Your Shout: Reading 1-0 Newcastle - Have Your Say
By Jonny Hall On Mon 30 Apr 2007 |
Outplayed, outclassed and outfought; Newcastle United crashed and burned again at Reading on Monday night as they conceded defeat in a game that they could again have easily won by half time.
The biggest news was the return to the starting lineup of Michael Owen who played the full 95 minutes due to the injuries of Antoine Sibierski (suspected broken arm) and Emre (ankle injury) in the second half.
What are your views on the game? Who played well? who didn’t? Should Roeder still be manager in the morning? Is Owen the answer to our problems? What about Ameobi? Give us all your views and more; we want to hear from you.
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Yes, Houllier might be a good choice if Roeder is asked to go. It would be good to see Shearer as assistant for now, though I wouldn’t necessarily want to see Pearson pushed out.
I hope we either play brilliantly in our last two matches and for it to be the start of a better era under GR, or for us to make a management change if we perform badly. Anything but mediocre performances and soldiering on really!
Sent in on: May 2nd, 2007 at 9:27 pm
when Roeder goes and it is when not if,we must make the right choice I’m no great fan of Allardyce I dont like Bolton’s style of play, my choice would have been Hiddink or Van Gaal but the latter has just signed a new contract and we r not going to the first, I would go for Houllier at Lyon he would organise us properly make us difficult to beat won plenty of trophies at Liverpool, lets try European for a change.
gareth
new hartley mag
chairman
Sent in on: May 2nd, 2007 at 6:50 pm
azza jones you are mistaken
lets say u were in charge of bolton a couple seasons back. you had limited funds but could offer premier league football. firstly you would not be able to buy young expensive british talent, secondly your global scouting network has yet to deliver results for promising young players, thirdly you cannot afford proven quality so last choice; sign up ‘washed up hasbeen’s’ and make them effective again. what did sam do and well? signed up old veterans and made them effective result producing footballers!!! imagine what he could do with players of real calibre who have many years ahead of them???
If you actually watch Bolton they player good football a lot of the time. And yes they are fantastic at set pieces but were truly awful at them!?!? Personally i’d take a 2-0 win where all our goals were headers or scrabby goals from free-kicks if were playing entertaining stuff alongside it.
Big Sam adapted his ambitions to fit his circumstances. At newcastle he would have much more money to work his ideas around, and with his track record i think he deserves a lot more respect. I mean look at what he’s done with Bolton for god’s sake and look at what we’ve achieved over a similar length of time???
And maybe he wouldn’t squander resources like previous managers. Plus he’s into all kinds of different sport’s therapies such as yoga, pilates, nutrition experts, pyschotherapy, performance analysis and lifestyle management. Look at what Gary Speed is managing to do with his career!?
Personally i want Roeder out and Big Sam isn’t my favourite option but i know he would do a very good job if he were ever to get the job.
Sent in on: May 2nd, 2007 at 5:12 am
Big Sam is a muppet who plays long style direct one football. Im just as sick as everyone else but Big Sam gimme a break.
We definately need a change but not in that direction. He has a policy of recruiting older foreign players who might do the job short term but bolton are never going to be a top 4 club.
Why are there so many fickle Newcastle Fans…..
I agree Roeder is not the man I say bring back SIR BOBBY ROBSON as Director of football and appoint a young manager like Shearer or Gary Speed (oh shit bolton just snapped him up)
Sent in on: May 2nd, 2007 at 3:01 am
p.s - IF we did have a change though, I certainly hope we don’t get Sven! I’d rather Roeder remained than that.
Big Sam would be great, yes, though maybe it’s all a long shot at this stage?
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 11:50 pm
I thought Milner was one of the few bright spots. Even when he isn’t at his best, he’s always lively. Owen did fine for his first game back too,
But the performance became limp and directionless, and the 4-4-3 formation a mess.
