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You have three votes, lets keep it clean and forget about arguments, just peoples opinions, all you have to state are three names, no more, no less:

1. Frank Lampard
2. Raul
3. Paulo Ferreira

who is it that rates raul really? can he be overrated of not rated by anyone?

Raul's not overrated anymore as everybody knows he's a shadow of the player he was 5 years ago.

Raul was the best goalscorer in the world in the late 90's

Nobody rates him now

1. Wayne Rooney
2. Frank Lampard
3. Ryan Giggs

Surely not 2 Man Utd players??? ;)

Giggs has been good but his reputation is a lot better than he is nowadays so I'll go along with your 3.

On a sort of related note I'd like to stake claim that Deco is probably the most underrated.

1. Pirlo
2. Xabi Alonso
3. Fernando Torres

kieron dyer

1. Steven Taylor
2. Frank Lampard
3. Oba Martins

I'd definitely agree with the sentiments about Torres, the lad is so overrated it's untrue.

Theo Walcott
Robihno
Ramage(he should be playing in the Conference not in the Premiership)

Who the hell rates Ramage?

Steven Taylor? If you'd said that a few months ago, I could understand it (a bit), but now?

My choices -

1. Cristiano Ronaldo - he's a very good player, but he's still got a fair bit to learn about when to keep and when to release the ball. Not anywhere near the best in the world yet.

2. Michael Owen - again, a good player who poses a threat, but he hasn't lived up to the reputation that he built up in the early stages of his career.

3. David Beckham - not sure how you'd define his reputation right now, but I have never known a footballer where the gap between his standing in the game and his actual ability was so huge.

Oh no don't dare say such a thing, the posse will round on you now.

Ibrahimovic
Freddy Adu
Nesta
Sergio Ramos
Puyol
Andy Johnson
Ronaldinho (shock, horror)
Jermaine Jenas (everyone bar Newcastle and to an extent Spurs fans think he's top class)

Thread title not escape you?

Glenn Roeder
Who else... :uglystupid2: :uglystupid2:

Maybe I'm being a bit reactive. I just thought he played like a great big egotistical jerk last night. Whereas Paul Scholes - who really should have been Footballer of the Year - gave a magnificent performance in a midfield that was being overrun.

Don't worry mate I'm firmly in your corner and stand by everything that I've originally said about Ronaldo when he's up against top class opposition and last night proved it again.

Lennon
Dawson
JJ

Owen
Dawson
Robinson

and to actually answer the question:

robinho
xabi alonso
paolo ferreira

the way some people on this forum go on about him - Tuncay (= cue wankfest)

Owen,
Rooney,
Van Der Sar.

1. Francesco Totti - by an absolute mile
2. Xabi Alonso
3. Frank Lampard

Have you watched Totti often Stevie by any chance because he's f****** awesome.

Rooney.

Puyol is a brilliant defender.

I think 99% of football fans acknowledge the fact Jenas is pony.

Lampard and Rooney.

I think Lampard had 2 touches on tuesday night.  A corner and a penalty.

:lol: :lol:

Is this some sort of wind up?

Nesta is the best centre back in the world.  Puyol is top 3.

Ronaldinho I won't even go into.  :)

Watched him many times, and every time I've wondered what the fuss is all about, in fact I've thought "you're s****".  There was a great line in The Guardian about him in the last WC, something along the lines of, never has a World Cup winning sides star player offered so little and it's true.  I've seen you stick up for him before Jonny, in fairness though, in the main I'm going off his performances for Italy where for me he has looked like a very, very poor man's Iniesta.  I've not seen hardly anything of him for Roma though.

Don't think Nesta's the force he was a couple of years ago personally, but still quality no doubt.

Nesta was briefly one of the best three in the world, but for me there are many better, Cannavaro for one.

Torres is the most overrated player in the world by miles.

He only gets about 10 goals a season and isn't a particularly great all round player yet he's talked about as world class. f****** bollocks. It will be hilarious if United or Liverpool blow £25m on him. I've got no doubts he would flop big time.

Torres will flop in England but he's still a class act imo.

Nesta is as great as he ever was imo and is a pleasure to watch.

