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« on: October 22, 2007, 01:58:55 PM »

Parents of obese children to get warning letters

By Sophie Borland
Last Updated: 8:55am BST 22/10/2007

Parents of overweight children are to be sent official warning letters as part of new plans to tackle obesity, it has emerged.

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Alan Johnson, the Health Secretary, believes it is in the best interests of the parents if they are told that their children are dangerously overweight.

The controversial proposals follow a national weighing programme, which was introduced in schools two years ago in a bid to tackle the growing problem of obesity among children.

At the time, ministers decided not to introduce the warning letters as it was thought that it would spark outrage amongst parents.

The weighing programme was not well received during its first year and as many schools did not take part, the statistics were deemed to be useless.

Last year the participation levels were much improved, however, with the weights of almost a million children being collected as a result of every primary care trust in England and Wales taking part.




Nanny state or health debate?
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 02:03:48 PM »

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Its becoming more and more clear that some people clearly cant look after themselves and cant look after their kids.  So, sadly the state will have to manage thier lives for them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 02:04:15 PM »

I think when it comes to children the phrase 'nanny state' is not applicable as children by definition need some form of nannying.
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 02:06:32 PM »

When the only incentive families have been given over the last two or three decades is think about yourself and forget about others and keep consuming the high life, it's a bit rich to then step in and start expecting people to have an overview.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 02:18:22 PM »

The parents are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I think the kids directly should be schooled about health and nutrition. Peer pressure and degradation from an early age is the way to go. The next generation will be neurotic but healthy. Their kids should then be well balanced.

It’s too late for the parents, their habits have been set. The school spend more time engaging with the kids than the parents do, so they may as well indoctrinate them.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 02:22:57 PM »

The parents are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I think the kids directly should be schooled about health and nutrition. Peer pressure and degradation from an early age is the way to go. The next generation will be neurotic but healthy. Their kids should then be well balanced.

It’s too late for the parents, their habits have been set. The school spend more time engaging with the kids than the parents do, so they may as well indoctrinate them.

Quite a dangerous road there.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 02:28:19 PM »

How is sending a letter going to help? And how the hell is this letter going to look?!

Dear Mam and Dad, little Billy Bunter is fat, please stop feeding him s****... etc.

I think the parents will have realised before the letter arrives if their kids are overweight. Another barmy idea that will no doubt end up costing loads of money training teachers how to assess obesity levels and will clearly fail. :roll:
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 02:31:02 PM »

How is sending a letter going to help? And how the hell is this letter going to look?!

Dear Mam and Dad, little Billy Bunter is fat, please stop feeding him s****... etc.

I think the parents will have realised before the letter arrives if their kids are overweight. Another barmy idea that will no doubt end up costing loads of money training teachers how to assess obesity levels and will clearly fail. :roll:

I reckon they're tinkering with the idea of a fat tax or tax on fat foods. Mark my words.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 02:32:00 PM »

Let the teachers pick on the pork meisters, let them call out in the register 'Fat Frankie' or 'Two Ton Tony'

They'll soon lose the weight.


In all seriousness I'm behind this in theory, however the majority of paretns will no doubt respond with a shrug of the shoulders and 'its puppy fat, it will fall off', no doubt as they serve up another deep fried TV dinner to the aforementioned Two Ton Tony as he plays Fifa 08 on his PS3 - well he's playing football aint he.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 02:34:09 PM »

Let the teachers pick on the pork meisters, let them call out in the register 'Fat Frankie' or 'Two Ton Tony'

They'll soon lose the weight.


In all seriousness I'm behind this in theory, however the majority of paretns will no doubt respond with a shrug of the shoulders and 'its puppy fat, it will fall off', no doubt as they serve up another deep fried TV dinner to the aforementioned Two Ton Tony as he plays Fifa 08 on his PS3 - well he's playing football aint he.




Western Govt have taken a lot of time and cunning to make society passive and NOW they have the cheek to complain the kids are getting fat!!!

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 02:35:46 PM »

How is sending a letter going to help? And how the hell is this letter going to look?!

Dear Mam and Dad, little Billy Bunter is fat, please stop feeding him s****... etc.

I think the parents will have realised before the letter arrives if their kids are overweight. Another barmy idea that will no doubt end up costing loads of money training teachers how to assess obesity levels and will clearly fail. :roll:

I reckon they're tinkering with the idea of a fat tax or tax on fat foods. Mark my words.