I like GR in many ways, but I almost feel as if the players want a new management era, as many fans do. I’d like to see Roeder stay on but in a background role. Anyway, hopefully many of us will be proved wrong. And he has done more good things than Souness ever did, even if we do contantly underperform.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Dyer was an absolute disgrace. He gets afew goals when he comes back but then constantly makes the wroing decisions. I can’t beleive he was selected as captain, that should have been Tayls. GR HAS to go. if this is truly a fans club, then lets have him out. He will NOT take us forward, he does NOT have the tactical ability to win. You look at other managers in the premiership and whether they are in the top 4 or not you know they are winners with their attitude (O’Neill, Coppell, Warnock, Mourinho, Ferguson etc.) he just doesn’;t have it!!
Our players wages must have been triple those of Readings yet they had us all over like so many teams this season!!
I will not be renewing my season ticket as long as GR is in charge.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 10:03 pm
yes dyer was a joke but which idiot gave him the capts armband ahead of NOBBY, TAYLOR AND OWEN yes answers on a post card please…………..Mr Glenn Roeder just about sums my view of him as a manager up.
gareth
new hartley mags
chairman
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Glenn Roeder is not and never was the right man to take this great club forward.
The man is constantly outclassed by his opposing manager when it comes to tactics and only seems to know three formations 4-4-2, 4-5-1 and 4-3-3, but does not know how to utilize the players he has to fill the roles required for such formations.
A blind man could have seen that we needed width last night against Reading because they were killing us in midfield, Milner should have been stuck out wide and N’Zogbia should have been on the other side, but instead we get a diamond shape midfield and they ended up getting in each others way all night.
Roeder was outclassed by an organised team with a plan, which he has never had since he took over, and after realising he was outclassed he and Nigel Pearson slumped back into their seats showing no passion at all.
Glenn Roeder has not taken the club a single step forward since he took over and the only good thing to come out of his reign are Oba Martins goals.
Everyone could see we needed work on our defence last season and many seasons before that dating back to the Keegan days but nothing was done, instead we spent all our time and money trying to sign Martins, and ignored the defence.
Allardyce would not have stood for the premadonnas on the pitch last night, and making Keiron Dyer captian was just a kick in the nuts to all newcastle fans.
Get him out before we go any further backwards.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pm
OK let’s look at the positives.
We were far and away the better side for the first 30 minutes and were unlucky not to be one or two up at half time.
Milner was clearly the best player on the pitch - even showing off a some C Ronaldo style stepovers on one occasion before making an excellent cross from the left.
Steven Taylor had a great game.
Titus passed the ball to one of their strikers 10 minutes before the end (of course) but got away with it this time.
Owen didn’t get crocked.
But apart from that… what a pile of shite.
Oh, and £38 for a crap pitch-level seat and rubbish facilities - this is supposed to be a new stadium!
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Any of the following would be better than Roeder:
Sven, Big Sam Allardyce, Zippie from Rainbow, my pet dog.
The tactical knowledge of a spoon, The motivational abilities of a biro.
At least Souness had a history of trophies….
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Glenn Roeder is an appalling manager. That is my personal view. The Geordies deserve much better.
Newcastle is a fantastic club with a phenomenal support. They also have excellent players in their ranks but you can see by the way they set their stall out, their shape, their tactics, their motivation, their will to win, their style of play that something is seriously lacking in the managerial department.
Glenn Roeder managed to relegate the strongest line up to ever go down in football history when he slumped down the table with the Hammers.
Newcastle fans should be worried. Roeder could get the current Manchester United line up relegated…..
The sooner the Magpies are rid of their incompetent manager the sooner they can progress. A good boss with their current playing staff could get them back on the fringes of Champions Leage qualification and with a little more investment across their back line could potentially make the top 4. However they are making a mistake with Sidwell because he is simply not a top 4 midfielder. Top 10 he is but top 4 he certainly isn’t. Another possible Roeder mistake to come.
You could see when they were warming up what talented, athletic players they have. During the game, you could see the quality and slickness of some of their passing and the excellent control and class the Geordie boys clearly possess. But they don’t do anything with their class and that is the managers fault.
