Big Sam - The Pros Far Outweigh The Cons - Bring Him In Freddy
By HTT On Mon 7 May 2007 |
It seems to me there are a few of us more than concerned at the possibility of Big Sam Allardyce managing our beloved Toon and while there are a few valid points in and amongst these concerns, most are superficial and need not concern us.
Ex mackem - So what. Only a true cretin would - out of a whole list of plus points - use such a meaningless statistic to rule against someone. He only played 27 games for them, just a few more than Wor Jackie…
Panorama programme - More hyperbole than actual substance. Big Sam has never been charged or found guilty of taking bungs. He’s conducted over 200 transfers in and out since becoming a manager, all those breadcrumbs and nothing but conjecture and accusations says a lot.
Style of football - Firstly it is a bit of a myth that Bolton play shite football. They use the long ball just as much as Chelsea and Liverpool do. Secondly they play better football than we have done over the past few years, as was on show when they beat us at SJP earlier on in the season. Thirdly who gives a shit about being entertained, give me results and success over that all day long. Fat lot of good entertainment has done us over the years anyway. Lastly, you’d have to be an idiot to expect a manager not to be able to adapt something as simple as a pattern of play, given that this manager in particular has been doing it every year he’s been in charge of Bolton. Don’t believe me, ask one of their fans. Furthermore, you don’t sign and play technically gifted players like Campo, Djorkaef, Okocha, Anelka, Diouf and others and actually get them performing if all you are is a “long ball team”.
Attracting top players - The fact this concerns a lot of fans whenever a new manager is up for grabs, says a lot about how some value our trophy players here. I would gladly swap half of our so-called top players, the Duffs, Luques, Parkers and other big money signings for half of Bolton’s team which cost a full total of zero to assemble due to Big Sam’s knack at building a team of a transfer budget of zero effectively. But do not fret because being able to attract top players has never been a problem at Newcastle even for poor managers like Souness and Roeder, now getting them to perform…. that’s what’s important and more of an issue. Money talks, we could have Hitler in charge and we’d be able to buy top players so long as we continue to dangle enough money in their and their clubs’ face which we are experts at doing.
Dealing with pressure/expectations - God, you’d think this is the only club that has to live with pressure and expectations. We create half the pressure ourselves or bring it on ourselves, yet should any manager win a mere League Cup he’d be a king, 6 games to become a King? Hell, he’d get a civic reception if he lost a Final (Dalglish & Gullit). Pressure? Newcastle should be the easiest club in the world to manage. All you need to do is sign trophy players, play attractive football and nearly win something, and you’ll become a messiah. Seriously, the margin of pressure at a club like Bolton and Newcastle is very thin or not that different. At Bolton the pressure is on to stay up, to somehow compete with those around you who are much bigger and have bigger kitties, at Newcastle it’s top 6 and a good cup run (we gave up hope of trophies long ago or should do). By the way - expectations at Bolton under Big Sam (self imposed expectations I might add) top 6 and a good cup run. Same as wors.
Now look at the pros…
Man management skills - check
Tactical acumen - check
Good grasp of worldwide transfer markets - check
Match preparation - check
Motivational skills - check
Good grasp of fitness and diet techniques - check
Improving players - check (made Michael Rickets into an England player)
Spotting unknown talent - check (Ben Haim, their ‘keeper and countless others)
Discipline - check
Bringing through any available youth - check
Improving a club’s all-round status such as league, financial and playing/coaching wise - check
Working with a limited budget - check
Mapping out strategies, plans and future improvements - check
Use of technology to aid players, club and results - check
Nah, not for us.
Once a mackem…
Those bung allegations…
Long ball football…
Big Sam? Yes please!
PS: From the horses mouth…
“If I was a manager of a top club with top players and huge resources, my players would be better than the other team’s players 95 per cent of the time and we’d play a different style to how we do at Bolton, although there would be a lot of core values that I’d want to retain.â€
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Well here goes with the healthy discussion.
Kiwi Trev
Spot on - I’d love a foreign manager with a good record but doubt we have the pull to get one.
Ash
Erikson’s record is second to none. Name a more successful european manager.
A lot of people , and it seems you included, allow the tabloid coverage of his shagging exploits (respect!) and the Fake Sheikh scam to cloud their memory of a capable , successful career.
Yes, he’d be in it for the money - thats why I do my job, and I assume why you do yours.
If some rich bloke came up to you and said “I want to buy a company and I want you to run it. What should I buy and how much do you want?” what would you do?
You should also forget all this shite about him playing Beckham too much. He got so much stick for keeping faith with Beckham, and where are we now? Lobbying for Mac to get Beckham back in the team.
Its a bit like buying a car.
Theres what you’d consider buying based on the fact that the showroom is within a 10 mile drive, then there’s what you’d buy if you had limitless funds, then there’s what you know you’re going to end up with because it can fit 5 kids, the shopping 2 dogs and runs on deisel.
Lets try and narrow this down a bit.