I definitely prefer him to Cannavaro.

i agree with big gemmill

1. Steven Taylor
2. Frank Lampard
3. Oba Martins

People saying Totti and Torres are overrated are out of space
Torres is one of the youngest bright talents in world football and Totti is Roma's legend for more then a decade

Jimmy Glass is a legend in Carlisle, didn't make him world class.

Fernando Torres
Aaron Lennon
Steven Taylor
Fat Frank
Michael Dawson
Emmanuel Eboue
Francesco Totti (based mainly on his Italia performances)
Freddie Ljungburg

is a selection of players.

You know that comparing Carlisle with Roma is making you look ridiculous
Yes you are right about Totti that at international level he never showed what he is capable of but at club level he was/is Roma's engine and mainly because of him they won the tittle in 00/01 season.
Saying he is the most overrated player in Europe by a mile is just ridiculous opinion

Ok then, tell me why Torres is world class.

I take it there is no word in Turkish or Bulgarian or whatever for irony?

It's not ridiculous it's fact.  The players he's mentioned alongside is absolutely laughable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Torres

Nice one Bobby! :(

He's never a £25m player but a class player nonetheless. A goal every 2 and a half games for a youngster in La Liga with an average side for much of the time is pretty impressive. Great touch and links up play well.

Cannavaro's hardly shone for Real like.

Torres
Lampard
Rooney

Also, can't forget Beckham.  At any point of his career.

I never said he is world class
I said he is young striker,only 23,who has bright future ahead of him
Now tell me how many strikers in Spain can you tell which are 23 and they are playing for 5 seasons in La Liga already
He is only 23 and is playing in rather average team in Spain.Then again he is managing to score goals

02/03
29=13goals
03/04
35=19goals
04/05
38=16goals
05/06
36=13goals
06/07
31=10goals

Its not something spectacular but the lad is only 23 and is playing in rather average team in Spain
I think its unfair to say he is the most overrated player in Europe when its obvious that he is great talent and will become even greater player in the next 5-6 years

Its fact only for you obviosly considering that he is Roma's best player for more then 7-8 years
Saying a player is the most overrated in Europe by a mile when he has won 2 times the award for best player in Italy(2003 - 2004,2000 - 2001) is not true at all.

Lampard.

1. Wayne Rooney- Good player and alot better than what is at our club but has failed to set the world alight.

2. Arjen Robben- Can't remember the last time Robben impressed me, expect him to be sold in the summer.

3. Cesc Fabregas- w***,w***,w***. Good passer but his lack of tackles or goals makes him way over rated.


3 best in the world:

1. Gattuso
2. Kaka
3. Ronaldo

Gattuso :lol: Tell me that's a piss-take.

I struggle to believe anyone playing in a CL semi-final is over-rated. To have Rooney over rated after scoring two goals in a CL semi seems a bit strange.

Over rated has to be JJ. That he is in an England squad seems bizarre. What set of injuries would get him into starting position ?

Scott Parker is over rated. Again to be on the fringes of the England squad yet seemingly unable to dominate a Premiership game, just doesn't stack up.

Any player who gets the label  of "intelligent". Just means they are slow, and occasionally get a good pass in.

I think people need 'overrated' defined tbh.

He is class.

In the world's top 3 though? Howay man.

He clearly wasn't fit tbh.

Also all of the other big games he has done nothing in? not fit then as well. Last night proved when he's against top class opposition and they suss him out he just looses his rag like he did towards the end as he cannot get past such players with ease like he can against most teams over here.

Proved he doesn't play that well when he's carrying an injury for me.

don't get me started on Totti.. he's a legend, the same way Shearer is..
nowadays you don't see many players spending their whole careers at their favorite club, because they don't want to play for anybody else for whatever salary or trophies..
and most importantly, he's still world class.. he didn't have the best of world cups last year, but you may want to check who is the current top goalscorer in Serie A.. he was also the assist leader a couple games ago..
Totti is a playmaker, but unlike other similar players, he made a transition to a more offensive role as he got older and is usually playing as a lone striker for Roma the last couple of seasons and still manages to play as good as ever..