I'd be all for this if *some* of the tax was used to subsidise fruit and veg.

No doubt it will be used to fund another pointless Quango or something though
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 02:37:27 PM »

They are already talking about introducing "fat tax" on  what is deemed unhealthy fatty food. I wouldn't be so against this if the result of this was to subsidise so called "healthy" foods.

I'm personally pretty strict with what I eat nowadays and it's not cheap, if I had kids and was on a tight budget there may be no option to buy all the cheap junk food you can get hold of now, no wonder the kids are fat.

Having said that, I must have grown up on chips and gravy at school but was never overwight, all about moderation.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 02:38:12 PM »

How is sending a letter going to help? And how the hell is this letter going to look?!

Dear Mam and Dad, little Billy Bunter is fat, please stop feeding him s****... etc.

I think the parents will have realised before the letter arrives if their kids are overweight. Another barmy idea that will no doubt end up costing loads of money training teachers how to assess obesity levels and will clearly fail. :roll:

I reckon they're tinkering with the idea of a fat tax or tax on fat foods. Mark my words.

I'd be all for this if *some* of the tax was used to subsidise fruit and veg.

No doubt it will be used to fund another pointless Quango or something though


Of course it will and another middle class mumbler from Camden or Notting Hill will get to set up a 'think tank' and pay themselves and thier mates £100,000 a year.  {$default_roll_eyes_smiley}  I love it when govts make out they give a s***. Cry laughing
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 02:39:42 PM »

The parents are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I think the kids directly should be schooled about health and nutrition. Peer pressure and degradation from an early age is the way to go. The next generation will be neurotic but healthy. Their kids should then be well balanced.

It’s too late for the parents, their habits have been set. The school spend more time engaging with the kids than the parents do, so they may as well indoctrinate them.

Quite a dangerous road there.

Not especially. That's kind of the role of schools... they're there to educate. They're supposed to be shaping young minds.  Might as well teach something worth learning.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 02:41:28 PM »

The parents are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I think the kids directly should be schooled about health and nutrition. Peer pressure and degradation from an early age is the way to go. The next generation will be neurotic but healthy. Their kids should then be well balanced.

It’s too late for the parents, their habits have been set. The school spend more time engaging with the kids than the parents do, so they may as well indoctrinate them.

Quite a dangerous road there.

Not especially. That's kind of the role of schools... they're there to educate. They're supposed to be shaping young minds.  Might as well teach something worth learning.

I think the idea of schools being there to educate went out of fashion in the 60's.

It's all about passing artificial exams now and quotas.

Education is too radical. Laughing
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 02:45:49 PM »

Let the teachers pick on the pork meisters, let them call out in the register 'Fat Frankie' or 'Two Ton Tony'

They'll soon lose the weight.


In all seriousness I'm behind this in theory, however the majority of paretns will no doubt respond with a shrug of the shoulders and 'its puppy fat, it will fall off', no doubt as they serve up another deep fried TV dinner to the aforementioned Two Ton Tony as he plays Fifa 08 on his PS3 - well he's playing football aint he.


I think obesity levels are largely down to modern lifestlye of kids, continuing shift of focus from sports and P.E within state schools is only a drop in the Ocean but it isn't helping. Outdoor pursuits seem to be no longer promoted and the shift of attention seems to be getting the kids indoors nowadays whether it's to keep them out of trouble, or if they're actually supposed to be causing trouble. There was some "stat" that there were supposed to be more fat kids at the state schools if compared alongside the Public / Grammar schools. Not sure how accurate this is but these places often really push for sporting achievement and successful teams / players are rewarded and held in high regard... This is something that needs to be happening at all levels, although I suppose the financial backing is the problem.
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 02:46:15 PM »

The parents are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I think the kids directly should be schooled about health and nutrition. Peer pressure and degradation from an early age is the way to go. The next generation will be neurotic but healthy. Their kids should then be well balanced.

It’s too late for the parents, their habits have been set. The school spend more time engaging with the kids than the parents do, so they may as well indoctrinate them.

Quite a dangerous road there.

Not especially. That's kind of the role of schools... they're there to educate. They're supposed to be shaping young minds.  Might as well teach something worth learning.

I think the idea of schools being there to educate went out of fashion in the 60's.