Anybody reading this who has an opinion - forward the following;
1 Who currently employed in UK footy would you pick?
2 Who, anywhere in the world, would you pick?
3 Who realistically do you think we’ll get?
All good fun, eh?
Sent in on: May 10th, 2007 at 4:21 am
Ash,
What underachievement did SGE actually have with England, other than get nailled by the scum media
4 competitive losses, took them from being ranked 17th in the world to 4th (just after he left)
If you seriously think that England have had any chance, since Italy 90, of winning the World Cup you are seriously deluded, we do not…and have not come close since then, whilst others passed us by but he actually improved us
SGE would be a real coup for us, his domestic record is excellent, you cannot dispute this, and of course to get quality is going to cost us - you get what you pay for - but we are a club who will blow millions on players and nowt on a manager
SA’s record is to have qualified for Europe once and get knocked out at the last 32 stage but I can see why some would want him, I just don’t agree at all that he is the best option and surely this is what we want
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Do you all have short term memories? Sven??? you gotta be kiddin’. We would be a laughing stock and his record of chronic underachievement with England still rankles with me and to bring him in would be underwhelming and expensive.
Firstly he would command at least double what Allardyce would cost
Secondly he would demand a huge transfer budget as all his previous success was down to massive spending and not groundbreaking shrewd coaching. Besides can you really see the passion and the players being in fear of the manager?
We need somebody with stature and that presence especially with S*nderland and Keano arriving next year who appear to be rejuvenated. Combined with his underrated record Allardyce is the most suitable candidate by far.
Stuart Pearce, oh dear!
Allardyce would dearly love the England job as would every english manager but quite frankly the FA do not like him and he would never get the job in a million years. He is too forthright and has to much balls ever to be taken seriously by such a joke of an organisation.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Archie,
Thanx for the comments but 16 games is nearly half a season, of course I don’t subscribe to such a fools logic as we beat Liverpool, Liverpool beat Chelsea, therefore we should be in the Champs League final
What I (and a few others) are saying is that there are more options than SA and we as a club need to consider these options
People talk of SA “steadying the ship”, OK what happens when it’s steadied and we have guys playing for the club rather than the wage packet, do we pot the encumbent and then trying and get someone better because I can’t see the original guy being too keen in the first place
My personal view is that “foreign” managers bring a wider philosophy to the game in England, they generally have been implicitly involved thru the development academies in their own countries and bring a style that the homegrown lads obviously find difficult to counter - the winners over the last 13 years prove this
Talking to many “foreigners” out here in NZ always seems to bring the same response - to play in the EPL you must be an athlete because you need to run for 90 minutes but in Spain, Italy, et al (whereever they come from) you need to be technically good with and without the ball
I would love to see a manager appointed who would get us playing a style where we treasured possession and I do not see that in any English manager
Finally as others have said whoever gets the job I will support all the way and hopefully it will work out for the best - the fans on here are engaging in open and frank discussion, lets just hope that those in power are so open minded to the appointment, after follwing the lads since 67 and it being the only thing I miss wholeheartedly since I left in 94 just for once I would like us to pick up some silverware (on a regular basis) and the bigger the better !!!
Let’s keep the discussions coming it can only be good for us
HTL
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
WHY GIVE THE JOB TO ALAN SHEARER,DOES NOT HAVE THE THE PRO LICENCE.
WHAT IS IT BE,MORE SPECIAL DISPENSATION FROM THE OTHER PREM CHAIRMEN.
PERSONALLY DONT THINK SHEARER COULD EVER CUT IT AS A MANAGER,HE WAS NOT THE BEST CAPTAIN FOR NUFC OR ENGLAND.
THE ONLY TIME SHEARER EVER OPENED HIS MOUTH ON THE FIELD OF PLAY,WAS WHEN SOMEONE NEVER FOUND HIM IN THE BOX.
SO YOU EXPECT HIM TO MANAGE A TEAM DONT THINK SO!!!
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
ChrisL
Technically Sven resigned to take over England early after Keegan left, but how can I argue that point -Roeder just “resigned”.
Outlaw - I would take Sam on his confidence and what he’s achieved at Bolton. And he’s done it for nowt.
No millions wasted - no Boumsongs, no Luque’s.
I cant help thinking he’d have got a lot more out of the likes of Boumsong Babayarro, Dyer Parker, Duff etc.
Everything about him points towards improvement.
Tactics, motivation, technology.
Given the choice I’d take Sven but I doubt we’ll get him. Dont think Freds got the balls to risk him.
I never took to Ranieri - same way I didn’t take to Roeder
By the way
Have we all forgotten how many times it was said that Roeder was Freds last chance to get it right?
By rights when Roeder tendered his resignation Freds response should have been “Can I share your taxi?”
I think we can all agree on one thing - we’ll be behind the new manager, whoever he is - at least until the season starts.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Has Ranieri not been sacked from every club? Do we want a manager that has failed so often?