I'm suprised Clarence Seedorf's name hasn't come up yet. I've always liked him but he normally seems to be one of the leading contenders for this dubious honour whenever this topic gets a mention. People been turned around by the performances against Manure? Or has he just been forgotten and will now make everyone who posts after this' top 3. :uglystupid2:

Ah right so he's carried an injury in all of those games he's played against Chelsea and Liverpool and not done anything as well, fair point.  O0

"What do Clarence Seedorf and Pete Doherty have in common? They both get caught in possession an awful lot." :lol:

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Suppose it depends what you look for in a player. He is certainly one of the best at what he does even if he doesn't fit the top 3 in the world category.

Gattuso is my type of player. I've always been a fan of tough central midfielders like him and Keane. It's all well and good having your flair players but it's the Gattusos who balance the world up.

Think Cannavaro is/was awesome aswell.

I agree.

Totti

Ditto, give me a Gatusso or a David Batty over a Kaka or Ginola anyday.

Adriano 2-3 years back.

as do i!

typical - slate-the-players-i-dont-like attitude in this thread

people on here are forking clueless

i have seen Ronaldo, EPL player of the year, awesome world cup apparently the most overrated player in europe.

seen Totti, who carries the Roma team pretty much

and top it all off, one of the most underrated player in Europe Andrea Pirlo on the lists...
who was man of the man in 3 of Italy's WC run, bronze ball winner and has absolutely astute football brain and is the supply line, and temp settter for Kaka.

The Over-rated players list

1) Fernando Torres
2) Anrea Pirlo
3) Fat Face Frank
4) Michael Owen
5) Francesco Totti
6) Deco
7) ibrahimovic
8. John Terry
9) Jamie Carragher (Though he was exceptional against Chelsea)
10) Cesc Fabregash
10) Jens Lemon

How you can put Carragher, Fabregas & Lehmann as more over-rated than Robinson, Dawson & Jenas is a joke. :lol:

How old are you btw? :lol:

lol at Carragher  ;D  For one thing, he's only started to get rated in the past year and a half! And he's worth of being rated, he's a fantastic defender.

As for Dawson, Jenas and Robinson - we are talking about 'most overrated' players, those 3 aren't really rated by anone outside North London. Robinson was once over-hyped, but people have cottoned on to the fact he simply isn't very good. Who apart from spurs fans rate Dawson?

kingdawson at his best

Everyone reckons that Ibrahimovic is f****** ace, been proper gash whenever i've seen him. PROPER gash.

Maybe becase there rated higher then the spurs trio and i personnaly think all are good players (dont rate Lemon) but not as good as the media try and tell us. I was also doin a world -renowned list tbh.

PS - How much is 2J turning into HTL? :lol:

Aye, has some nice touches but I don't see the fuss either. Admittedly I probably haven't seen enough of him.

How can i forget about the over-rated lump of turd. Gonna alter my list. thanks

Had forgotten bout him, only ever been poor when i've seen him. Although he has 15 goals in 26 games this seasons. Always seemed to have the ability but only turns it on when he can be arsed it seems. Especially when i saw him play for Juve and Sweden.

Carragher is an all heart, commanding centre half, he isn't overrated.   However, he produced the most inept play I've ever seen from an England international against Sweden in the last World Cup at right back.  He's brilliant when he hasn't got the ball.

He's a fantastic central defender. That's what matters, not whether he's a good right back for a 2nd rate national side.

How you can have on overrated player list that doesn't include a spurs player? They are full of them!

Are you on glue again???

hmmmmm Mclaren, Erickson, the media, Liverpool scouts who tried to buy him for 2 seasons running, Phil 'Pinocchio' Thompson who constantly has orgasms over him when he's on soccer saturday. Hope that helps :thup:

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When Sweden played Northern Ireland he was absolutely shocking.

Suppose 15 league goals this season ain't too bad, though.

aye would have Carragher in here in a heartbeat. Superb defender, no frills, all action and commands his area of the pitch. He must ceertainly help the younger players at LFC as he always seems to be organising and shouting on.

If he and to an extent Robinson and Chimbonda is so good why have Spurs conceded 52 goals in the Prem this season (admittedly all won't be down to them but they have been the players who have played most games in the Spurs backline this season i do believe)?

