer was going and that our defence is a shambles especially with Bumble still playing. But Freddy would not give the funds - mind you when you look at what we have spent in the past you cannot blame him and Roeder did not look to have a great idea of what he wanted - the likes of bringing in Duff for £5 million was great and totally unexpected but to bring back Bernard who we have yet to see and Oba who seems as though he is nearer to 81 than 21 hasn’t been good. With regards to form he looks as though one game (notably Portsmouth) he can breath fire into the lads yet other games has lost the plot and let a five year old pick the team.
What are your thoughts?
If this continues we will be in the championship, not a doubt, and that will kill the club and cannot be allowed. It is time for Freddy to sell up and change the board, get a new manager and for the players to start realising that they aren’t paid just to prat about in expensive 4 wheel drives and live the life or riley, it is time for them to realise “hey the fans pay our wages, I play for a great club and I am going to give it my all and show why I should be here”. The Toon faithful don’t just want quality, we want results, we want trophies, we want Premiership Titles, we want other teams to fear playing against the Toon….. we EXPECT them!!!
Remember Roeder - remember Shepherd - The Fans EXPECT!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
I think Glenn should go. He was the cheap option. He has players playing out of position, even when he doesn’t need to! He can’t attact players. Has relegated every club he has managed. The guy obviously is in too deep. He should have gone back to the academy like he said he would. Now he has a problem, in that if he goes he can’t go back to academy, therefore he will hang on until he is pushed (knowing Freddy Shepherd, that will be the day after the transfer window closes)
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
Do NOT sack Roeder. That will just put even more pressure on us (like we always do in the past). Lets support the man, he seems a great bloke which has been extremely unlucky with injuries (as always!!). To lose Shearer and find the perfect replacement in Owen, and then for Owen to get injured when he is our new star striker is real tough to cope with. Martins is a great buy, extremely talented young player, but he will take time to adjust to the English league so we can’t expect too much from him till next season. I am personally getting worried, but what we can’t do is rub off extra unwanted pressure on our players, that will only make things worse.
All we can do is pray… pray we start winning, pray that Freddie Shepherd leaves, pray that Roeder starts playing the talented Luque and offloads that dumbass Bramble. I strongly believe that we are in this position strongly due to Shepherd not organising things properly e.g. Shearer’s replacement and Bramble’s lack of qualtiy. Mr Roeder, JUST BECAUSE BRAMBLE IS STRONG DOES NOT MAKE HIM A GOOD DEFENDER! PUT TAYLOR IN AND LUQUE IN NOW PLEEEEEASE!
Thanks
Keep the faith!!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 6:22 pm
Please, let’s give a manager time to settle and let him run this club for some years. No club that have won anything the last year have sacked that many managers as us. I wonder why…
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
Oh what to say. I too have alot of respect for what Roeder did for us last season but his lack of tactical ability worries me.
We should have had a double substitution against Charlton on the 70 minute mark with Luque/Milner on and Nobby/Butt (or even Duffers - he had enough chances in the second half) but Roeder just sits there looking like he hasnt a clue what to do. He then throws in Milner with 6 or 7 mins left??? What the hell is he gonna do???
I am totally distressed with the Luque situtation at the moment. Give the guy a chance. He scored a couple of thunderbolts for the Reserves and a goal for Basque and Glenn hasn’t even given him a proper run except a 5 minute cameo. Give him a chance, Roeder is always talking him up and so far he has bit his lip and trained hard. Have some faith in the lad, hopefully against Palermo, a more continental opponent.
I miss the days that Sir Bobby would make a double or triple substitution to turn the game on its head.
I think FFS needs to sell up and lets get Sir Bobby back as a Director of Football or someone of equal technical knowledge. We have to give Glenn Roeder a chance though.
The team played ok against Charlton but just couldn’t put it in the net but with the 19 year old Rossi trying too hard too score everytime he touched the ball and Duffers who couldn’t hit a hooker in a brothel with his right peg we never looked like scoring. We need patience just like we do as fans of this club.
Look at the Arsenal’s and Manchester United’s of this world, the managers are given time and from time to time they have a bad run. Lets give Glenn some more time, once some stars return and gain a little more depth in defence and attack we will be fine.
Midtable obscurity unfortunately this season!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
Are we too good to go down?
No - yes we have individual “superstars” but as a team are pitiful.