Will Big Sam not just leave us the minute the England job is offered to him (& it will be)? Do we want a manager that we already know will leave us in 1,2 or 3 years? He’s the easy option & I’m sure would do a decent job, but something just doesn’t sit right about him being our manager.
Sven, we all know we’ll get some stick at work if he’s put in charge, but he does have a great club history. But if I remember correctly, he actually got sacked by Lazio because they were garbage & so took over England about 3 months ahead of schedule. Excellent league record but has he still got what it takes?
I’m surprised I’ve not heard mention of Stuart Pearce’s name. He’s a young manager that was touted for the England job despite struggling at club management so far. I personally think he’s on a learning curve & we could certainly do worse. But not sure he’s the right man just yet & again he’d probably drop us like a stone if the England job came knocking.
I really hope Freddy pulls something out the hat this time. It’s funny, this time last year we were making wish lists of what I consider a higher level of manager (Hitzfeld, Le Guen, O’Neal, Gus) & we were all saying it was Fred’s last chance to get it right… Fred’s still here & the club has slid just a little further.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Archie Brand
Yes but why would you want SA who has not won anything at the top level over a manager who has?!… Like I said “Ranieri”!… Simply because the man has expressed a desire to come and manage Newcastle!
And don’t get me wrong. As much as I hate SA, if he does end up at St James Park?… So be it! I will back him as I have done with the previous manangers before when they arrived. I just don’t want my club risking it all over again.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
“If Allardyce is the man to rebuild a struggling club, Eriksson is the one with the ‘PEDIGREE’to make a champion. For once, it’ll be quite difficult for the Geordie owners to screw this one up.”
Ok before some of you on here start jumping on my back here is one thing to consider. Players usually go the exta mile if they know the manager has done it before and is held as one of the best, but when you pick a manager that has won NOTHING and he makes taktical dicistions that the players/fans qusetion then he is most likely to lose his playres (i.e. Roeder). Robson did magic with a squad that was in the bottom of the leauge and it is partly due to the respect his reputation demanded. And well the rest is history. If Big Sam is not successfull with in a season or two I feel like we are back to square one again. I belive it is essential a manager is picked that has the track record requiered to make sure the Fat one knows his place…
I just read reports about Houllier also being intrested and i would rather have ether him or Sven (never hurts to have someone with a chip on thir sholder) over Big Sam. I just hope the Fat one hears out propsed paths for the club from candidates before he makes his dicision.
Y
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
We need Sven, if he can be enticed to come here. 5 and a half years as England coach. Whilst Sam was labguishing in lesser clubs. If we can get Sven in, and people back him, we can get back to the top 4 and challenge for the league again.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Kiwi Trev,
Hitzfeld has recently signed a contract extension with Bayern.
In my opinion, Newcastle football club will only sufficiently progress once Shepherd has been removed of his duties. I think Allardyce will steady the ship and clean up the club, but only to a certain extent. We need someone with a proven track record in order win something. Houllier? Yes please. Shame the fat man rejected him after Souness was given the sack. Shameful.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
It has always been said that statistics can be used to prove anything.And some of you lads are making a pretty feeble attempt to discredit Allardyce by cherry picking the results that prove your point.
Outlaw and Kiwi Trev are you reading?
You could therefore argue that in their last match Tottenham beat Charlton 2-0, while Chelsea drew 1-1 with Arsenal.
Using your Monty Pythonesque logic Tottenham, conceding no goals and scoring 2, are an infinitely better team than Chelsea who scored one and let one in.
As I write this Chelsea are in second, 25 points ahead of Spurs who lie in sixth. It would therefore appear that sampling the seasons results, while handy for proving an obscure point, doesn’t really cut it when push comes to shove.
Man U didn’t get the league title based on their last few games - it was won over the season.
Maybe Roeder has slightly out performed Allardyce over your specific period of selected highlights, but with one game to go we are in 13th place and Allardyce Wanderers are in 7th, 13 points ahead of us.
Depending on results - they could go to 5th and we could go to 14th.
There again if we win at the weekend no doubt there’ll be a queue of people chanting for Pearson to take over full time.
I think Sam is the best option available to us in the premiership, but personally I’m still pushing for Eriksson.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 10:50 am
OK OK, I’ll do it. I’m pretty nifty on championship manager… where do I send my CV?
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Who i would like to see manage newcastle….
Hitzfield, Van Gaal, Guud Hidink.
However im being reallistic about who newcastle could attract and none of them are obtainable.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 4:32 am
Outlaw and kiwi trev, if you read my post correctly i have not giving my support to sam or anyone else for that matter, all i have merely stated is that bringing in a manager with a proving track record doesnt always work, in fact it has proving to be quite the opposite.