Dawson is utter s***, He is probably the slowest defender i have ever seen. Watching Shearer out run him last season was a highlight.

That certainly suggests he should be part of any overrated players list :razz:

Ive answered this before but ill do it again one more time (why people turn this to something to do with spurs i will never know).
Weve conceded so many goals because (in this order):

1) we havent had Ledley for the majority of the season

2) Robinsons been off-form

3) We dont play with a dm so theres no one to track back and protect the back four.

4) Dawson hasent been as good as last year.


Tbh i was just answering Rafa's innocent question of 'who else but spurs fans rate Dawson' completly forgetting the fact that he's own team tried to sign him numerous times mackems.gif. Hope i helped Rafa :thup:

Oh and Gejon, like spurs, youre team also consists of a lot of players that people may think of as 'over-rated'. I only listed Owen in my list because he's world- renowned. If it was a premiership list, you best believe players such as parker, taylor, and emre would be on the list quicker then you can say 'spurs are on there way to wembley'

didn't realise anyone rated Emre tbh.

Exactly my thoughts!

He's definetely carrying an injury

You're not allowed to say that - 2J is the world's youngest leading authority on world class players from 1950s to modern day and he's not gonna like it. ;)

Zlatan (as we call him in Sweden) has been worthless (apart from one game) for our nationalteam since the beginning 05-06 season. In Inter he's been okay when I've seen him but far from the form he was in during his first season at Juventus and the Euro 04.

And if you think he's overrated you should be happy your not a Swede. Our media clamis he is one of the top 5 players in the world... At least they used to before he started ignoring them

Top 3 overrated players in the Premiership:
1. Frank Lampard - He's great in some aspects but not a world class midfielder.
2. Robbie Keane - Never been amased by him. Never will.
2. All the squad players in Liverpool like Mascherano, Aurelio, Arbeola, Gonazles etc. - They are all s*** and the main reason why they will never win the league under Benitez.

Carrick
Rooney (he's brilliant but not that brilliant!)
Gilardino

I never said that, but fine if he had an injury last night you still haven't told me all of the big games he's shown up for and ran the show in which is what I have been asking.  :knuppel2:

I've laid a perfectly valid claim down that he doesn't show up for the big games despite all of his talents, yet instead of either answering my question with a simple yes or no you're just taking the piss yet again.  :tongue:

kingdawson should be banned because he talks rubbish and nobody like him. the forum would be a better place without him O0

I'm guessing you missed this: https://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=20035.0

WOW Dave putting these suckers in there place, a joy to behold :thup: :thup:

c ya in 2 days trigga

Eff off you. :lol:

1) Ronaldinho
2) Frank Lampard
3) Ryan Giggs
4) David Villa
5) Fernando Torres
6) Paul Robinson
7) Kieron Dyer
8) Michael Dawson
9) Alberto Gilardino
10) Paulo Ferreira
11) Andriy Shevchenko
12) Freddie Ljungberg
13) Robinho
14) Craig Bellamy
15) Michael Ballack
16) Jean-Alain Boumsong
17) David Trezeguet
18) Salomon Kalou
19) Jermain Defoe
20) Ronaldo

Roberto Carlos.

sorry dav i wont do it again  ;)

21.Pele
22.Maradona
23.Beckenbauer
24.Johan Cruijff
25.Marko Van Basten

Ronaldinho in his worst ever season for Barca has still scored an unprecedented amount of goals for himself this season, even though a lot of them have been from set pieces.

Before that though I don't know how you could see he was overrated, an absolute genius and joy to watch.

Lampard.

YES YES
couldn't agree more
what a shambles for england - sidwell would be better

Torres
Totti

Carrick

Man U won the title in spite of him not because of him.

Never mind he'll enjoy cleaning Hargreaves boots next year

I don't think that anyone's claiming that Man Utd's success this season is solely down to Carrick.