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
No, look at the big players - Chelsea, ARSENAL, Liverpool, Spurs - clubs that have won major TROPHIES. All gone foreign and are all receiving amazing benefits, the finest example being Arsene Wenger (Kolo Toure £250,000! Cesc Fabregas, Emmanuel Eboue etc. etc.)
What happens if we are still down there come January?
Action must be taken whether it is appointing a director of football or changing the management team once again.
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
There is only one who can take this football club forward and turn us into a respectable considerably talented CONSISTENT team - Mr. Ottmar Hitzfeld.
The problem we have is that personal relationships are taken into consideration too much - players receive too many chances. Do you really think that one of the most successsful managers in domestic football would settle for playing Titus Bramble, Babayaro and co. at the back. The defensive crisis would be sorted out instantly, and Hitzfeld has the profile to attract the biggest names in world football, probably starting with Jorge Andrade.
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
No, again focusing on the personal side, Roeder yes he did well, but was it the best long term solution? No. He was given a CHANCE. I am sorry but the time for chances is over now and a respected, intelligent and shrewd manager must be brought in.
What are your thoughts?
It is no coincidence when Arsene Wenger was asked who he would appoint to manage a football club he said the first list on the sheet would be Ottmar Hitzfeld. The man is organized, highly successful, makes effective decisions and has the experience of steering a top top DEMANDING, AMBITIOUS club to the biggest domestic and european honours.
I do like Glen Roeder, but some decisions (most notably not bringing on Luque against Charlton, sticking with Ameobi) are seriously questionable. I do not believe he has the profile or the experience to be handling such a massive club.
The takeover must happen and Hitzfeld must be approached immediately or my beloved Newcastle will be in serious trouble. It is no coincidence we have won no major honours for 50 years, we are simply not good enough and ambitious with our choices of senior personnel.
Shepherd out asap please.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:59 pm
Glenn Roeder has relegated West Ham and Watford. Mark my words he will relegate Newcastle United if we don’t peddle him now.
He has wasted £10 million on Martins, who spends more time “enjoying” himself off the pitch than he does in the opposition six-yard area. Heard the For Your Eyes Only tale yet? Ask why this complete dud is out injured now!
He puts Luque on the bench yet won’t play him. Tells journos the £10 million man will get a free transfer!
He signed Bernard who everyone in Scotland knew was totally washed up.
He has persisted in playing injured players I.E Harper, Ameobi etc.
Plays round pegs in square holes I.E Ramage or Duff at left back, Duff as a striker.
He failed to get Ameobi to have his hip injury this summer. Now he is shortly to be out for months.
He talks absolute shit and is totally uninspiring. “We played well, didn’t get the breaks,” (starting to sound like Souness).
Get rid now befor it is too late.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Are we too good to go down?
NO….Anyone can go down.
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
Tough one… I fucking hope so… he’s no good under pressure though.
If G.R was playing I’m sure he’d give 100%… trouble is he’s not playing… so let’s hope who ever pulls on the black n white stripes will give him & us 100%
What happens if we are still down there come January?
I’d hope to God we are not, but if we are….
I think G.R will be sacked…
I think confidence will be low, I think will be out of both cups & people will stay away from S.J.P
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
Apart from money grabbing average managers? I’d like Ottmar Hitzfeld at the Toon.
Talking of money grabbing average managers…
Does anyone think G.S took bungs on Boumsong?
At Rangers & then for the Toon…
I saw him & a blonde eating a shed load of food in Selfridges the other day….. and it’s not cheap food.
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
Certainly not.
I’ve read many times that F.F.S takes a look into every transfer deal.
How on earth did he sanction the money for Luque… a player who plays off the striker & is’nt really a striker when we desperately needed a striker.
I really hope he finds his chance on thursday… be just our luck for him to get damaged playing for the ressies tonight mind!
He really should have tried to hold onto young Chops too, if F.F.S is such ‘a proud Geordie’ and we had a home grown talent like Michael on our books you think he’d try & keep him with Shola for the L.W.S years
I hope he does well in Welsh Wales, maybe one day if he’s good enough he will wear the jersey again.
* L.W.S - life without Shearer
Cheers
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
This is a results business and whether you like the manager or not it is not happening for this club and when you get in the danger zone that is when the “stars” start hiding and you really are in trouble.
There is no disgrace in getting it wrong and Shepherd has on this occasion and instead of sacking the guy, use his strengths at the Academy.
As for Shepherd you don’t have to like him but he spends for this club, maybe too much. We are in the shit for 2 reasons, Souness and Owen. Truth is we could afford neither, at 17 Million we could have had Ashton, Beattie and Johnson - think about it.