All i asked is if you are going to dismiss someone then at least articualte something a little bit more thoughtfull then errrrrrr no thanks, which i see you have now down.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 4:30 am
I’m sorry but people are dilluding themselves if they think SA is going to bring success to St Jame’s. I can see one reason and one reason only Freddie would even contemplate making him our Manager, and that is his rep of building a team on a shoe string budget. If Freddie REALLY wants Newcastle to challenge for the league then he has to bring in a Manager who is a winner. One name that springs to mind is Ranieri. Personally I think he’s perfect for the Job. If you ask me I think he did a better job at Chelsea than Mourinho has done. He got them playing much more attractive football with nearly as much success and far less money.
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 1:20 am
Chris,
By you logic then Reading, Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham, Charlton ad infinitum should not be in the Prem
Why the clamour for a guy who has achieved little in terms of success (by our standards), whose recent form has been worse than Roeders and a guy we certainly were not in favour of only 16 months ago and why would HE become the first Englishman to have success in over a decade - I can’t see this coming to fruition
There are obviously far worse opsions than Allardyce but by the same measure there are far better and what I (and others) are saying is these options need to be considered by the club
The argument that a manager won’t come because of our recent form is generally non-sensical, they are all bloody mercenaries it is just that the price varies - $17 mill for a striker, $10 mill for a striker, 10 bob for a manager - who is the fool and who is being taken for fools
Look at the situation of men who should be considered:
Hitzfeld - out of contract and one of the favourites last time
Ranieri - has expressed that he would consider the job
SGE - not working at the moment
and a number of others
The cost may be initially expensive but I ask can we as a club afford to get it wrong again in the longer term
Sent in on: May 9th, 2007 at 12:27 am
these people who are saying what has he won, hes been at boltob, who should be in league one with there fan base and budget and hes got them into europe.fools.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 11:49 pm
spot on mate. good and accurate column
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
A source from Vitalfootball.co.uk under Bolton Wanderers Football Club News…
“Getting rid of your manager is an odd thing to do with one game of the season to go, but given Freddy Shepherd`s record on appointments it`s hardly surprising. The pattern is always the same. Appoint rubbish manager. Give him lots to spend. Then sack him.
This time things may be different this time if speculation about Big Sam`s appointment is to be believed. Or will they?
It`s customary that the new appointee is doing better than the person he replaced. In Allardyce`s case this isn`t so. In 2007, Bolton have won just four league games, taken sixteen points from a possible forty-eight and are conceding two goals a game. In the same period Newcastle have also won four and have gained one more point than the Trotters. In both cases, it`s relegation form over an extended period.
Regular visitors to the Reebok will have noticed the change in Allardyce`s demeanour since the New Year. The overcoat-clad figure prowling the touchline, bellowing to anyone within earshot has gone, and been replaced by a disconsolate figure, with hands in pockets who looks as if he has no ideas on how to arrest his team`s slide. His assertion that he needed a break from football was entirely believable.
Until Fat Freddy stuck his oar in.
That Shepherd should try this sort of opportunism (or oppor-toon-ism, ho ho) is no surprise, but was Allardyce complicit all along? If he was, then as a prominent member of the League Managers Association, he should be ashamed at a move which involved removing a colleague, just so that he could have the job.
Of course the speculation may be groundless. The close sources that are spoken of in the press may be waiters on a Spanish beach who are serving Sam pina coladas. It is to be hoped so.
Back in Bolton, the first team is a mess. The defence is a shambles, there are gaping holes in midfield, the strikers don`t pass the ball to each other and morale is on the floor. The UEFA spot that should have been sealed weeks ago is in danger of slipping away. Would you really want to appoint the man who left his previous club in such a state?”
You’ve made 1 mistake before and you’re gonna make the same mistake again!
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Greg
… And have you given any feedback as to why we should appoint SA?
And I am saying Ranieri simply because the man has expressed a desire to coach Newcastle and second because I think we need a foreign manager with a different style of coaching.
Now can you please tell us why we should appoint SA? Or are you just agreeing with everyone else on here?
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Nick, what do you mean when you say “established”?…
… A team fighting for a UEFA cup spot??!
Is that what NUFC really want? A UEFA cup spot without a trophy in the cabinet. Let’s face it! Sam hasn’t got what it takes to bring success to Newcastle. If the guy hasn’t done it at Bolton what makes you think he can do it at Newcastle? And Im surprised to see how many Newcastle fans think he can bring success to the club.
Im jus worried if we do appoint him then what players will he spend his transfer budget on? Pensioners??! Aye right! Will be like the Dalglish days all over again!
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
I FOR ONE DON’T WANT SAM AS MANAGER, I DON’T LIKE THE BLOKE, NEVER HAVE DONE, HOWEVER, IF AS SEEMS INEVITABLE HE DOES TAKE OVER, WE MUST ALL UNITE AND BACK HIM PASSIONATELY 100% AND GIVE HIM TIME TO DO HIS JOB, AT LEAST THREE YEARS. THIS IS FREDDIE’S LAST THROW OF THE DICE, LETS HOPE HE ROLLS A DOUBLE SIX!!!
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Once a mackem? Arthur Cox was Bob Stokoes’ assistant in 1973, and a good manager of NUFC.
