What Punch Harry?
By Archie Brand On Fri 11 May 2007 |
In 1989 Franklin Roy Bruno found himself playing with the big boys.
He was in the ring fighting for the Heavyweight Championship of the World against “Iron” Mike Tyson, a pugilist so ferocious he had only ever admitted to being afraid of one thing. During the filming of an American edition of Celebrity Weakest Link, referring to Ann Robinson, Tyson said “she’s one scary bitch”
In the first round of the bout Tyson threw a right hook hook that caught Bruno smack on the end of the chin - that oh so delicate chin, thought to be formed of Edinburgh Crystal.
Bruno went down like the proverbial sack of shit, but managed to get back to his feet and even shook Tyson at the end of the first round with a couple of rights of his own.
History tells us that Bruno, sharing a common trait with that other sporting hero of the time - Eddie The Eagle Edwards - didn’t last the distance, hitting the deck more times than Ronaldo on a windy day, but at least having the decency to stay down.
In the interview after the fight Harry Carpenter asked Bruno about the Tyson punch that put him down in the first.
Frank replied with one of the great boxing quotes of all time - “Wot punch, ‘arry?”
A certain Mr Roeder must be wandering the FA wilderness at the moment muttering “Wot Punch ‘arry”
He can’t have any idea what hit him. Though the million quid settlement probably makes it a little easier to stomach.
So who is to follow in those hallowed footsteps?
Will it be Ladbrokes favourite Big Sam? Uncle Sven, Koeman, Van Gaal, or two white mice and a goldfish? That’s speculation for another day. Knowing Fred it’ll be a toss up betwween the goldfish, Chris Coleman and the peoples choice, Mike Neville.
Regardless of who is convicted after Roeder the question has to be “where did Roeder go wrong?”
It’s all very well slagging the poor bloke off but why is he getting such a slagging?
Almost a year ago he started that long, almost guaranteed, meandering stroll to the dole queue otherwise known as managing the Toon, but what was the main factor that contributed towards his dismissal?
Was it the lack of tactical nous that was demonstrated on so many occasions?
Was it the inventive use of substitutes - bringing on a first sub 89 minutes into an arse kicking springs to mind?
Was it poor team selection?
Was it his misplaced faith in certain players that scuttled his ship?
Was it his apparent lack of enthusiasm for the whole picnic?
Was it those months spent with his nose pressed hard up against Fenwick’s window, without actually dipping into his wallet - window shopping. Hell we’d have done better if he’d come back with a couple of mannequins.
Was it those awful post match interviews - capable of putting a charging rhino to sleep at a hundred yards?
Apart from the obvious “lack of points” what do you think was the biggest contributing factor to Roeders current predicament?
How many times did we see the lads come out of the blocks like their arses were on fire and play cracking football, passing the ball around, having the odd shot on goal and then take the lead, only to come out in the second half, change their tactics completely, and try to defend that lead?
Like Paris Hilton, Vinnie Jones and Pete Doherty, Newcastle United have become famous over the last few years for something other than their supposed professions.
Our defence leaks like a porcupines condom.
I would have turfed Roeder just for being daft enough to believe that the team could sit back and depend on our back four to protect a lead of anything less than 27 goals.
What do you think was his downfall.
Oh - and the glasses too.
Archie Brand
Bahrain

Just a quick thought on expectations. The two managers who have led us to our best league positions in recent years have both had a godd couple of years to build their team. Keegan had been building a side since our time in old division 1, whilst Robson inherited an admittedly poor side and then finished 12th for a couple of years. The two managers above teams alwatys seemed to be moving in a positive direction whereas roeders prehaps didn’t.
I guess I’m saying that we as fans need to have patience (although prehaps not with roeder). If say Big Sam comes in he won’t have the credit with us that Keegan and Robson had. We must however still give him time though because our club needs major surgery (scouting, back room staff etc as well as the playing side)
Sent in on: May 13th, 2007 at 11:41 am
No, I do not believe a managers motivational skills count for nothing. The fact is the team have taken points from games against many of the top sides this season but have dropped silly points in matches that were there for the taking,snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so to speak.
If they can motivate themselves for the games against the top four and do ok then clearly it is within them to improve on results overall.
A good manager is able to get that extra few percent out of a team to punch above their weight,a very good manager does it consistantly over long seasons.
Ther appears to have been a very slack attitude to playing in games which look like being below many of our so-called superstars. The PL may lack the skill and tactical scheming of Itally or Spain but the lower teams always bring bags of effort to the style of play.This unfortunately we can not cope with.
Sent in on: May 13th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I know this is maybe slightly off-topic but, there’s an interesting point that Chris L makes in his piece there.