To replace Roeder? Speak to Houllier who can at least vary a game and not get beaten and say nice things to the press about the fans. Forget being nice Glenn, get results and we will all be nice, but make it quick or we are down!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
There is no way NUFC are too good to go down. We need to get rid of Roeder now before it’s too late. He is not going to keep us in the Premier League the way we are playing and he is certainly not going to take us back to a Champions League position. There is no direction from the dugout during a game, he stands in the technical area looking confused. What signals does that give to the players. The club needs gutted from top to bottom and sooner rather than later. My shout would be Hitzfeld or Klinsmann.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Are we too good to go down?
We’re not too good to go down, but we might be saved by other teams who are just that little bit worse.
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
No. I keep going back to this point. What Glenn did for the club last season was as fantastic as it was unexpected. Dragging us to seventh and the UEFA Cup was a great surprise and one that I’m sure none of the fans thought possible but all are gratefull for. However Glenn achieved that under zero pressure, firstly because so little was expected of him and secondly because he was just caretaker for someone elses squad. His handling of the team up untill his appointment was made permanent was magnificent.
However this is now his team, his squad, and his neck on the line, and I don’t think he’s done anything since the job was secured that would breed any confidence from the fans. From the shambolic transfer window when the fans were continually told lies day after day, to his shamefull treatment of Albert Luque (which all appears to stem from the fact that the lad can’t speak English) to his total lack of tactics this term, he has looked like a fish out of water, caught in the headlights, with his trousers down. Not his fault, he can’t be blamed for not being the right man for the job. That must come down to the Fat one.
What happens if we are still down there come January?
We won’t have to wait long to see. Especially with the growing injury list. However I don’t hold out any hope of the transfer window improving things. Shepherd was reluctant to back his manager signifcantly in the summer, even after Glenn had performed the miracle of securing European football for Souness’ hapless squad. So he’s hardly going to throw cash at him in January if we’re still languishing. Much more likely he’ll wait untill February then sack Glenn and appoint Alan Curbishly to save us from relegation. Which he will given some of the talent we do have in the squad.
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
There aren’t any because nobody will work under Shepherd. That’s why we got lumbered with Souness and Roeder in the first place. We were promissed last time that the top names in football were applying for the job. Yet we settle for our academy coach? As I’ve said I’m the first to praise what Glenn achieved at the end of last season but imagine he’d have taken over at Fulham and guided them to seventh whilst we stuck with Souness till the end of the season before giving him his papers. Then based on what Glenn had achieved getting Fulham to seventh replaced Souness with him? We’d have been up in arms. Our only hope is that Shepherd is on his way out and we can get some stability and start planning for the long term with a manager and a board room that we all have some confidence in.
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
It’s a partnership, him and Shepherd. They’re both to blame for what didn’t happen in the summer, so they’re both to blame for what isn’t happening now. Both parties need to go for any long term improvement in our fortunes.
What are your thoughts?
Although I do think we seriously need to get rid of Glenn Roeder, that will only be a short term solution if Freddy doesn’t join him on his way, since FFS wants to much controll over the team for us to get a seriously top level manager. What I really want is not Champions League football or a trophy of sopme sort. What I want is what Aston Villa fans now have, or Blackburn or Bolton. I want to believe that we have competent people running our football club, who are working on a sensible long term plan to build our team up and drive the club forwards.
I don’t think anybody has that confidence in the current regime. I could handle the defeats and the dissapointments (I’m a Newcastle fan for Gods sake) if I genuinely thought there was some light at the end of the tunnell.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Talk about leading the witness!!! Just phrase the question so it’s easier to say - no I don’t support him!!! At the end of the day the reason we didn’t batter Charlton is because we’ve just lost two of the greatest strikers England has ever producded. If either Shearer or Owen had been playing then we would’ve won comfortably. The fact that neither of them were available is not Glenn Roeder’s fault. The fact that there wasn’t any money in the summer to buy another striker wasn’t his fault either.
I can see why people want to see the back of Shepherd. The fact that we weren’t prepared for Shearer’s retirement is probably down to him. The fact that Souness wasted our money on Luque might be his fault as well. But sacking Roeder won’t solve our shortage of strikers.
Roeder still has my support. He’s doing a good job under difficult circumstances and sacking him would serve no purpose whatsever. How can you blame a man for a squad he didn’t build and didn’t have the funds to strengthen?!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Are we too good to go down?