Those bung allegations? Are exactly that. I doubt SA is any more or less virtuous than your average pl manager.
Long ball football? We’ve been playing aimless long balls for three seasons, long balls with a sense of purpose would be a big improvement.
Like or not, it looks like SA is going to be in charge as NUFC lumbers into the last chance saloon. Supporters have to back him 100%.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Just a note from NUFC.com
Glenn Roeder’s dreadful run of results ultimately proved his undoing and few would argue that he deserved to keep his job based on what was certainly relegation form over his final 16 games:
P16 W4 D5 L7 Pts 17
So why on earth would anyone even contemplate employing a manager whose form over the same 16 games reads:
P16 W4 D4 L8 Pts 16
So who is that manager? Could it be one of the relegated duo Aidy Boothroyd or Alan Pardew? No, it’s Sam Allardyce - seemingly our next manager….
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
If you’re expecting instant success then it doesn’t always work like that. Bolton flirted with relegation and have taken a few years to become established. If Sam takes over, which I believe would be good for us, then he needs time and support. I will be really peeved if we finish next season in 11th and people want him axed. Of course he might not want the job.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Appointing Sam Allardyce is just going to lead to another season of total shiteness, possible relegation and Big Sam being sacked by the end of the season. NUFCs problems are very obvious. Shepherd has appointed 2 shite mangers in a row and is now going for a 3rd. Steve McLaren is arguably one of the worst football managers alive today (racking up a 7-1 defeat to Arsennal for the Boro etc. ) and even he managed to get the England job ahead of Sam Allardyce just because he was English. Well so is Allardyce and he didn’t get it…what does that tell you. The man is a mediocre manager at best. Fundamentally though, it must surely be blinding obvious to all NUFC supporters that the NUFC players couldn’t give a flying fuck about NUFC as long as they get their disgusting high wages week in week out for doing ….lets face it………absolutely fuck all!! They must think the people of Newcastle are absolute mugs. Any new manager should get rid of the entire 1st team bar Given, Taylor and maybe 1 or 2 others and all replacements should be less famous hungrier players on contacts with small basic wages and big incentives and bonus for wins. Keane has a shite squad at Sunderland but i’ll bet both my testicles they’ll finish well above NUFC next season.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Listening to the comments flying around over the appointment of SA as toon manager. I think a dose of realism is required.
Firstly what top class managers out there are available?….Ericson/ Maclaren has been touted? The mackems would die laughing if one of those two failures were given the job.
Ranieri?…he could’nt pick the same team 2 weeks running at chelsea.
Scolari? had the most talented team in the world cup but failed to win it.
I am not a fan of Boltons style of play but with the resorces he will have available at newcastle I think SA will bring newcastle success.
So bring on Sam…… the sooner the better.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Well. I’ve mentioned his CV to no avail. As a parting comment to this debate an I just say: No, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no………………………….
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
I think Sam will stabalise the club and mayby get us to 4th max. But then that is when we need someone like Mourinho or Scolari to come in to take us for the title. Sams a good manager, but I think 4th/ 3rd is his best.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
All these people talking about mourinho and capello are either deluded or stupid. Exactly who do you think we are? A few years back after SBR I thought Allardyce would have been the wrong way to go, but Souness!? Roeder!? I think a few years later Allardyce is the right way to go, probably the only way to go, and we should be feel lucky to get him if he comes. I think some of you need to take a reality check.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
Allardyce has been successful at every club he‘s managed. I expect those who think we should ‘go for Van Gaal’ would dismiss his achievements at Notts County and Blackpool, but getting it right at four different clubs in four different leagues takes some doing.
Bolton haven’t had it so good since the days of Nat Lofthouse, and under his stewardship the other Magpies won the division three title by a record 17 points… it’s a good omen?
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
For me Big Sam all day long, although highly unlikely i think if allardyce could lure the real special one ‘Sir’ Shearer in as his no 2 that would be a perfect situation. Purely because allardyce is very good tactically and shearer at the same time as earning respect of the players will learn a lot off of allardyce.
P.S. all of you that think that newcastle are still a world class team that can get the likes of hitzfeld, hiddink, mourinho etc. WAKE UP FOR FUCKS SAKE!! we are staring 16th place square in the eye.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
I’m kinda curious what changes he’ll make, or whoever it is that comes in, what the players will make of them. Will he get rid of alot of the players who really haven’t been up to much or what like? Like with our luck no doubht that the players that he’ll get rid of will shine in a different team. Will the signings be a flop or a major success. Will the likes of Owen, Given, Martins, Parker..etc, leave if they get better offers? Someone comming in from the outside it doesn’t allways sit well with some of the players. I’ve seen it happen time and time again.
