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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2007, 12:31:10 AM » |
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The fact that the bairns were left alone in the Villa is ridiclous. They were checking on them every half hour, thats nice of them, a lot can happen in a Half hour as it did. Blatantly pissed up i reckon to make such an irresponsible decision.
Very sad news, hope she comes back unscathed
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2007, 11:37:22 AM » |
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Unfortunately stats show that if kids aren't found alive within 24 hours the chances are grim
CHances are she's within a few hundred yards of the villa
I'd start with a list of the people at the complex and see if there are any suspects on teh BRITISH police list - it has to be someone who knew she was there and her parents were on the piss = someone at the complex IMHO
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2007, 11:47:08 AM » |
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I wonder if the borders were closed fast enough.
Local police seemed bit slow off the blocks. maybe smuggled onto a yacht?? headed for africa, or north korea!
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2007, 12:47:51 PM » |
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very very unlikely
almost certainly someone in the complex - it's the usual - you are much more likely to be murdered by someone you know. whoever did this knew the lass was in and her parents were out - that can only have come to their attention in the hour or so they were eating in the tapas bar - and whatever teh Daily Mail might say i don't think the world is full of paedophiles etc who are fully equipped for this sort of thing on the off chance.
the local police were there quite quickly according to the Beeb and the first thing they did was to alert the Border Police - soemoen would have had to had a yacht on standby or a false passport and a ticket already to hand
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2007, 06:14:53 PM » |
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The former MET detective, the woman who co-presents Crimewatch, was chatting about the incident on News 24 today. Describing each minute following an abduction as crucial, she said that the Portuguese police hadn't acted for a period of 6 to 7 hours after the girl went missing.
A veritable Portuguese f**k up, and frankly I'm not surprised.
...and re. the poor girl's father, a cardiac surgeon on £100k plus, why or why didn't the tight b***ard pay for the childminding service which was available?
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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 11:49:56 AM » |
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sad to say i think this girl is probly dead by now.
tbh i think it might be better for the poor girl is she dies sooner than later........obvious some sicko got her, and she will have been tortured and raped.
if she lives she will be psychologically f***ed up for life.
tragic stuff. Portugese police looking very incompetant on the who thing.
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 12:56:26 PM » |
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Just heard that a paedophile ring moved from Britain to Portugal around 1990 - the authorities failed to arrest the entire group.
In cases where children are abused (and possibly murdered in this awful case) I'd happily see the punishment fitting the crime - paedophiles sent through the trap door on a length of rope. If one or two innocent people are accidentally on the receiving end (out of every 1,000 sent down), then so be it.
Psychological therapy for offenders, mental institutions etc, is utter folly IMHO
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2007, 01:04:21 AM » |
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Just heard that a paedophile ring moved from Britain to Portugal around 1990 - the authorities failed to arrest the entire group.
In cases where children are abused (and possibly murdered in this awful case) I'd happily see the punishment fitting the crime - paedophiles sent through the trap door on a length of rope. If one or two innocent people are accidentally on the receiving end (out of every 1,000 sent down), then so be it.
Psychological therapy for offenders, mental institutions etc, is utter folly IMHO
the only time it could be possible to murder an innocent person is if it is for the much greater good.....this wouldn't be. |
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2007, 08:28:39 AM » |
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i dont agree with hanging em
public flogging might be more appropriate tho.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2007, 06:10:53 PM » |
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Just heard that a paedophile ring moved from Britain to Portugal around 1990 - the authorities failed to arrest the entire group.
In cases where children are abused (and possibly murdered in this awful case) I'd happily see the punishment fitting the crime - paedophiles sent through the trap door on a length of rope. If one or two innocent people are accidentally on the receiving end (out of every 1,000 sent down), then so be it.
Psychological therapy for offenders, mental institutions etc, is utter folly IMHO
the only time it could be possible to murder an innocent person is if it is for the much greater good.....this wouldn't be. The chances of finding the wrong person guilty would be negligible, whereas the chances of things going horribly wrong as a result of an easy-going panel of psychologists ruling that X is ready to be released into society are a lot greater IMO. |
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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2007, 12:08:08 AM » |
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Good to see John Terry and Ronaldo making an Appeal on the News about the little girl. Even though Ronaldo was blatantly reading off an autocue.
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« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2007, 12:08:51 AM » |
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Good to see John Terry and Ronaldo making an Appeal on the News about the little girl. Even though Ronaldo was blatantly reading off an autocue.
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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2007, 01:05:13 AM » |
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Good to see John Terry and Ronaldo making an Appeal on the News about the little girl. Even though Ronaldo was blatantly reading off an autocue.
I'm suprised the English aren't trying to blame Ronaldo. |
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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2007, 10:16:56 AM » |
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Just heard that a paedophile ring moved from Britain to Portugal around 1990 - the authorities failed to arrest the entire group.