They had 3 pacey forwards in Martins, Owen and Dyer from midfield but not once did they get in behind us or stretch our defence or run us ragged…….. Why not? What a waste of talented players. Roeder is not using the talents within his squad to maximum effect. Dyer can be such a dangerous player.. Why weren’t they playing to his strengths.
Newcastle could be great but with Roeder they will never amount to anything. As a friend of the Geordie fans I advise them to get rid of Roeder ASAP. But don’t even think about trying to entice Coppell. Coppell loves it at Reading and Reading is the right type of club for the ace manager. The Geordies job is too pressurising and the Geordie fans expect so much. Coppell doesn’t like thousands of people questioning his every move and decision. Coppell needs to be left alone and be allowed to do his job. Newcastle will never be the right club for our top boss.
Sam Allardyce might be a good bet though. His style of play probably won’t please the fans but he will take advantage of all the talent within the playing squad.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pm
What a shambles against Reading, we started off okay but quickly degenerated. The team looks completely demotivated and apart from Given, Harper, Taylor, Salano, Parker, Butt, Ameobi, Milner & Owen the rest can pack their bags and go. I am not sure that Sam Alladyce is the answer but he is better than what we have. The club needs a massive shake up fom top to bottom. We should be a top 4 side never mind top 6 & with that lot 11 miles down the road looking like the might make a better fist of the premier league this time around we really need to get our act together.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Nigel Pearson’s body language last night, said everything most of us already knew. We are going precisely nowhere with these clowns at the helm. He and Gentleman Glen are in so far over their heads it’s embarrassing.
I don’t really believe Jowl Man Sam, is the answer but concede that he would be an improvement on what we have at the moment but lets face it La La, Po and Tinky Winky could do a better job.
Don’t get me started about Forest Gump AKA Kieron Dire, 80K a week for that piece of crud?
Run Forest Run, right out of the ground and don’t stop running until you get back to Ipswich.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:25 pm
I think we did okay really, at least the stats would back that up, having more possession and more shots on goal. We had several key midfielders out so I think it was nesesary to play that attacking and direct. I think it was a big change though and the players didn’t adapt very well. Having said that we lost two players to injury and had two very rusty (Owen being the exception!) strikers on the pitch, and to be fair if we had taken our chances we would have won comfortably so Roeder isn’t to blame. The players should look at themselves and learn from this. But no-one can really expect too much from Ameobi and Owen until they get going. Disapointed but not disheartened.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:05 pm
We were fine in the 1st half & then Roeder did his thing in the dressing room & the team never turned up for the 2nd half.
I’m sad for Roeder, I wanted him to succeed when he was given the chance (a chance I didn’t think he should have been given) & have felt since his appointment that he’s not that far from getting it right. But with every month that’s passed since Christmas, the team has suffered more & more. Sorry Glen, you’ve got to go.
Out Fred
Out Glen
In Sam (I can’t believe I’m saying that)
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 10:16 am
Absoloute shite.
kieron dyer was a disgrace, not just for the goal but his all round sloppy and lethargic attitude( defianately playing for a transfer) let him go now.
milner was good i thought as was owen and taylor done no wrong, but the rest were abysmal.
tactically we were poor, at one point we had 3 defenders playing then the rest were just randomnly all over the place.
and theres no way on earth that they are playing for roeder!!
still captain scotty will be back saturday, sliding around on his arse for a cheap roar from the crowd.
the whole club is a mess!!!
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 7:53 am
All i can say is another loss on the road and another disapointing result
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 6:28 am
Roedor = OUT!
Fat Fred = OUT!
Big Sam = IN!
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 4:26 am
Ultimately Freddie is responsible for our current predicament. Though tonight further beat down my opinion of Roeder by several more notches. 4-3-3? Clearly he was off he head on smack when he made that decision! Dyer being closer to Bramble and Taylor rather then Owen and Martins? And Captain? Bramble?