Some people just don’t like or want change. Ya obviously something has to change like thats what the fans want especially with Sunderland doing so well. What was a team of gloom and doom is now a team with so much will power, motivaion and confidence and Newcastle now look like the sorrier of the tow with Sunderland after kicking down the door and leaping back into the premiership, they’re on an up and Newcastle under Roeder were spiraling down out of controll. The changes in Sunderland, thats all down to 1 man Roy Keane. Ya fine I don’t think you could find anyone that could match is charisma and passion..etc. They hit the jackpot when he came because not only has he turned out to be an amazing manager but he’ll atract more and more players like, he’s links and will use everything every link, every conection to get good players this season. I don’t really blame Roeder, he did his best under extreme circumstances, who could of done better with a team that was down to the bone in players. But we need someone who can lift the team and give the city back it’s confidence and pride and maybe get us challenging for a European place next year.
Will the new guy give us it..who knows we’ll have to wait and see. Change is a funny thing, it can make situations better or worse, we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Last 16 Premiership Games:
Roeder: P16 W4 D5 L7 Pts 17
Guess Who?
P16 W4 D4 L8 Pts 16 Yes Sam the Man.
On form who should be the next manager at SJP?
Spot on Big Sam (I’ll resign before I’m sacked)Alladyce.
Welcome to Fred’s yellow boardroom, you’ll fit in superbly.
It makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Edited, howay man you’ll get us closed down*
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
i think shearer could do well because what has changed since the end of last season when we had the 3rd best win record since roader came back? the only thing is that roader does not have shearer helping. people say that it is down to the injuries but we had the same amout of injuries last year.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Errrrr, No thanks to Sam. Keep looking Freddy, something good’ll turn up. Go foreign - i’ve heard that they make the players train like mad in Spain - maybe we could adopt the same policy here.
Newcastle have lacked technique (aswell as tactical abilities) this season :- the first touch, passing and movement that other sides have used against us has not been returned. I dont know what happened on the training ground this season but im guessing that is the root of the problems.
The side played negative football all season and the goal scoring stats showed that - managers should be looking back to the Keegan years and analysing the style of play that we adopted when we were finishing 2nd in the league.
In this day managers stick to their own preferred style of play (regardless of which team they are managing) and big Sam tends to go for the long ball style - this style of play doesnt work anymore against big teams like Man Utd.
Because of English club’s success of late in the European competitions, foreign eyes are focusing on English clubs. Foreign players are attracted to playing football in england (dispite the cold). Managers are also interested in Managing clubs in top flight english football. Try a foreign manager.
Freddy, we need a motivational manager - someone who can motivate the lads to believe they can win games. I would love to see some exciting football next season instead of the desperate, careless, guttless displays that i’ve seen this season.
Maybe keep tabs on Mourinho to see what he wants to do if he gets sacked from Chelsea - but sadly he wouldnt have £200m to play with this time :-) but thats life !
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
I,m all of a sudden excited about the new season. Roeder had to go and at last we get to appoint a new manager with a full pre season in front of him. If it is Big Sam then great! Hes a man manager and motivator just like our loved Mr Keegan and that is what we need at the toon. First job on the pitch is surely to get rid of the dead wood that is piled high. Bramble has mugged the last 3 managers, surely not a 4th? He must go. Carr,Babayaro,Moore and the kid on loan all have to leave. Make sure Owen stays and have a back bone of Given,Taylor,Milner,Zog,Owen,Martins and build around that, for me anyone else is for sale.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Hiya & g’day from Australia! I happened to be in Newcastle for Roeder’s first match in charge (v Portsmouth)& i still have some of the local papers where the main topic of discussion was who do we get to replace Souness.Big Sam’s name was mentioned as was Martin O’Neill & Alan Curbishley & Sven of course & to be honest i was okay with Glenn’s appointment as he did an okay job towards the end of last season but his constant changing of the defence & continued use of Bramble & Carr (& Nobby too,i guess) was baffling so we need someone to stregthen the defence ‘cos it’s been crap for years.It’s frustrating to see how well Woodgate has fitted in at Boro as well as a whole swag of ex-Newcastle players we’ve let go who seem to excel at their new club.
If i lived on Tyneside & had a season ticket i’d never not renew it whoever was in charge.The Aussie Rules team i follow here have had more downs than ups but you stick with them whatever happens.
And finally,best wishes to Sir Bobby.I’m still mourning the decision to sack him!!
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I dont no why so many people are concerned about hiring him, he is defintly the best manager we could have since bobby robson.
The info above says it all tbh, the excuses people are using are petty minded and they have not looked into it properly.
Although i would prefer a better bigger manager, more experienced etc, i think sam good do the job, if he manages to find the RIGHT staff to help him out, the current backroom staff at sjp are aload of wasters like the players on the pitch, and need to be fired !
Get Sam
Fire all backroom staff !
let sam get his own choosing in his staff !
give him decent sized, transfer kity [ not to much, he works better with limits ]
and i think Newcastle will start to turn things around, cnt wait for new season if he becomes manager !
