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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2007, 05:56:37 PM » |
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I don't understand the phrase 'Celebrate our differences.'
Wtf does that mean exactly? How do we 'celebrate' them?
And, what's wrong with 'celebrating' everything we have in common?
There's more of it tbh.
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2007, 05:57:53 PM » |
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both are good.  why do you think they want to introduce a britain day *cringes* |
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2007, 06:03:21 PM » |
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No one even said that, but I assume you meant my "embrace our differences".
To me, it means accepting we have differences with other races and cultures. Often you get people saying things like "we're all the same", totally ignoring blatent cultural and racial differences. I agree with also celebrating whatever we have in common, but not at the expense of ignoring any differences.
By embracing, we could stop, say, marginalising particularly Islamic and, in general, immigrant communities in general. It's this forced "we're all the exact same" idea thing that pisses a lot of people off, cause they're adamant we're not and it starts to allow resentment between peoples grow. In my opinion.
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2007, 06:07:39 PM » |
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No one even said that, but I assume you meant my "embrace our differences".
To me, it means accepting we have differences with other races and cultures. Often you get people saying things like "we're all the same", totally ignoring blatent cultural and racial differences. I agree with also celebrating whatever we have in common, but not at the expense of ignoring any differences.
By embracing, we could stop, say, marginalising particularly Islamic and, in general, immigrant communities in general. It's this forced "we're all the exact same" idea thing that pisses a lot of people off, cause they're adamant we're not and it starts to allow resentment between peoples grow. In my opinion.
Sorry, wasn't questioning anybody on here, just the phrase in general. IMO we are all more or less the same anyway. I'm suspicious of any one who wants to go to great lengths to prove how 'different' they are. |
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2007, 06:14:26 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2007, 06:28:52 PM » |
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both are good. why do you think they want to introduce a britain day *cringes* To appease the red-necks. |
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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2007, 06:36:16 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
Do you think things are better when everyone's differences are emphasised? |
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2007, 06:38:58 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
Do you think things are better when everyone's differences are emphasised? To an extent, yes. At least there's some honesty going on. I don't think it should be used for anything though, like "look at how they dress, this is disgusting, get them out!" But an acceptance that differences exist is good, and you can then start to actually learn something about another community. What's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same, exactly? |
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2007, 06:50:36 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
Do you think things are better when everyone's differences are emphasised? To an extent, yes. At least there's some honesty going on. I don't think it should be used for anything though, like "look at how they dress, this is disgusting!" But an acceptance that differences exist is good, and you can then start to actually learn something about another community. What's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same, exactly? I think the differences are often so minimal really that too much is made of them. I dress a bit different - OK I eat a bit different - Yeah I don't like loo paper - Gotcha I pray in that direction - Uhuh I like my parents music - Yep I speak a different language at home - All right Reality check. You are not in the land of your parents, you live in this city, with me. We are one society now. We are from the same place now, This Society. We are neighbours, friends, In-Laws, colleagues, spouses, etc. What really differs between the core needs of every human being? Not much imo. Not a lecture, just an opinion. |
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2007, 06:58:12 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
Do you think things are better when everyone's differences are emphasised? To an extent, yes. At least there's some honesty going on. I don't think it should be used for anything though, like "look at how they dress, this is disgusting!" But an acceptance that differences exist is good, and you can then start to actually learn something about another community. What's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same, exactly? I think the differences are often so minimal really that too much is made of them. I dress a bit different - OK I eat a bit different - Yeah I don't like loo paper - Gotcha I pray in that direction - Uhuh I like my parents music - Yep I speak a different language at home - All right Reality check. You are not in the land of your parents, you live in this city, with me. We are one society now. We are from the same place now, This Society. We are neighbours, friends, In-Laws, colleagues, spouses, etc. What really differs between the core needs of every human being? Not much imo.Not a lecture, just an opinion. I don't disagree with any of that especially the bit in bold, but again, why pretend there's no differences? They may not be major, but they exist. And what's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same? We can still live in "This Society" and still accept that we look at things in a different way. |
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The first people totalitarians destroy or silence are men of ideas and free minds.
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2007, 07:08:34 PM » |
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Better than pretending everyone around the world lives the exact same way, same life style, eating habits, religious views, cultural and traditional identities, general out look on life. Or that they even want to live the same way..