With current manager & board no we certainly ain’t… and if something doesn’t change very soon we will be DOWN.
Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
NO. Lets face it anyone could have improved on Souness, he did that and got us in 7th (cheers) and he should have went back to the youth team.
What happens if we are still down there come January?
He will get sacked, the board will once again blame the manager this time for the relegation fight.
What are the alternatives to Roeder?
With the current board, we could look at anyone who will be brought in on the cheap but they can waste money i.e. a manager who is at a club but is on a crap contract.
Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
It is mainly the board’s fault, however it is also his fault for wanting the job after he said he didn’t, then deciding he was doing well so he would like it… But the Board is to blame for getting another 3rd rate manager in.
What are your thoughts?
Hmm… every day that goes by I’m getting less and less botherd to check websites, newspapers, Sky Sports about Newcastle as it just ain’t worth it anymore, they say the same damn thing over and over again.
The club is just full of idiots, and it needs a serious clean out from board right up to the tea lady.
GET RID OF THE WHOLE LOT!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
We’re talking about being in a relegation dog fight here but this is ridiculous. I do think we are too good to go down, and we are too good to go down but to even be associated with the drop is sad for such a great club. The man I blame is Graeme Souness who spent all our money.
Personally I think Roeder is a top guy but not a top manager. Is there any coincedence the only job he could get at the start of last season was as Academy Manager at Newcastle… no coincedence I am sorry to say.
That saying, we need Shepherd out too, hes a greedy man, and while I don’t question his loyalty to the Toon I question some of his motives for staying in charge and certainly his decisions are shocking.
As for what we can do, we need major investment in both January and next summmer trying to attract the likes of Lucas Neill, Wayne Bridge, Wes Brown, Roberto Ayala, Kevin Nolan, Joey Barton, Aldo Duscher, Dave Nugent amongst others to come to this cursed club. We also need to clear out the rubbish that is Titus, Carr, Babayaro, Emre, and even Oba… though I am willing to give him a season.
There are great alternatives, but I am certain we should go foreign. I was desperate for Ottmar Hitzfeld to succeed Souness and I haven’t changed my mind, he would bring discipline and tactics with which whe have lacked for so many years. Alternatively I would love a manager who would play a similar brand as KK, and with Rangers struggling Paul le Guen could be a good shout.
Well lets keep supporting the lads, C’mon the Toon!!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
I think he’s a good manager but it’s our defence, they cost managers their jobs. We need to get in someone like Ledley King for our defence I reckon.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
How about Marcelo Lippi, the team manager who is a known for winning things…
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Shepherd is to blame for everything. Roeder’s mistake was to take a job he knew he couldn’t do. He is a awful manager. He picks the wrong team, leaves subs too late and doesn’t change tactics. He played Solano against Charlton when he couldn’t be expected to last having played the full game against Portsmouth and then replaced him with a like for like Milner after 83 minutes. His treatment of Luque makes him look like a six year old. Freddy appointed him. No one decent will take the job while Freddy is there.
Freddy out!
No manager is going to come and work for Freddy Shepherd.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
We all bleed black and white, and in times like this we need to be United! This is a poor start to the season, but for once we should all get behind the players and the manager! It’ll be a hard match on Thursday against Palermo, but let’s give 110% support to the lads on Thursday and on Saturday at home to Sheffield Utd and lets get out of this mess!
Haway the lads!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
Another point regarding alternatives to Roeder. It doesn’t matter what we think because Shepherd will get it wrong again. We have to make sure that Roeder is his last appointment and get him out as well. Shepherd’s “Geordie nation” mentality has been holding us back for too long now. My choices to replace Roeder would be, in no particular order:
Houllier
Sven
Hitzfeld
Scolari
Curbishley
Freddy Shepherd would probably be thinking something like this:
Shearer (try and pursuade him to come back)
Lee Clark
Steve Bruce
Jimmy Nail
Shepherd can go now and take his “Geordie nation” crap with him. It has been one wrong decision after another. If he got the appointment right after Bobby Robson we would be in a healthy position, but he didn’t. He eventually sacked Souness but got the next appointment wrong, again. World Class manager? Top 8 club job in the world? SHEPHERD OUT! ROEDER OUT!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:28 pm
Roeder said that he was happy with the performance and couldn’t ask for any more of the players. For that alone, he doesn’t deserve to be in the job any longer.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
My problem with Roeder is that he is not good enough to manage Newcastle. He could be a good training groud coach but as a manager he does not have what it takes. He cannot read games and make the desired changes. He says the nice things but that is not what makes clubs successful. He can be made the football director if the club insist on keeping him, but as a tactician he just cannot take the club forward.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Unfortunetly he’s really got what we can call ‘lack of experience’, how come he doesn’t give Luque a chance when he’s got no strikers against Charlton and we were desperate for a goal!!!!
