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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2007, 03:07:01 PM » |
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Vast vast vast sums of "tax" are wasted on tiers and tiers of innefectual and self-perpetuating governing classes who do basically almost nil for our society.
There should be no tax and only healthcare premium (stamp or whatever) on people earning less than £22k end of story.
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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2007, 03:15:48 PM » |
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Vast vast vast sums of "tax" are wasted on tiers and tiers of innefectual and self-perpetuating governing classes who do basically almost nil for our society.
There should be no tax and only healthcare premium (stamp or whatever) on people earning less than £22k end of story.
Yep. That should pretty much ensure the benefits-poverty trap is smashed forever, Parky. |
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« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2007, 03:20:24 PM » |
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As I've stated before I don't believe in taxing people.
How Republican of you. ...sorry missed out the bit about free healthcare and public transport. ....and the subsequent financial collapse of the Parky States of Wishful-thinking. Rubbish. "I have shalll have a fishy on a little dishy..." France tried free healthcare and cheap public transport and its about to bankrupt them. Explain how this wouldnt happen with no taxes and free public services. |
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« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2007, 03:23:23 PM » |
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As I've stated before I don't believe in taxing people.
How Republican of you. ...sorry missed out the bit about free healthcare and public transport. ....and the subsequent financial collapse of the Parky States of Wishful-thinking. Rubbish. "I have shalll have a fishy on a little dishy..." France tried free healthcare and cheap public transport and its about to bankrupt them. Explain how this wouldnt happen with no taxes and free public services. I've done countless times before and I reckon you quite like the idea and could probably work it out better than me. |
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« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2007, 03:28:12 PM » |
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Vast vast vast sums of "tax" are wasted on tiers and tiers of innefectual and self-perpetuating governing classes who do basically almost nil for our society.
The Iron Rule of Oligarchy. |
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« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2007, 03:32:02 PM » |
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PRIVATISE EVERYTHING!!!!!
Or put up with less than efficient public sector provision.
Its nonsense to say on the one hand that everything should be free (therefore no profit to drive private investment) and on the other castigate the efficiency of public sector institutions.
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« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2007, 03:34:18 PM » |
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Vast vast vast sums of "tax" are wasted on tiers and tiers of innefectual and self-perpetuating governing classes who do basically almost nil for our society.
There should be no tax and only healthcare premium (stamp or whatever) on people earning less than £22k end of story.
police? defence?? Roads??? or are you willign to pay as you go "Excuse me I would like to pay for 10% of a Leopard Tank today to stop Mr Putin"" |
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« Reply #57 on: October 26, 2007, 03:37:26 PM » |
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Vast vast vast sums of "tax" are wasted on tiers and tiers of innefectual and self-perpetuating governing classes who do basically almost nil for our society.
There should be no tax and only healthcare premium (stamp or whatever) on people earning less than £22k end of story.
police? defence?? Roads??? or are you willign to pay as you go "Excuse me I would like to pay for 10% of a Leopard Tank today to stop Mr Putin"" I'd say there is too much of all three and regulations my god...a new one every week...Overspend, wastage, the public purse is continually abused and more and more sneak taxes come online. You want a revolution? Lets take a close look at tax. Putin has no interest in England why would he? Here's an idea...Get the unemployed to build the roads and do ancilary work in hospitals and Govt agencies...There is about a million of them sitting around.  |
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« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2007, 04:01:37 PM » |
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There was some Austrian who had the same idea IIRC
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« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2007, 04:03:13 PM » |
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There was some Austrian who had the same idea IIRC
The quickest way to cut Govt is to give them less tax to piss about with. FACT. |
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« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2007, 04:18:54 PM » |
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There was some Austrian who had the same idea IIRC The Govenor of California? |
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« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2007, 04:20:42 PM » |
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There was some Austrian who had the same idea IIRC
I presume you mean Joerg Haider? |
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« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2007, 04:29:55 PM » |
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YOu know if you guys and you're all bright used your noddles we could think our way round this... Tax poncey fizzy waters  and don't tax water (local)...Tax electricity higher than gas (it's a longer process to make leccy)..Tax petrol and not hydrogen cars...Don't order 3 aircraft carriers (wtf are they for?)..Tax the f*** out of people with 2 houses and 2 cars...Don't tax wealth producers like small business...yada yada...Tax companies (especially banks) making obsecene profits... In the main cut (manage) direct taxation and let people keep their money...It ultimately is the biggest incentive there is.... |
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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2007, 06:52:42 PM » |
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What is the rationale behind a move to impose a taxing system in countries? The world we live in today is based on human rights which are grounded in the principles of freedom and choice, so based on that, why should someone be forced to pay money to the rest of his countrymen?
