and the toon have got a nerve to charge 40 to 50 quid to watch a bunch of clueless lazy panheeds why do the fans keep turning up to watch the same shit every week.there is got to be a time when enough is enough and to start voting with their feet.it worked when we got rid of jack charlton.the toon just seem to put up with it.shephard knows they will turn up and buy the season passes and the shirts religously.ie still making more money from the masses he is not going nowhere.

i really dont know where to start.
i wasnt at the game on saturday and so i cant really comment but the overall performances have been spineless. the thing that particularly upsets me is that people have shown they CAN do it…how many times have you stuck up for titus when another supported says hes shit and you say ‘’he CAN b amazing, ive seen it with my own eyes'’?
were we not absolutely RAVING about scott parkers performances at the start of the season backing him for england duty and singing his praises?
do we not think that steven taylor has the potential to play for england at CB one day, and that he is potentially one of the only toon players who could play for the big 4?
when charlie nzogbia burst on the scene were we not saying we have the french ryan giggs?
when oba martins scores 6 in 7 games, are we not backing his cause that ‘on his day’ he is one of the top in the prem?

these are just some examples, there are many more, such as duff, dyer (on occasion), milner.

the thing that also bothers me is that when you look at teams like tottenham, who id say have similar personnel to us, albeit the difference in berbatov, their movement at the moment is fantastic, they play at a faster pace than us, and they all interchange in terms of position. when i watch nufc, duff STICKS to the left, kieron or milner STICK to the right, scotty and butt STICK to the centre.

one thing we have definitely struggled to find is the centre middfield partnership since the days of gary speed and kieron dyer. scott parker is a great player, i cant believe some of the stick he has been given. bt emre, nicky butt, and kieron dyer (though i am his biggest fan) are the right answer to partner him, mainly for the reason , because they are too small. being 5′ 8′’ myself, i often argue size doesnt matter, but ultimately it does it a centre midfield, and when you have scott and belo playin in there, they have a combined height of about 11 foot, which is just too small and subtle, yet major problem for the toon is the winning of second balls in the middle of the park.

defensively we are a shambles, and after protesting to friends that taylor is ‘the real deal’ i am becoming increasingly worried about his development. this summer, i would love us to bring in either bridge or baines, wes brown, and maybe even lucas neill if the hammers go down..if anton ferdinand signs however i might just give up on roeder right there and then cuz he is rubbish!!!

with regards to the management situation, its almost a ‘damage limitations’ scenario. lets face the facts, roeder is not going to be manager in 3/4 years time, is there any point in giving him 30 million? then again some may argue in the injury circumstances weve experiecned this season he has done a good job and deserves the same backing as all his predecessors. to be honest im on the fence. i like roeder, the way he talks (apart from his recent excuses) is good,and i do genuinely think he KNOWS what we want and how we want to play football. but theres doubts in my mind whether he can , and whether he thinks he can deliver it.

all i can say is, lets finish the season on a high, and howay the lads

would just like to reply to lincoln.

which emre have you been watching for nearly 2 years , because the one i have seen has scored 3 league goals, been injured half the time, and generally looks slower and weaker than any other player in his position.

we have too many players who look good on paper because of past performances, ie duff, parker, emre,they are simply not good enough anymore and surely anyone looking at their stats for newcastle has to agree. none of them have created or scored many goals and parkers only real contribution is his workrate.

sunday was another shambles, and im really starting to think that mr roeder hasnt got a clue tactically, not to mention the fact that when everyones fit he will always drop nzobbia and milner for butt,emre,parker,duff etc( probably even that clown huntington)who doesnt look as good as edgar in my opinion.

im really tired on nufc on the whole and am sick of people praising parker and emre when statistically they are awful!!!!!!!

Thank god Emre got cleared of racism that is a massive relief and a major boost for the club and the only bit of good news in what has been a dismal week for the boys. Now hopefully Emre will be a Newcastle for a long time too come and alot more seasons. Emre is a frigin Legend i love you Emre. NUFC 4 LIFE

Just having a little think…Looking back Newcastle have had some pretty decent defenders over the last 6 years or so. Ever wandered where we would be now if we’d managed to actually get them all in the same team with Bobby Robson as manager? A back line of Woodgate, Distin, Domi and Helder would be a hell of a lot better than what we’ve got now.

Well where do you start?. A new back four would be a start, why we didnt get campbell and woodgate is a mystery, well it isnt really as we have a history in not signing the right players. None of our defenders would get in the top six sides and that includes taylor who clearly thinks he is better than he is. Duff isnt the he was or isnt being coached and managed correctly, butt looks a better option than parker in the middle(so much for our captain), sib isnt upto it and martins needs six chances to put one away plus he has poor control and no vision. The only two players who deserve to be in our team are given and milner based on effort and commitment. We need a manager who is tactically aware and savvy in the transfer market, roeder aint it so lets ship him out now!!. We wont get relegated and we wont get europe so get someone in for the last 8 games who can judge our rabble and act accordingly in the summer, that should happen!!. What will happen is that roeder will stay, waste what little money he is allowed to spend, hang on to the overpaid wankpots he signed and get the boot 10 games in thus fucking another season up!!!!