It's all about passing artificial exams now and quotas.

Education is too radical. Laughing

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 02:51:34 PM »

Some good points.

Ultimately it is the parents' responsibility but, as others have alluded to, are they going to change their habits just because some stuck-up obnoxious t*** (which most teachers are, from memory) sends them a letter saying "your child is a lazy fat b@stard"?  I doubt it.

I'm not sure about the fat-tax thing either.  That just sounds like another money-grabbing ploy to me.  I don't eat a lot of veg but I eat some fruit and I try to eat a reasonably balanced diet which does include the occasional king-rib supper or donner kebab.  But then I play football four times a week.  I don't see why I should be hit in the pocket when i'm the correct weight for my height.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 03:05:38 PM »

Some good points.

Ultimately it is the parents' responsibility but, as others have alluded to, are they going to change their habits just because some stuck-up obnoxious t*** (which most teachers are, from memory) sends them a letter saying "your child is a lazy fat b@stard"?  I doubt it.

I'm not sure about the fat-tax thing either.  That just sounds like another money-grabbing ploy to me.  I don't eat a lot of veg but I eat some fruit and I try to eat a reasonably balanced diet which does include the occasional king-rib supper or donner kebab.  But then I play football four times a week.  I don't see why I should be hit in the pocket when i'm the correct weight for my height.


Managed correctly (the tax) the majority of people would come out 'even' with a fat tax, add 5p to a Mars Bar,  take 5p from a banana etc.

Obviously some would benefit and some would lose out, but those who lose out would really only have themselves to blame. You may be the right weight for your height, but what about in 5 years time when the football diminishes to one game a week?

There's also more harm being done by our consumption of 'bad' foods than just weight - personal factors such as increased heart failures etc, economic such as increased lethargy/weakened immune systems leading to more time off.

Of course though in reality the tax wouldn't work like that, and 'good' foods wouldn't be subsidised.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2007, 03:19:28 PM »

It all boils down to f****** lazy parents who don't want to put the effort into making their kids something decent to eat and you don't have to buy expensive to do that Asians and Middle Eastern families have been doing for centuries. It's all down to corporations mind washing the brains of the ignorant people who have become so lazy in the kitchen it's easier to buy a Big Mac or a Pizza or just cook up a pot of chips, so long as the tummy is full.
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 03:31:55 PM »

It all boils down to f****** lazy parents who don't want to put the effort into making their kids something decent to eat and you don't have to buy expensive to do that Asians and Middle Eastern families have been doing for centuries. It's all down to corporations mind washing the brains of the ignorant people who have become so lazy in the kitchen it's easier to buy a Big Mac or a Pizza or just cook up a pot of chips, so long as the tummy is full.

Well this is it, I think Corporations and the state are partly to blame. Perhaps the parents have to work 5 jobs to keep up all their payments as well?
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2007, 03:33:39 PM »

Some good points.

Ultimately it is the parents' responsibility but, as others have alluded to, are they going to change their habits just because some stuck-up obnoxious t*** (which most teachers are, from memory) sends them a letter saying "your child is a lazy fat b@stard"?  I doubt it.

I'm not sure about the fat-tax thing either.  That just sounds like another money-grabbing ploy to me.  I don't eat a lot of veg but I eat some fruit and I try to eat a reasonably balanced diet which does include the occasional king-rib supper or donner kebab.  But then I play football four times a week.  I don't see why I should be hit in the pocket when i'm the correct weight for my height.


Managed correctly (the tax) the majority of people would come out 'even' with a fat tax, add 5p to a Mars Bar,  take 5p from a banana etc.

Obviously some would benefit and some would lose out, but those who lose out would really only have themselves to blame. You may be the right weight for your height, but what about in 5 years time when the football diminishes to one game a week?

There's also more harm being done by our consumption of 'bad' foods than just weight - personal factors such as increased heart failures etc, economic such as increased lethargy/weakened immune systems leading to more time off.

Of course though in reality the tax wouldn't work like that, and 'good' foods wouldn't be subsidised.


How about the Govt subsidising healthy school meals for a start...
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 03:40:46 PM »

Wasn't there a kid up here that narrowly missed being taken into care because his slobbish Sharon mother used to feed him whatever he demanded?

What would be the point of sending letters?  They wont be able to open the envelopes with those chubby little fingers. Bless.
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2007, 03:46:31 PM »

Some good points.