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
dont know why nufc fans have a downer on big sam,
surely he,s the man to bring some much needed stability.
everybodys always going on about attacking football,it has been proved that hari kiri style does not cut it in the prem anymore.
tottenham hotspurs are testiment to that fact.
defensive orginized sides that build from the back win trophy,s.
fans have to realize this or nufc will never win anything.
hopefully sam will be given the time and money to get it right.
success is built on solid foundations,not sand that seems to be the case at sjp for far too long.
the club needs a long term plan,instead of the knee jerk panic quick fixes of years gone by.
the new manager will have to come in and weed out the trash that are getting away with murder,at this current time.
people like dyer,who have been at the club for 8 or nine years,and flatter to deceive have to go.
titus bramble the alleged centre half,who continues to make school boy errors has to go .
for someone who,s been plying their so called trade for as long as he has,should be able to concentrate for ninety minutes of a game.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 11:49 am
While he may not have won much Allardyce does tend to get the best out of his players, regardless of who he played for.
So if he comes in it would make sense that he’d at least make his own assessment before offloading the likes of Duff, Parker and Dyer (and even Luque)
Could it be that Sam actually knows how to play people to their strengths and make the most of them? I think that’s the whole point here.
What has he won? Nothing. How much money has he had to buy decent players? Sod all.
Even if he just sticks with what we’ve got he has to be able to do better than the last 2 managers that we’ve had.
Souness and Roeder have managed to take quality players and flog ‘em to death.
Personally I’d settle for Sam, but I still think that you can’t beat Sven Bonking Everything for his record in various leagues - and even from an international point of view he only lost 4 competitive matches.
I’m surprised no-one has suggested Lee Clark
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 10:14 am
I think some of us need to put things in perspective here, God couldn’t help us to challenge for the title in the next five years!
Allardyce has proven himself with Bolton as an excellent Premiership manager, and wouldn’t we be happy with a top six finish in the next couple of years and a cup final? I think we’d all be delighted with that after Souness and this season with Roeder.
So stop these aspirations of getting in Mourinho, Capello and the other ridiculous names being thrown around, we haven’t got a hope in hell of getting any of them, I think Sam would do a good job of getting our club back towards where we belong.
Much better Sam than a gamble on a foreign manager who probably isn’t even any better than him anyway, look at foreign players who come over to the Premiership and fail to adapt (Luque anyone?)
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:23 am
The first training session under “big Sam” - “right lads line up and see who can take the longest throw in”
Good grief its come to this.
I am seriously not considering renewing my season ticket if Allardyce becomes our mananger.
And can anyone remind me why Kevin Bond was sacked again ?
Panorama anyone ?
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 9:06 am
GET SHEARER IN NOW.
He thinks he owns the club so give the chance and see if he has the balls.
lol
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 8:21 am
Greg,
You are talking up a manager who has finished between 6th and 17th (possibly 5th this year) in 6 years, who has lost two league cup finals and that is his CV
Why would HE turn us into a side that would challenge for the Premiership, remember you are asking him to compete on the same level as SAF, JM, RB and AW, do you really think he can do this
I honestly believe that NUFC should take a radical step and appoint a guy who is sucessful but hasn’t coached in the Prem yet…there are a few of them about who have said this is where they would like to take their careers
Jeez we have seen the board get it wrong on numerous occassions since Joe Harvey left
If we do appoint SA then good luck to him, I won’t buy into this ex-SMB crap (as long as he doesn’t do to us what Lawrie McMenemy did to them) but I think we all need to get used to the fact that there is more than one option and the club need to consider this fact, som of them blow SA out of the water and if they are not considered then we are fools being led by fools
HTL
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 5:46 am
I notice how alot of people say bring in someone who has won something, do dalglish, souness and gullit ring a bell, between the 3 of them they had won nearly every trophy there is to win, yet what good did that do for newcastle, zilch, nothing, not a thing.
I also notice outlaw rejects sam and throws out claudio ranieri with out any pro’s or con’s for the two, at least give some relative feed back instead of errrrr no thanks.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 4:29 am
As much as Freddy Shepherd hasn’t exactly made the best decisions as a chairman, the one thing he is good at doing is giving them money. I do feel he does try to get in the spotlight a bit to much though.
If Sam does take over I will not mind. Although it would be sad to see players leave that he doesn’t want, if we don’t let him change the team to how he likes it then I can’t seeing much success.
Im definitely not a fan who expects a trophy every year, infact, I was pretty prepared to be patient with Roeder for the next few years which is dissapointing now, but I wouldn’t mind being patient once again for the new manager.
Sam and Sven seem the top two for me right now, but really does depend if they even want to manage newcastle.
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 3:09 am
Getting back to what counts - results.
Sacked at WBA as ass manager
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 1:21 am
I agree that Big Sam could be an excellent choice. Anyone who thinks it might be a bit like when we appointed Souness is very wrong.