Roeder, I don’t know anymore like what the hell is he doing half the time, like does he deserve to go or has this season just been completley luckless for him and Newcastle. He’s had mountains of injuries to deal with and alot of the time this year people have turned around and said Roeders doing well with what he has. But like injuries only count for so much. Like to me any way it seemed that there is one player holding this team together, keeping us afloat and thats Shay Given. It’s no coincidence that when Given got injured against West Ham that we spent the rest of the games that he was out for pretty much at the bottom of the table then when he came back against Arsenal, which he was unatural in, that the the climb began. It’s not a coincidence.

If Roeder made GOOD signings when he had the chance then who knows, you can’t say it can’t be done cause like look at Roy Keane and Sunderland when he got there they were second from bottom now they’re second. He didn’t make that many signings and the ones he did like they were smart signings. It’s because..”Keane expects 100% effort from his team but he is also demanding the results – which he is now getting regularly and is already thinking ahead to the close season with breaking news that Chairman Quinn will back him with a $25M transfer kitty if they win promotion.” it’s close up top but he might do it.
I know there’s NO Sunderland fans around here that I know of anyway but like even Shay Given’s backing Roy to bring them up in his first season.
It doesn’t take a miracle for things like that to happen it just takes like a decent manager and hard work and belief (and a bit of money) but it can be done. There’s no reason why couldn’t be.

BRING BACK BOBBY SHINTON, GLEN(TITUS)KEELEY, GEORGE RILEY, MARCELINO,BILLY WHITEHURST, AND ANY OTHER DONKEYS THAT HAVE PLAYED FOR THE TOON BECAUSE THEY WOULD LEAVE THE PRESENT SHAMBLES STANDING AND THAT IS SAYING SOMETHING.I HAVE TO WORK AND LISTEN TO MY MAKAM MATES SMUG COMMENTS EACH AND EVERY DAY,(COME ON NEWCASTLE GET YOUR FINGER OUT AND GIVE YOUR HARD WORKING SUPPORTERS WHO PAY YOUR WAGES SOMETHING TO SHOUT ABOUT)BRING BACK KING.

how the fuck can everyone still have faith in roeder. or for that matter how could anyone have any faith in him ever. he isnt even qualified for the job. he had a little run after souness left cause everyone was so happy to be rid of him but now after thats run off hes the worst fucking coach in the league. we need a big famous boss. someone that can control the players and get something out of anyone else than parker oba and given. i say well go down soon if we dont get rid of this halfwit

There are fans in certain South American countries that would organise a whip round to have their club chairman / president shot if they were forced to endure the kind of nonsense we have had to put with.
Might be worth looking into, anybody got Tino’s number?

get rid of the overpaid mercenaries who’ve done nothing and shown no heart to play for this club, and stick with players with genuine desire and hunger

we need an overhaul from top to bottom: new board, new manager, new coaches, new scouts, new players

and the only way this can happen? A takeover!!!!

i have to take my hat off to your support at the valley today early awful kick off time,mothers day toboot…and yet you still sold out and i thought you looked very bright and positive 1st half.If we go down id advise you to get darren bent at nearly any cost,if you create chances trust me he will score (hoping we dont go down lol)

WE ARE GEORDIES!WE ARE KNOWN FOR STICKING WITH THE CLUB AND IF EVERY THERE IS A TIME IT IS NOW!

Totally agree with John about Roeder and his favourites. David Edgar has been thrown back in the reserves since the game where he came on for Ramage and ran the defence pulling us out of the shite for a second time. Edgar got no credit off Roeder but his beloved ‘Hunty’ actually got a pat on the back from Roeder for being the worst player on the pitch on Thursday nite. After today how much more can we take??

First of all, I think the Gooch bashing needs to stop, apart from one slip up today he won everything in the air, tackled well in the box, and has the presence necessary to steady the defense. For me Onyewu should be bought on a permanent. Dyer and Parker had cack games, Duff did well at left back, Sibierski simply shouldn’t have been on the pitch.