If he thinks about these little mistakes and develops his abilites, he’ll gain my full support, it will be harsh if we sack him because we’ve got a very bad reputation in that respect.
So all NUFC need now is: Stick with Roeder, bring him a Director of Football, let him realise that he’s playing in 4 competitions this season so key players need to be rested, Luque and yongesters deserve their chances, bring in 2 good defenders and get rid of Bramble!!!!!!
Thanks!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
We WILL go down make no mistake about that under Roeder, the man’s no good and don’t go dreaming that Shearer will replace him, I doubt Shearer will ever become manager of the Toon while we are in this state, the man is a Legend, he’s written his name in numerous record books and rightly so, does anyone truely belive he will put all his hard work on the line, I doubt it. The answer is Hitzfeld - make him an offer he can’t refuse Freddie. And finally yes Roeder is to blame for this mess, I know a lot of people will blame Freddie but he does’t pick the team, the only thing I blame Freddie for is not telling his manager to play Luque the forgotten man. Yes we probably will go down. Thanks Mr Roeder.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Glenn Roeder is a god motivator, a guy who gives the fans and players want they want to hear, but as far as managment goes, he is not Newcastle worthy (unless he improves himself).
Answers to those questions:
- Are we too good to go down?
No team in the world is too good to go down, ask Betis, Leeds, and many other examples, it is simple,you win, you get titles, you lose, you meet an old rival from the past (sunderland).
- Is Roeder good enough to get us out of this mess?
Well, he is the one who got us into this mess, so unless he gets us out of it he will be treated just like Souness, as a guy who never listens to the fans, play the wrong players, makes the wrong decisons every game, etc.
- What happens if we are still down there come January?
IF,we are still down there, Roeder won’t last till January, I think he only got 3 or 4 more games to be tested in, after that it’s byebye (in case he loses), or he might prove us wrong and actually manages to win 3 out of 4 games (or, at least have a good run).
- What are the alternatives to Roeder?
1- Curbshley
2- Kevin Keegan
3- John Carver
4- Graham Souness - just kidding
5- Others
- Is it Roeder’s fault, can he really be blamed for this?
Of course, after all, he is the one who refused to buy defenders (Sol Campell, too old), (Woodgate, too injurey prone), (Robert Huth, no reason), also, he is the one that refueses to play good players such as Luque, Taylor, and others and plays Shola Ameobi and Titus Bramble as first team players for example!
- What are your thoughts?
Relegation, unless Roeder changes his mentality.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Sheesh. I get embarrassed to be black and white sometimes. Yes, this is a crap start to the season, yes we all think we can do a better job than whoever is in charge at the time - but just for once we should provide support instead of jumping on the backs of all and sundry as soon as things take a downturn. Patience is a virtue unheard of on Tyneside, and it’s time we learned.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
Hi there,
I’m a West Ham fan and whilst we’re not having a great season either, I think we’ll pull out of it. With Roeder its different though, as speaking from experience the guy just can’t handle the Premier League. Keeping hold of him is not the answer - we made that mistake, don’t do the same!
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
1 - No we aren’t too good to go down, we may have some big names but we are conceding and not scoring which is what relegates you.
2 - No, he has shown in the past that he is not up to winning a relegation battle, he has no tactics and no man management skills. We see him as a nice guy and I’m sure he is but what we see with his treatment of Luque is so similar to Di Canio’s treatment who had a massive ego whereas Luque doesn’t seem at all proud.
3 - Unless we change the board and manager and buy good players we will have to rely on teams being worse than us which is hard, remember we will not have Rossi soon and no doubt there will be more injuries after the busy periods coming up.
4 - Roeder’s alternatives are abroad. We need to apoint a foreign coach as the Premiership is becoming foreign orientated. I especially think that the Lille manager is good.
5 - I have felt sorry for Roeder in the past with him inheriting the Souness mess, but he accepted it when he could have left as a hero after last season as caretaker, also his awful treatment of Luque doesn’t make a good impression.