But I wouldn’t want him to get rid of attacking stars we have though, if he were appointed. Instead any good manager should get the best out of them and he could combine the grit of Bolton with the flare that we potentially have at the Toon.
p.s - I totally disagree that we’ll never win anything with Freddie Shepherd as chairman. I’m not a fan of his by any means, but chairmen become more invisible the better their manager does for them. FS doesn’t have to have any negative effect on the performances if a manager does well enough
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 12:34 am
Alot of people have said, bring in sam….. why not…. excellent manager, maybes this time we can actually win somthing with him.
Problem is not the manager though, there is a rotten apple somewhere in st james, and it needs to be identified then took out…. my bets are on sheppard, but then again…. hes gave us any amounts of cash to bring new stuff to st james…… and wats happened……. FLOPS…. all flops…
It’s about time we had a change, and lets hope sam can do things for the best.
BRING ON SUNDERLAND NEXT SEASON & THANKS FOR THEM 6 POINTS
Peace
Sent in on: May 8th, 2007 at 12:16 am
First things first, we’ll never be a major force as long as Shepherd is in charge - but that’s another debate altogether!
I was dead against the appointment of Allardyce after Sir Bobby was sacked, a complete step backwards I thought. How times have changed!! Whilst I don’t like the bloke nobody can knock him for what he’s done at Bolton, and who says attacking attractive football wins things? Chelsea are hardly the most entertaining team around, and Man Utd don’t hold a candle to Arsenal on their day but I know who I’d rather support!
It’s a myth about Newcastle fans demanding attractive football. Personally I haven’t seen a season of consistent great football since the year we qualified for the Champions League under Bobby.
If anyone can sort out and motivate the dead wood we have at our club, it’s Allardyce.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
the lad’s got it spot on !
any idiot that starts throwing around the ex makem bullshit is as bad as the 2-1 t-shirt wearing arseholes themselves.
ive more of a problem with his extra large head than that.
long ball? ask speed,stellios,diouf…they can play it around,not forgetting nolan.
lets drop the big sam thing it sounds shite,let’s just get the bloke in to sort the bunch of con artists, that have ripped us off for long enough…. out.your first dyer.
all the best to glen,soz mate you were probably forced into it anyway,to save fred a few bob.
you will always be remembered as a good captain, a decent player(and if i can be a little makemy) the man that humped them lot 4-1.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
Allardyce would be good for us, he started using Mourinho’s tactics before Mourinho did! If he was called Samuel Allardichio, everyone would hail him as a tactical, technical, european genius.
He would give us proper organisation, tactics, preparation and everything that is currently lacking from our current “coaching” setup.
And as for shit football, we already play shit football! Allardyce would realise the futility of aimlessly hoofing long balls vaguely in the direction of two small, pacey strikers with their backs to goal! Something that Roeder, Terry Mac, Bramble etc don’t seemed to have grasped. And I’m sure Allardyce wouldn’t have Owen dropping deep into midfield or out wide just to get the bloody ball as we did against Reading and Blackburn. Christ at one point on Saturday Owen was playing through balls to Parker and Dyer!!!
There are many good reasons for giving Allardyce the job, the sort of person objects to him is probably the sort who make me cringe when I see them on Skysports news hanging around SJP when there’s not a match for weeks just to get their face on the gogglebox and spout brain dead statements like “Howay get Keegan and Shearer back man like!” Ignoring the fact that Keegan left because of Shepherd and Shearer has yet to get any of his coaching badges. And anyway who the f**k are we to be so sniffy about managers? We’re not a top attraction anymore, Eriksson, Van Gaal, Capello etc aren’t interested, we’ve slipped off their radar long ago.
Of course all this is academical, as long as Fat Fred is in charge nowt will really change, Allardyce probably could get us into Europe on a regular basis, but it’d only be a matter of time before the corpulent, smug slug will undermine him and the broken record repeats itself yet again.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Just about spot on HTT, although you fail to mention the most important factor. Sam Allardayce will change the way we think about football as a club behind the scenes, bringing to the toon a level of professionalism that has been sadly lacking for a long time. Bring on the “Laptop Manager”.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
What has he won? Nothing.
I’m not saying he is hopeless, but he is another gamble. Get some one in who knows how to win.
I’d be happy with Gus, Claudio, the special one, Sven… All have proven they can win, Sam has done well, and it may be possible that he might do even better with resources, but at the very best you’d have to say it’s a gamble.
We’d be hiring another manager that no top club would have on their list, another manager who has won nothing in his life. So at best, it’s a gamble.
Now I doubt we could get the special one or Gus…
So of the readily available managers it’s a choice between Sven, Claudio and Sam…
Look at each of thier records, I’d go with Sven, then Claudio….. Then I’d look around a bit more.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Ranieri please!
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
New board first please
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
parker should play holding not attacking, unfair for u to judge him, he’s been injured so many times, and everytime he comes back he looks good but not his best better than some like carr or some that wont even turn up.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:36 pm
Spot on mate, bring in Allardyce!!!
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Thought I’d briefly point out:
Lee Clark has played more games for Sunderland than Sam Allardyce.
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
seconded
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Err! No thanks!
Sent in on: May 7th, 2007 at 9:25 pm