Bramble - How can this individual go from dominating one of the world’s best strikers in Drogba 8 days ago to struggling against Dave friggin Kitson (no disrespect). It’s clearly embarassing and he will deffo be off in the summer (i hope)
Why was Owen on the flanks or anywhere else except the bloody penalty box?
I spotted all these tactical errors yet Roeder was apparently incapable of doing the same!?!?
New Board and a New Manager
Big Sam would be my choice, i don’t want to hear tosh about his style. Ultimately Bolton are consistently achieving on resources a quarter of what we have!!! And i recall reading that he actually prefers pretty football it’s just at Bolton with the players avaliable he had to adapt…I think this show’s what a shrewd operator he really is
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 2:05 am
I don’t think any manager could have produced a better result from this side. And much as I am disgusted with Titus Bramble (and increasingly Kieron Dyer), I think it’s the team as a whole that’s rubbish. There are some fine individuals, but for whatever reason (maybe the manager? lack of playing time together because of injuries? no consistent first team?) the whole is decidedly less than the sum of the parts.
But certainly no manager could do any better than Roeder with a team that makes weak half-assed passes at midfield to turn it over four times in the second half.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:58 am
Basicaly i am sick of newcastle and wasting my time because we have the same problems time and time again yet they are NEVER addressed.
Dyer, what appaling for 80,000 a week and to be as inconsistant as him is a discrace not only that but is suposidly favortie position he is even worse.
Although it wont happen, i hope to god freddy sees sense and apoints Big Sam, as roeder means well but simply isnt good enough full stop. sacking managers is bad etc but Roeder isnt good enough and must be replaced with a decent one.
Ameobi is just a joke he is 25-26 now and is not producing the goods, he is a decent backup player nothing more.
so disapointed i feel sorry for Owen, having to play in such a pathetic, ” i dont give a shit team “
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:33 am
Roeder seems to be making the right transfers but at the moment seems to lack the killing tactics to win games, im hoping next season we can start picking up decent results on a more regular occassion.
I thought Owen did well in first half because he actually got some service, more of the through balls to him should be played to either martins or owen. I think Reading did come out second half to defend deep to stop those through balls though then all was happening is the ball was booted pointlessly forward so we ended up coming out pointless in the game.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:31 am
i cant see how roeder will have the appeal to sign decent players (especially defenders) for next season
he always says the right things in the media about newcastle need to focus on its youth system, how we have a losing culture that is not acceptable but that means squat if u get your team to play a style of football that doesnt suit the attacking instincts of a owen or martins (who was nonexistent today)
fact of the matter is our defence once again cost us the game with dyer’s turnover (his 2nd in the space of 2mins) and the back 4 out of position forcing solano (who positionly is a terrible defender - but better than carr) to second guess himself
really disappointed i havent seen n’zogbia more. i know he hasnt been fit most of the season but he is someone who has a decent long range shot and can take on defenders
we need to make some changes for blackburn thats for sure.
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:30 am
Roeder needs to go
I can’t imagine what will happen next year if he’s still in charge, it won’t look good even we have all our players back, no motivation, no tactics, we’re becoming the most underachieving team in EPL
Sent in on: May 1st, 2007 at 12:09 am
Dyer’s peformance was the worst I have seen from a captain as a Newcastle fan in my enitire life. I would honestly consider selling him, he is injury prone, inconsistent and is getting paid around £80,000 a week.
Roeder must go. I hate the fact we are sacking managers left, right and centre. But when you cannot motivate a team with the attacking calibre we had tonight, then something is drastically wrong.
I remain disillusioned with this football club…
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
I’ve given Roeder the benefit of the doubt time & time again, but now after watching 10 minutes of decent football followed by 80 minutes of useless tripe… i finally give up!
Please Freddie, put us out of our misery and get us Stan the man! Someone with great tactical sense, strong team discipline & an element of style! Roeder seems able to pull just 1 of these off per game but rarely all 3 that are vital for Premiership success.
