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And you don't need stats to see that Dyer is s****...

in which case don't use them.

Still think Dyer would be a good impact sub. Not the best player, but can still scare the s*** out of a team when running at them in an advanced position.

I like the comparison with Waddle. At the same age there is absolutely no comparison between the abilities of Waddle and Milner.

Waddle didn't play in the top division till he was 24, and at the comparable age to Milner now he scored 7 goals in 42 2nd division league games. He was nothing special at all. Any one saying otherwise now really is making it up. Milner has so much more potential than Waddle ever had.

Milner also has a superb attitude, something that Dyer will never be accused of. Dyer can't pass, can't tackle, can't head, can't shoot and can do it at very high pace all over the pitch. Annually - "Next year he may come good"

It's funny how whenever he hasn't played for a while he's labelled a total waste of space, yet when he's fit many of the same people say he has to start.

He's a decent player and in my view he's worth more to us than his transfer fee (we'd only get a few million for him).

It's true that he's not a winger in the traditional sense of putting in crosses to a target man but I do think his most effective position in a 4-4-2 is on the right wing. Many wingers these days don't put crosses in, look at Robben for example, he gives the ball away a lot but he's a runner who scares defences. I'm not comparing Dyer to Robben but I believe he has the same attitude to the game, he likes to get the ball down and run at people and take chances, he doesn't particularly utilise high balls but he scares defenders.

Dyer was pretty good in the centre under Bobby Robson, but that was playing for a good team who dominated games more often than not. His passing isn't as bad as many here are making out. In his own half he's a very poor player because he can't put his foot on the ball and it's true that you won't catch him playing 40-yard passes either, but in the final third he is very effective and always looks for the through ball or forward pass. He needs to be playing high up the field and I think his best position would probably be wide right in a 4-3-3. That position needs pace and would be too much for Milner who would probably be better wide right in a 4-4-2 where discipline is more important.

Dyer's biggest weakness is his inconsistency, which isn't helped by his injuries. But I think Allardyce will want to utilise Dyer whenever fit, be it in the team or from the bench, because he can press defenders into mistakes and his presence will scare opposition. As much as you might want to criticise Dyer, there's a reason why every manager likes to have him around and I wouldn't be too comfortable with him playing against us.

I haven't seen him wide right in a 4-3-3 but I think it would make the best use of his talents and I wouldn't be surprised to see Allardyce use him there.

I wasn't talking to you though

Dyer should have been gone 3 years ago - no further comment necessary.

The cost of £80,000 is there, signed and sealed, there is nothing anyone can do about it. To sell him is difficult when he is on those wages so the job of a manager will be to use his assets rather than moan about his shortcomings.

James Milner is a better right winger than Kieron Dyer. But Dyer has got great pace but I don't think he is that good of a player and I wouldn't be sad to se him leave.

The way the club treated Milner last off season he could of just gone through the motions for us--telling him he could go (to Aston Villa were he was wanted and appreciated) and then pulling him back at the last minute. Still he played his ass off.

And he's going to get better.

I agree. There is scope for putting Dyer right wing and Milner left wing. Duff is out and if Zoggy and Luque continue their poor form it's an option, certainly a better idea than shoving Emre out wide which Roeder did last season.

milner could easily play left or right wing
dyer could just sit on the bench and would be happy as he gets so much money the greedy t***
i would accept a offer from £2million - anything for the lazy little d*** head