Roeder, for me has got the right idea about what the club needs in terms of signings, although he is a little too cautious (eg Woodgate, Campbell). Today however his selection baffled me. Emre gave no width whatsoever, and left Duff exposed, and to be fair Duff did very well considering. Milner proved why he should have played against Alkmaar. I think Roeder went out with the wrong game plan, we had no width, so Sibierski’a aerial threat was pretty much eliminated, meanaing he had no real purpose on the pitch, he was pretty immobile. Dyer should have played behind Oba. Roeder shouldn’t be sacked, impatience will get us nowhere, but he is certainly becoming worryingly erratic with his selection.

if Emre takes another corner without beating the 1st man i itnhk i will personally hit him. i thnk even i could make better crosses. also i agree with what has been said Glen Roader is not the right man for the job

Absolutely bollocks. If this team was a horse they’d shoot it. Roeder’s right about one thing, I feel dead sorry for Shay Given. He deserves better than the spineless clueless goons that pass as our back four. If ever there was a case for ripping a club up and starting again from scratch this is it, from the chairman on down. I know we’ve got some good players there but right at this minute I’m just so pissed off about the last two gutless performances.

Yet another P**S POOR performance.
Fat Fred was in the papers today pledging to spend BIG in the summer…GOOD, HE NEEDS TO…..Start by bringing in a PROVEN HIGH LEVEL MANAGER.
I used to think that Roeder should be dropped back to reserve team coach, but now, after having a better look at him, i don’t even think he’s good enough for that. He should do the honourable thing and quit now !!
In my opinion the whole team needs an overhaul because the balance just isnn’t right. If you don’t have a strong back bone you’ve got nothing to build on.
Firstly we need a whole new back line - Two centre backs, two full backs PLUS COVER. NONE of our defenders are good enough. Forget Gooch, sell bramble, sell Babs, sell Carr, stick Taylor on the bench for another couple of years to learn from some world class solid defenders and see if he improves. because at the moment he’s believing the hype about how good he can be and is becoming VERY complacent.
A tough tackling midfield general as captain is also a priority….a big physical and spiritual prescence, strong, creative, vocal, good in the air, a box to box man who can snuff out danger, plug holes as he sees them opening, spot a killer pass, motivate and organise the troops, kick their ar*es into gear and turn defence into attack. Every top team has one, we have to make do with Scott Parker. Not solid enough-not vocal enough-not intelligent enough-not skilful enough- NOT GOOD ENOUGH, not for our ‘main man’ anyway. Would rather partner our new ‘Dynamo’ with Emre in centre midfield and have parker as cover.
Left and right midfielders - Get rid of Duff, he’s not performing and looks like he just ain’t interested. I believe that maybe Miner and definately N’Zogbia could be good enough in time, but they too need quality, experienced players to learn from.
A quality striker. Someone physical, dominant in the air, mobile, quick, a real handful for opposition defenders. Someone in the mould of Spurs ‘Newcastle United supporter’ Berbatov would be ideal (swap for Duff who they seem so keen on?), to complement Owen and Martins blistering pace but lack of presence.
Maybe, just maybe, we have enough at the club to slot in around the above buys to make up the first eleven and give cover, but most of the current crop, INCLUDING THE MANAGER AND COACHING STAFF, are by no stretch of the imagination good enough, they’re mostly dead wood and need to go.
With seven games to go and Newcastle only 10 points above third bottom Charlton who beat us convincingly today and 17 points behind fourth place Liverpool, that’s all the proof anyone should need.

Thought perhaps Reoder might make it if given a chance, however having serious doubts,
Any manager who gets rid of a local lad {the current champs. league leader with 21 goals)following Owens injury + Shearers retirement and signs a 30 odd year old Man City castoff, raises doubts as to judjment.
Yeah Martins seems a classy signing, but the jury is still out on the big yank defender and what happened to all the people we were supposed to sign during the holiday window?
But please, no Harewood, a big clumsy Heskylike club player. Ashton, Reo-Coker, or Ferdinand hmm.maybe?
Also need a clearout of the following, Carr,Babayaro,Moore,Bramble and if Emre wants out, let him go too.
We must keep and develope youngsters like Zog,Milner,Taylor and the young defenders recently blooded in the side.
So I see the clubs priority is a decent striker,
Perhaps Ashton or Babbel.
A decent set of young fullbacks and a central defender, even though this would still result in a thin squad in regard to the unusual number of injuries at this club.
But Glen if you happen to read this no more Club
players or Pensioners please.

Where is that team that played with such heart on New Years Day? Oh yes…………not all the players that played that day are one of Roeder’s favourties! Why isn’t young David Edgar playing? The kid did better than anyone that has played since.

same shit differant day enough said.

Sadly it was all too predictable…roll on the summer.

…Dear me !!! What has happened to NUFC?
I have a few points to cover and they are:
Tactics, Coaching and Management !
Whats currently happening at NUFC could be slightly down to lack of quality in the team - but that is the difference between qualifying for europe and just missing out - newcastle have done neither this season.