I've heard people say 'it's because they have to give back to the society - without it they would never be as well off as they are now'. That's wrong. Society doesn't give you anything that it wouldn't give to everyone else, so why should you now, after using the tools are your disposal to make a decent earning, pay money that benefits the undeserved? Why shouldn't no tax be the norm? The people currently earning money are earning because of their ingenuity, intelligence and probably a bit of luck - but those aren't things that people should have to pay to have and use. People should not have to pay because they are smart, or more skillful than their colleagues, or any other attribute which would otherwise be considered a 'positive' one.
Another argument I've heard is that they should contribute to the society because they are experiencing the benefits. This is a weak argument - you are not be experiencing the benefits of paying taxes because the money you pay will be heading towards things such as pensions, social security, public transportation, healthcare, education etc - things which a person would not depend on.
A similar line of argument follows from the above by people saying that people well-off should be trying to help the underprivileged, foster care in the community and develop communities - opinions which I disagree with - however, isn't the point of a tax self-defeating if this is the ultimate goal? How is a person supposed to feel if they are forced to do something? It'd be like being forced to do charity - something which would certainly not foster care in the community or encourage a situation where the well-off would want to help the underprivileged.
So, what is the rationale behind progressive taxes? And is it justifiable?
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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2007, 07:22:52 PM » |
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"The world we live in today is based on human rights which are grounded in the principles of freedom and choice, so based on that, why should someone be forced to pay more money if he earns more than the rest of his countrymen?"
there's your problem right there, we do not live in a completely free society, and never will, it wouldn't work.
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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2007, 11:43:30 PM » |
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If we got prisoners to actually do something bar fill up old buildings then they might be of some f****** use.
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« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2007, 03:43:26 AM » |
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Don't order 3 aircraft carriers (wtf are they for?)..
Jobs for the people that build them. |
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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2007, 10:12:11 AM » |
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Don't order 3 aircraft carriers (wtf are they for?)..
Jobs for the people that build them. Waste of money. |
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« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2007, 10:20:39 AM » |
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Don't order 3 aircraft carriers (wtf are they for?)..
Jobs for the people that build them. Was it a Pratchett book where a town solved unemployment by hiring some people to dig holes and others to go around filling them in? |
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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2007, 10:40:45 AM » |
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I'm glad I'm outside the UK tax net now. The amount of pointless red tape with the Inland Revenue is staggering. They waste their time on pointless investigation whilst the real tax evaders and piss-takers get away scott free. The misuse and misdirection of Inland Revenue resources is a disgrace. Much like the Child Support Agency, which has been a farce from beginning to end. The British tax system is a complete and utter mess and no-one will do anything about it because it's too political an issue. The Revenue is staffed with many dedicated and highly skilled people but they're led by idiots and treated like s***, and as a result they're totally demoralised. No wonder most of them are leaving in droves or hanging on for their pensions.
Anyway, in answer to the original post, I would say it depends on whether you think rich people have a moral responsibility to make a greater contribution to 'society' because they can afford to. I would say they do.
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2007, 01:09:27 PM » |
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Don't order 3 aircraft carriers (wtf are they for?)..
Jobs for the people that build them. Waste of money. not if you work in the shipyard............ |
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