6 - Lastly I believe we as supporters should start fighting the club we love and stop accepting mistake after mistake, if we are a big club with a big tradition and sense of region, where we want the club to be at the heart of it all as it should be we should act like the Barca supporters have always done, wave hankies at the manager and chairman and also accept responsiblity for our inactiveness.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
If Roeder stays, we WILL go down. He is simply a crap manager, who has got relegated before with arguably the best team to do so. What scared me most was the last half hour against Charlton, the team completely ran out of ideas and Roeder had no answer through subs or tactics of any sort. We were reduced to long, hopeful balls up the pitch and Charlton could have won it at the end themselves. This is happening too often to be put down to luck, injuries or anything else. Roeder must go now and take that bufoon Shepherd with him.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Personally I believe that the buck stops with Freddy Shepherd, he appointed Glenn after he did well last season, then he bought a couple of players for him (even though they weren’t required) he didn’t strengthen the areas we needed to and therefore we don’t have enough options available to change things when they aren’t going right.
However, Glenn Roeder, in my opinion, doesent change things (where he can) until it’s too late, he suffers from Bobby Robson disease and waits till the last 5 minutes before panicking and changing things, this is his only fault for me other than he is tactically inept, and limited with his ideas to change formations, admittedly this is due to a distinct lack of quality left at the club.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Of course Roeder still gets my backing, it’s Shepherd who should get the stick, he’s his man at the helm. For too long NUFC fans have jumped on the manager and the board have gotten away scot free, until now. About time everyone woke up and took notice of the way NUFC is run. And there is none worse than the Keegan-ites for burying their head in the sand and those are the one’s who will probably fuck off once the shit starts hitting the fan properly. And good riddance. And take the fuckin ultras with you. Wankers.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
No team is too good to go down (ask Forest, Leeds or Sheff Weds). Ability wise on paper we are comfortably upper mid table. It does appear however that the players lack the fight and direction. I knew we would miss Shearer’s goals, but I underestimated the impact his departure would have on the stomach of the team.
As to whether Roeder can get us out of this, no I don’t. He’s an unfortunate by-product of the club in general over the past 3 years. No ambition, no direction and no clue. He’s part of the problem, and isn’t part of the solution.
Who should come in? For all his tactical nous or lack of, KK is the type of character we need right now, someone to stoke the fire in the belly and bring a feelgood factor back to the club. Not saying KK is the man (there’s a good argument for never going back) and there is a big void of similar candidates out there.
To be perfectly honest I’m stuck for an answer to this, we’ve fallen so far in the last few years that its pointless looking too high for a candidate, we’d be lucky to get a Ranieri now, to be perfectly honest I would be over the moon with Houllier but why would he come?
The sooner the takeover is sorted one way or another and we have a degree of stability the better.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
1 - Are we too good to go down ? - No, how can we be, we are 17th on current form !!!
2 - Is Roeder good enough etc.? - No, sadly no.
3 - If we are there in December we are gone.
4 - Alternatives to Glenn, absolutely no idea, any great manager would baulk at coming to St. James’ due to instability we always seem to have.
5 - Roeder is partly at fault, but looking at summer targets, Woody got away, Huth likewise, we were asked by Sol to sign him, so no fee just wages and even though we are woeful at the back we said no and he’s been fantastic at Pompey since he went there.
We NEEDED a couple of defenders and a couple or more strikers (why on earth did we allow Chopra to go, he’d have more than paid us back with goals this season, all for a 2 year contract), ok we got Obafemi then panicked and got Sibierski on deadline day but we needed more and still do.
I hope I’m wrong but I just feel the board will back Glenn (unlike previous managers who we were struggling with) and he’ll take us down.
The sad thing is he is a great man but tactically he makes changes too late to affect games and never seems to have a plan B when things go wrong.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
I think the appointment of Roeder was a huge mistake. His pedigree isn’t any good and his experience limited. He seems a canny bloke, but a canny bloke who will get us relegated! I’ve always thought Roeder’s appointment was temporary until the right man comes along, lets hope Fat Fred has called him and he’s galloping his way toward the Toon on a white charger to save the day.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Glenn has had some serious injuries that would deplete any team. Having said that we must have one of the strongest midfield’s in the country, but our achilles heel wasn’t addressed during the transfer window, and until our defence is reinforced then we will always drop points. We won’t go down, we are too good for that and I think we will still finish in the top half of the table. Soon Dyer, Martins and Sibierski will return and hopefully before the end of the season Owen will be back.
We have a class team, trouble is we always seem to have a huge injury list!
Sack Roeder no, for once lets support our manager and turn this season around.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2006 at 2:25 pm