Ultimately it is the parents' responsibility but, as others have alluded to, are they going to change their habits just because some stuck-up obnoxious t*** (which most teachers are, from memory) sends them a letter saying "your child is a lazy fat b@stard"?  I doubt it.

I'm not sure about the fat-tax thing either.  That just sounds like another money-grabbing ploy to me.  I don't eat a lot of veg but I eat some fruit and I try to eat a reasonably balanced diet which does include the occasional king-rib supper or donner kebab.  But then I play football four times a week.  I don't see why I should be hit in the pocket when i'm the correct weight for my height.


Managed correctly (the tax) the majority of people would come out 'even' with a fat tax, add 5p to a Mars Bar,  take 5p from a banana etc.

Obviously some would benefit and some would lose out, but those who lose out would really only have themselves to blame. You may be the right weight for your height, but what about in 5 years time when the football diminishes to one game a week?

There's also more harm being done by our consumption of 'bad' foods than just weight - personal factors such as increased heart failures etc, economic such as increased lethargy/weakened immune systems leading to more time off.

Of course though in reality the tax wouldn't work like that, and 'good' foods wouldn't be subsidised.

I think your last sentence answers your first sentence.  That's why I think it's just a money-making ploy.

The bit in bold - it's not just a case of playing football.  When i'm past my best then i'll rely more on things like hillwalking to keep me fit.  The point is that I take a pride in my physical fitness, or more that I hate feeling unfit and will do anything to avoid it.  I don't think there's enough of that.  Obese people often get into a cycle of self-pity and make no effort to do anything about it.  I don't want to sound like a fitness fascist but I think some of them are just averse to the idea of physical exertion.  If they found a form of exercise that they actually enjoyed (even just for the social aspect of it) then I think that would be half the battle.
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 03:59:28 PM »

Some good points.

Ultimately it is the parents' responsibility but, as others have alluded to, are they going to change their habits just because some stuck-up obnoxious t*** (which most teachers are, from memory) sends them a letter saying "your child is a lazy fat b@stard"?  I doubt it.

I'm not sure about the fat-tax thing either.  That just sounds like another money-grabbing ploy to me.  I don't eat a lot of veg but I eat some fruit and I try to eat a reasonably balanced diet which does include the occasional king-rib supper or donner kebab.  But then I play football four times a week.  I don't see why I should be hit in the pocket when i'm the correct weight for my height.


Managed correctly (the tax) the majority of people would come out 'even' with a fat tax, add 5p to a Mars Bar,  take 5p from a banana etc.

Obviously some would benefit and some would lose out, but those who lose out would really only have themselves to blame. You may be the right weight for your height, but what about in 5 years time when the football diminishes to one game a week?

There's also more harm being done by our consumption of 'bad' foods than just weight - personal factors such as increased heart failures etc, economic such as increased lethargy/weakened immune systems leading to more time off.

Of course though in reality the tax wouldn't work like that, and 'good' foods wouldn't be subsidised.

I think your last sentence answers your first sentence.  That's why I think it's just a money-making ploy.

The bit in bold - it's not just a case of playing football.  When i'm past my best then i'll rely more on things like hillwalking to keep me fit.  The point is that I take a pride in my physical fitness, or more that I hate feeling unfit and will do anything to avoid it.  I don't think there's enough of that.  Obese people often get into a cycle of self-pity and make no effort to do anything about it.  I don't want to sound like a fitness fascist but I think some of them are just averse to the idea of physical exertion.  If they found a form of exercise that they actually enjoyed (even just for the social aspect of it) then I think that would be half the battle.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree, and I was/am in the same boat. At uni I played football pretty much every day, can't now so have to goto the gym more etc to keep (relatively) in shape.

I cant abide those people who won't take any responsibility for their weight state then go on GMTV to complain that the NHS won't give them liposuction, you ate the food now go to the gym fatso! (genes my arse!)

I guess though a fat tax would be the same as most, I have private health care and a private dentist, why should I pay full NI? I don't have kids (yet), recycle and use the tip rather than pile up my rubbish so why should I pay full council tax? Unfortunately someone has to lose out to subsidise others (12 year old parents who want a house etc etc).

My stance remains though, if a fat tax was used to subsidise healthy foods (be it in schools or shops) then its one tax I would be willing to pay
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