The opinion that he doesn't do anything and brings very little to a team is a popular one, and one which no doubt you subscribe to. Not a stats player, nor a highlights player. Probably the reason why he actually remains underrated on a general scale. Aside from his brilliant understanding of the game, he also has the talent and pure footballing ability to succeed at Utd, which, because of his understated role, seems to escape most people who don't see him on a regular basis. Hugely appreciated by the managers and team mates he's worked with, and there's a reason for that. Doesn't have the authority needed to dominate games or really shine as an individual, but his function in the team is invaluable...Spurs have taken a very long time to recover from his departure, and still miss him to a certain extent.

lampard
ferreira
torres
kezman (used to be)
raul
morientes
shevchenko

Van Der Sar
Andrea Pirlo
Fabio Cannavaro

Sorry Mate - I just have to disagree with you on understanding of the game, pure footballing ability and in my opinion the only reason he's invaluable to Man U is because they haven't got another specialist player in that position.

His understanding of the game is good going forward, but he is a poor reader of the game when the opposition have the ball.

I see him as the weak link in that side, Hargreaves could have done a man marking job on Kaka - you can't even ask Carrick to do that job.

Lots of English CM players better I feel.

Lampard - how the hell he has ben accomodated at the expense of Gerrard in the England team for all these years bemuses me.

Haha, are you serious?

I really hope he isn't.

Mascherano is absolute quality.  Was the best player on the pitch on Tuesday night.

The way he breaks up play and always finds passes reminds me of a young Vieira.

Most promising defensive midfielder in the world IMO.  Just because Curbs rates Quashie higher, doesn't make it right.  He was outstanding in the World Cup and has been great when I've seen him for Liverpool so far.

Robert Enke.

Gerrard - good player overall, class in the Premiership, but nowhere near the best in the world. An average player at international level, his poor performances, average technical ability, and dissappearing acts are excused by Lampard being in the team, supposedly playing a more defensive role, etc etc - give him the "right role" and put him up against the likes of Portugal, France, Argentina, Brazil, etc, and hell still struggle against that calibre of opposition. Can be influential, but only against teams that seem to forget about the threat he can pose when outside the box. Put a decent defensive player on him and hes out of the game, eg Parker at St James'.

Again, class player when on form, one of the top players in this country, but in terms of the bigger picture, I find it a joke that some think hes the best in the world.

Shocked to see Pirlos name crop up so much TBH. Pirlo for me is one of the best passers in the world. An unsung hero at club and international level if anything.

Remember this is the same guy who is a world cup and champions league winner, for me he is the much needed link in the Milan and Italian side.

He is an ugly bugger though!

Surely part of being overrated is that someone rates you in the first place, which rules Dyer out (McLaren excepted).

Class player, but hes had a few shockingly bad performances in big crunch games at club level.

Lukas Podolski
He won the youngster prize in world cup,but hes down  in Bayern , and  just kicks goals for Germany international. May be Magath didnt know how to teach him,but I disappoint him for this season.

Absolutly. He was really shitty in the SB game, great in the Anfield game but hasen't impressed in the preimership. He's been okay in the 3-4 games I've seen him play for LFC in the Premiership but was really shity for WH. When he came to WH I expected him to become one of the leading stars in the premiership after seeing him in the WC. Untill he delivers week in and week out I'm never gonna rate him as a great player. He has shown he has the potential but still has alot to prove imo.

No player ever in the world has played well in every big game they've played in, including Ronaldo, yet I could name you a shitload Ronaldo has, the argument is a piss poor one, like it was for Henry for ages.

For a start, as I've mentioned before he was the best young player in the past two international tournaments (and yes he was better than Shrek in 2004) and he's been MOTM in all three finals Man U have played since he's joined them.

As for the original question, I'd say English players in general.

Especially the midfield 'drivers', the ones who apparently 'take games by the scruff of the neck and drive them on'. I mean the Gerrard, Barton, Nolan, etc. players. I don't know if people are aware of this, but a simple pass is equally as effective as one of those amazing driving runs, such is why the likes of Pirlo and Xavi et al will always be a class above the majority of English midfielders.

Michael Owen. Obviously.

I'll add Ballack to my initial Lampard vote.

It was going to take him a while to settle into English football anyway, imagine doing it in a shockingly bad West Ham side.  It's not like he even got any chances anyway, he hardly ever made the team.

oba martins!!!!!!! snap there hands of 4 15 million!!!!! could buy darren bent 4 that.......

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