“…The answer to that is ‘European qualification’ followed by ‘top four’ the year after.. As fans we can’t help it.
Despite not winning anything for nearly 40 years, we still feel we have the right to the same expectations of a ManU/Liverpool fan.”
Got me thinking. Do we still geniunely feel that we should be achieving that? Personally, I feel we should be around top 6 every season. Anything less is failure. Failure to reach the top 4 though? I know we have achieved Top4 several times not all that long ago, but with the expection of the 95/96 season (I’m just about out of councilling these days) we’ve always seemed to be punching a little above our weight in the other times we’ve hit Top 4.
I just wondered whether anyone is noticing a change in attitude amongst other Toon fans? It’s always said that expectations are stupidly high with Newcastle fans, but are those expectations shifting maybe? Some pieces I’ve read and heard from fans recently seem to be more realistic than usual. Thoughts…..?
Sent in on: May 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
Good point Steve. But does that mean a managers motivational skills should count for nothing?
If you’re on the better part of a hundred grand a week wheres your motivation? You know you can go out there and play a right load of toss and still drive home in your 911 to your mansion in the countryside.
Cut them all back to 20 grand and give them performance related bonuses - marks out of ten.
That would be a bugger wouldn’t it. How could anyone survive on only 20K a week? Poor lads.
I always thought giving Parker the captaincy was badly timed. He gave him the armband and tried to change his position at the same time.
I think that while our fans’ expectations may be a little hopeful we could be right up there in just a couple of years.
Sent in on: May 12th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Some teams in the premiership are performing well above their expected peresormance. I think we are the only team where you look at the players and think what are they doing down there?
Intertoto was probably a mistake - how many games will we have played this season? 60? 61?
Then we complain about the injury list.
I think the fact that we haven’t won anything for so long has the fans thinking that its got to happen soon.
I’m a little concerned about Fred admitting that he’s had talks with Sam. Does tha mean he has his backing? Should he be packing his bags?
YOu know the managers time has come when the fans stop having a go at the players and aim a bit higher up.
Don’t be so sure about the Mackems. Personally I hated Keane as a player - I thought he was just a yob, but what he’s achieved in the short time he’s been there is impressive - but even more impressive is his drawing power. Keano’s over the hill mates will be coming out the woodwork, and a team of almost has beens will be enough to keep the Mackems up.
I hope they stay up. It would be unfair to deprive the Toon the opportunity to kick Mackem arse on a regular basis.
Sent in on: May 12th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Roeder just did not have the qualities to succeed in the Premier league, he may turn out to be a decent manager at a lower level but Newcastle was a step to far for him.I think this was reflected in FS only giving him a short term contract,if he really believed in him would this be the case?
Last seasons revival was far more to do with Souness going than the leadership quailties of Roeder (or even Shearer).
When given decisions to make or had to resort to plan b he fell short most of the time for example Dyer for captain, seeing Scott Parker as an attacking midfielder (sorry Glenn ok player as he is he is not the next Paul Scholes).
In his defence I do believe he was badly let down by any number of so called senior pros who need to be shipped out asap,wont mention any names as you all know who they are.They do not play for Glen Roeder they play for Newcastle and should give 100% even if they do not like/respect the manager.
So much has been said about his lack of motivational skills but these lads are not only proffesional footballers but grown men and have to take responsibilty for at least some of there actions.I dont have anybody to gee me up to do a days work and would be fucking embarrased if it was needed.
Should he have gone ? Yes
Should he have been given the job in the first place? No.
That said I for one wish him well,He was a good honest pro doing his best at all times,how many others at SJP (from the boardroom to the pitch) can honestly say that.
Sent in on: May 12th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Apart from the obvious, he’d been promoted to his own level of incompetence (we all know people like that).
I reckon he partly suffered from his own success as caretaker manager. Had the team won a couple less games at the back end of last season, I believe he’d still have been offered the job from FS, but the important thing is that we wouldn’t have qualified for Europe & the fans league expectations would have been lower this season. It may well have been the difference between him still being employed now & keeping his job another six months.
Realistically, who ever comes in to fill the hot seat next, what will we expect of them?
The answer to that is ‘European qualification’ followed by ‘top four’ the year after.. As fans we can’t help it.
Despite not winning anything for nearly 40 years, we still feel we have the right to the same expectations of a ManU/Liverpool fan.
Personally I’d love that kind of level of success for us, but fear for any manager who fails to deliver our unrealistically high demands. Finishing where we have this season, can we really hope for anything but to avoid relegation next year?
I bloody hope so! I want to be back in Europe!
p.s. I heard that only two teams need to worry about going down next season as the clowns from the stadium of plight, have already volunteered to finish with yet another new record low points score.
Sent in on: May 12th, 2007 at 10:36 am