Tactics:
It would seem to me that newcastle are playing with the midfield playing too close to the defencive back line. This may have been adpted to prevent us from conceding too many goals - It’s not working ! An old football saying can be apopted at times like this: “Score more than you let in means you win games”.
Movement in the side is very sparse at the moment, whatever happened to pass and move and run into space?
Clearly there are many more points that could be raised regarding tactic deployment at newcastle, but i think my theory (see the management section) would be the best solution to this.

Coaching:
Managers in this day (since i can remember) have been bringing in thier mates - e.g. sounes, the blackburn coaching team (hehe). Its no good bringing in your mates from struggling clubs to help coach a side wanting european qualification !!
when roeder took chage at newcastle we had a lot of injuries but we also had a group of players (many of which are still here) who had decent ball control and movement about them. In the time since Roeder took the hot seat any abilities (i.e. ball control, movement on/off the ball) has simply disapeared and our players have the ball control of elephants ! Coaching, as it would seem, has reshaped a foundation of a good team, into just a big whole and based on todays fixture, i’d say we have a foundation of 1 player (Given) - the coaches are not working enough on the critical areas. If Martins had signed for Man Utd (not that they were bidding for him) instead of newcastle, he’d have a 1st touch now and be banging goals away for fun.
My greatest fear is that Roeder is training his players to keep themselves fit and avoid injury (at the expense several sets of 3 pointers in the Premiership). Because of this being careful stuff, we look guttless on the field (afraid to get stuck into a tackle: Emre, Dyer, Duff).

Management:
Roeders history shows that he’s managed teams and saved them from relegation in one season…then taken them down to the Championship the next. I’m not saying that we will go down next season, but this suggests that Roeder is tactically inept.
When newcastle have needed a new manager, they have always picked the same type of manager (i.e. One that established himself at the club, finds his favourite players (the ones he gets on with the most) and will pick his favourites regardless of their underperforming). This sort of thing must stop ! Would Alex Ferguson do that? If Rio Ferdinand had 2 or 3 crap performances on the trot, he would be dropped until an easy cup match where he coul prove himself again. Roeder signed Duff in the pre season, at 5 million, it seemed like a steal, now everyone can see why. But will he be on the starting lineup ahead of Zog next game?? You know what the answer is. Alot of poor managers refuse to own up to the fact that they made a poor signing by dropping that player, Roeder is one of them.

Summary,
This post has covered the areas of newcastle that need to be addressed before newcastle even need to think about signing more players. Tactics and coaching are both linked together by management. Somebody recently mentioned that we should splash out for Gus Hiddink as manager. I say, why not? Hiddink can bring in his back room staff (world class coaches), tactics (which have led him to win many competitions inthe past) and his ability to attract big name players to the club.

Would Hidding come? Probably not !

Mark’s final comment: Sheppard, hurry up and sell the club while you can get £90m for it coz the value is going to drop when we’re playing in the Championship in a couple of years.

ther goes europe, not even gunna watch another game this season i cba wasting my time and money to watch this crap anymore am sick beyond belief.

Roeder and freddy must go if were to ever succed harsh but very true unfortuntly i see them both been around for a long long time.

uhhh cba with newcastle united anymore, all they do is talk in the press words cannot desribe how shit they are, definatly not going to another waste of space game this season waste of money bullshit

Absoulute rubbish. The club needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom with some serouis inevstment if we are to challenge Spurs, Bolton or even Reading never mind the top 4.

This has gone on to long

A loss that doesn’t suprise me. Charlton with something to fight for, Newcastle with nothing but midtable mediocrity, at best. We were never going to find the motivation today after such an awful performance in the UEFA Cup.

I Just want the season to end now, i’ve resigned us to no europe next season, so, as long as we can pick up enough points that we dont get sucked into a last minute relegation battle (We’re still not at that 40 point mark), we can write off this season and begin planning for the next.

For next season, money needs to be spent wisely, a rightback, a left back and a commanding centerback to replace the riff-raff we had to use this season. Get rid of Bramble, Moore, Carr and Babayaro, bring in some new players, wont be hard to improve on their quality.

Midfield, if we lose emre, needs an attacking presence, possibly N’Zogbia could fill that role, possibly not. And we need a strong striker, with Ashton a possibility if west ham do indeed go down.

Without these improvements, i cannot see us being any more than also-rans next season.

Here’s hoping roeder, and newcastle in general, prove me wrong.

We started well but ended miserably, so disappointed again about the performance in the second half, couldn’t pass the ball well, and no one helped out when one of the players got the ball, leaving them isolated. Relying too much long balls to sibierski and martins, which brought us nothing. Defence was shocking as well, we could have conceded more than 2 goals.

I don’t think roeder is the right man to lead us to glory and he should be sacked, his tactics are bad and making players confused, they don’t know what to do on the pitch!