In cases where children are abused (and possibly murdered in this awful case) I'd happily see the punishment fitting the crime - paedophiles sent through the trap door on a length of rope. If one or two innocent people are accidentally on the receiving end (out of every 1,000 sent down), then so be it.
Psychological therapy for offenders, mental institutions etc, is utter folly IMHO
the only time it could be possible to murder an innocent person is if it is for the much greater good.....this wouldn't be. The chances of finding the wrong person guilty would be negligible, whereas the chances of things going horribly wrong as a result of an easy-going panel of psychologists ruling that X is ready to be released into society are a lot greater IMO. did i say release them ? i'd rather 100 guilty men in prison than 1 innocent man killed |
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2007, 11:40:38 AM » |
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Ok, if you're saying never release them that sounds good to this knacker, but our courts and prison system offer no such guarantees do they?
Out of those 100 paedophiles in prison how many might get an early release? How many might be released after receiving official (but incorrect) medical / pyschological clearance?
As a father I personally wouldn't want to take the risk with this corrupt species.
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2007, 11:31:28 PM » |
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Ok, if you're saying never release them that sounds good to this knacker, but our courts and prison system offer no such guarantees do they?
Out of those 100 paedophiles in prison how many might get an early release? How many might be released after receiving official (but incorrect) medical / pyschological clearance?
As a father I personally wouldn't want to take the risk with this corrupt species.
ok then you change the law to possibly kill innocent people,my change in the law would keep them locked away for good. |
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2007, 07:31:54 AM » |
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Difficult one - if we agree (which I think we all do) that paedophiles are not your avergae run-of-the-mill criminal and that there is something very seriously wrong intheir mental processes you either try and treat them or just bang them all up forever.
Evidence exists that some can be re-educated out of their condition and return to normal behaviour - we just have to be very careful
personally I'm worried about the number of people still out there - I can't help thinking that the Internet has allowed people who had a dark secret the opportunity to "mix" with people of a similar type and desensitise them to the views of society in general -. When you were the only potential paedo in Alnwick you bloody well kept quiet and probalably never did anything. Now you can spend hours chatting others of a similar bent and the restraints on your behaviour are corroded
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2007, 08:14:53 AM » |
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Something was said on the telly this morning about her possibly having been snatched "to order" for a paedophile ring. It's just a f****** hideous thought that this lass has been taken away to be kept alive and used for something like that. I would sooner they found her body than the thought that that was what was in store for her.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2007, 11:13:00 AM » |
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lets face it no-one knows so the papers are making up stories to try and scare us all even more...........
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2007, 01:11:09 PM » |
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Ok, if you're saying never release them that sounds good to this knacker, but our courts and prison system offer no such guarantees do they?
Out of those 100 paedophiles in prison how many might get an early release? How many might be released after receiving official (but incorrect) medical / pyschological clearance?
As a father I personally wouldn't want to take the risk with this corrupt species.
ok then you change the law to possibly kill innocent people,my change in the law would keep them locked away for good. *Sigh* We obviously agree that the current system is no good - I've already said that I'd be happy to see them locked away for the rest of their lives. Given the luxury of indisputable evidence I'd also happily see violent, murderous paedophiles given a length of rope and some well-oiled trapdoors This method can't be anywhere near as terrifying as Madeleine's (possible) treatment at the moment. |
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2007, 01:19:43 PM » |
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Something was said on the telly this morning about her possibly having been snatched "to order" for a paedophile ring. It's just a f****** hideous thought that this lass has been taken away to be kept alive and used for something like that. I would sooner they found her body than the thought that that was what was in store for her.
Was having this conversation the other day as well, would rather kill my own son that have that in store for him for the rest of his life. |
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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2007, 03:07:35 PM » |
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f****** idiotic parents for leaving their kid alone in the first place, I mean what if there was a fire what in hell could the 3 year old do. Stupid Pricks!
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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2007, 03:54:42 PM » |
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f****** idiotic parents for leaving their kid alone in the first place, I mean what if there was a fire what in hell could the 3 year old do. Stupid Pricks!
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2007, 02:05:40 PM » |
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I don't know - they have already organised maps and divided out the area for a search - no doubt there was a delay while the family turned the rooms over and searched the local area - then there would be language problems of course but missing kids are a top priority in ANY place I've ever lived
Get a load of this Rob: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/11/wmaddy211.xmlThroughout the search, Madeleine's relatives have been ahead of the authorities in putting out information about her disappearance.
It was her parents who issued the first photographs of her, who made the first public appeal for information and who gave the first details of what she was wearing. Portuguese police only issued a formal appeal for information on their website on Wednesday, six days after Madeleine went missing. |
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2007, 02:22:40 PM » |
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The Portuguese do things differently - their police are not meeja junkies like the boys in blue
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