I blame Globalisation personally, and its bastardisation of the world.
Do you think things are better when everyone's differences are emphasised? To an extent, yes. At least there's some honesty going on. I don't think it should be used for anything though, like "look at how they dress, this is disgusting!" But an acceptance that differences exist is good, and you can then start to actually learn something about another community. What's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same, exactly? I think the differences are often so minimal really that too much is made of them. I dress a bit different - OK I eat a bit different - Yeah I don't like loo paper - Gotcha I pray in that direction - Uhuh I like my parents music - Yep I speak a different language at home - All right Reality check. You are not in the land of your parents, you live in this city, with me. We are one society now. We are from the same place now, This Society. We are neighbours, friends, In-Laws, colleagues, spouses, etc. What really differs between the core needs of every human being? Not much imo.Not a lecture, just an opinion. I don't disagree with any of that especially the bit in bold, but again, why pretend there's no differences? They may not be major, but they exist. And what's the point in multi-culturalism if we just act like we're all the same? We can still live in "This Society" and still accept that we look at things in a different way. Well, you're discriminating against me and my opinions already :-) Seriously, i think we both have the same idea for Social Utopia but we are focusing on different aspects. Consensus being: I'm right tbh |
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2007, 07:09:48 PM » |
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The first people totalitarians destroy or silence are men of ideas and free minds.
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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2007, 07:17:00 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2007, 07:19:16 PM » |
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Everybody is an individual, they may assign themselves and others to various groups, but the fact is they're just as likely to have similarities with people outside that group as within.
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2007, 07:31:27 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
people are inherent racists look at Blackburn, effectively two towns in one, with little if any integration |
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2007, 07:31:32 PM » |
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I'm not saying we have massive differences, Indi, but I do think we all have different cultural and traditional identities that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of basic human similarities. We all want the best for our families, I hope, and to live peaceful lives.
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The first people totalitarians destroy or silence are men of ideas and free minds.
The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2007, 07:44:44 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
people are inherent racists look at Blackburn, effectively two towns in one, with little if any integration Have you ever been to Blackburn? |
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2007, 07:46:24 PM » |
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I'm not saying we have massive differences, Indi, but I do think we all have different cultural and traditional identities that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of basic human similarities. We all want the best for our families, I hope, and to live peaceful lives.
I'm not saying that you were, bluf, I'm just talking in general terms about what I see from my own point of view, it wasn't really a response to what anyone in particular had said. |
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2007, 07:48:54 PM » |
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I'm not saying we have massive differences, Indi, but I do think we all have different cultural and traditional identities that shouldn't be ignored for the sake of basic human similarities. We all want the best for our families, I hope, and to live peaceful lives.
Your understanding differances and being inquisitive about other cultures in a positive way is how society develops. The Shamen always come from a neighbouring tribe. |
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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2007, 07:53:19 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
people are inherent racists look at Blackburn, effectively two towns in one, with little if any integration Have you ever been to Blackburn? yes |
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« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2007, 08:31:24 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
people are inherent racists look at Blackburn, effectively two towns in one, with little if any integration Have you ever been to Blackburn? yes How long for and when? |
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2007, 08:34:30 PM » |
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There's an argument that says that people find it easier to accept people's differences, if they can first see their similarities.
There are a whole load of commonly perceived barriers between people of different "communities", most of which are little more than myths. In reality, there will be people from groups that initially appear to be very different to me, who I will have much more in common with than the vast majority of people who look like me, or speak the same language as me, or whatever. Yet people still assume that these trivial difference in appearance or lifestyle, represent gaping cultural chasms that can never be bridged and never even try to see the similarities.
people are inherent racists look at Blackburn, effectively two towns in one, with little if any integration Have you ever been to Blackburn? yes How long for and when? been up for weeks at a time, but not for a few years. family friends there |
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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2007, 08:36:31 PM » |
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Why do you think it's like that then?
Real differences or imagined ones?
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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2007, 08:37:42 PM » |
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Why do you think it's like that then?
Real differences or imagined ones?
there was a documentary a few months ago, plus what Jack Straw has been saying for ages |
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Why do you think it's like that then?
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there was a documentary a few months ago, plus what Jack Straw has been saying for ages *Parky permits a rye smile as he dusts down the Straw folder.* |
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