Oh yeah and, Bramble showed us all again what a donkey’s ass he is. FFSake!
I’m going for a sulk.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
can somebody explain to me the tactics please? just what was Roeder doing playing sibierski in that position/role is there no end to this clowns tactical genius. Can some of Roeders supporters on here please explain to me why this idiot should remain as manager? I’d love to know.
Some players have stopped playing for him he’s ruined Nzogbia and is dragging us further down for gods sake go and go now!
gareth
new hartley mags
chairman
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Sorry, should probably mention that Milner’s done well. But Dyer’s been struggling. I can’t imagine why, he’s such a good player! Also hope Sib’s okay.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
No determination - Reading defended really well, we, as usual, could never see the ball coming !
If Stevie Carr is still getting a game for newcastle next season, I’m selling my season ticket !
Glen, it’s time to sack the wasters - you know who they are because some of them are your favourites (Duff etc).
What must Mr Owen have been thinking while he played with that lot tonight? Bet he’s off in the summer !!
Freddy, if Roeder is there next season, we’ll be struggling to stay up… FACT ! Start shortlisting managers - sam allardyce is available:-he wont stand for timewasters like Roeder has.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
12 v 11 that was the difference between newcastle and reading. Steve Coppell has managed his side into a team that CAN win premiership matches, Glen Roeder has managed his side into a team that MIGHT win. Confidence is low, prematch management decisions often questioned, an inept ability to tactically adjust during the game to the oppositions set up. When it goes bad he just stands there and tells them to get stuck in.
He does not inspire confidence at all. As soon as Owen and Ameobi are fit we play with three strikers!!
Everyone is sat at the table but nobody is serving the food.
Where is the fluid passing of the ball, quickly and purposefully, FORWARD that opens up defences? If you are looking for that when Newcastle play look at the opposition.
Yes they may look good on paper or on the training ground. But take away two key players, Martins and Given and we would probably feel the weight of the premiership on us as we propped the table up.
Cynical? Overly critical. No I don’t think so.
I think Roeder can with a good squad make sure we don’t fall into relegation, but we will never win anything under his reign.
We have seen performances this season that would likely be seen from a struggling Division 1 team.
Today we played with two Great strikers, one of which among the best in the world, some Excellent Midfielders(DEFINATLEY MAN OF THE MACH WINNERS ON THEIR DAY). Did we look like a force to be reckoned with?
That’s my little whinge.
Roll on next season.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Wingers had a night off, and the team didn’t have a leader.
Bramble dirtied his show window (again)
Dyer was team captain! It says it all.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Newcastle were not on form tonight. Good to see Owen back - but Reading outplayed the Magpies completely - they were hungy and wanted the game - they had the passion that that Newcastle clearly lacked.
Maybe Coppell should join Sidwell at Newscastle????
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Since when was it considered football to scramble all over ourselves in defense and then lob balls recklessly forward hoping a striker can get on the end? Does our midfield even exist? Shola and Michael can’t do shite to save us if they can’t get decent service from the rest of the players! What are we playing at?
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
beyond apathy. id like to go to sleep and wake up when shepherd has sold the club to a professional outfit that can install a proper culture throughout the club.
…if they can attract sam allardyce that would be a start but it’s shepherd’s running of the club that has brought us here.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Pathetic, Roeder out! I’m so sick and tired of the mindless football we play. I’ve so much at another site that i’m so sick of saying the same things over and over again. MINDLESS FOOTBALL. BIG SAM IN ROEDER OUT! that’s it to sum up. All roeder’s fault today in so many ways. From kick off to full time all his fault.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
we had more possetion and shots. they had a think 3 or 4 shots on targe n scored we had about 8. dyer, ameobi and martins should of scored and dyer give them the fuckin goal by fannyin on with it. we should sell him and get sidwell. we need 2 sort out our defence it is a pile of site. sell bramble n try n keep onyewu. taylor n moore are our only good defenders.
Sent in on: April 30th, 2007 at 9:41 pm