A Pragmatic mis-Reading of the script.
By Parky On Sat 27 Oct 2007 |
Sam Allardyce is a pragmatic man, he has made his career in the game as a sensible centre-back and he has continued his rise to the top by talking endless amounts of sense. He values the common sensical approach to the game as he values his data sheets and his ice-fridge. He has sensibly started building from the back, he talks a good game and he understands the motivational and communicative needs of the players, after all he has proper coaching badges - he even brings a glint to the eye of the FA when the England job is mulled. So as Toon supports we are just beginning to ask ourselves how and why he continues to mis-read the teams needs on the pitch away from home?
How a team that has just brushed aside a goodish Spurs side can flounder so haplessly against the mighty Reading is frankly mind boggling. But there are clues and perhaps also a rising awareness that Derby wasn’t just a blip. Perhaps the signs that the orchestra is missing some creative direction has gone unheeded by the conductor himself. What did he see from his screens and his computer printouts from the Derby game that told him to start without wingers with no chance to spread play or relieve pressure on the defence? There is the beginnings of a common theme here and it is a storyline that will not be tolerated and should not be tolerated. Allardyce needs to look seriously at his motivation away from home and he needs to stop this ridiculos mantra about clean sheets, clean sheets don’t win games goals do. Neither does pr mumblings about “being happy with 0-0″. After all what kind of signal does that give the opposition? It is dawning on some that we are misfiring away form home because the team is slavishly being set up to contain, to play safe and as the old saying goes ‘to nick something’. I didn’t realise we were away at Anfield or the Camp Nou.
Teams have been scoring against Reading at leisure, even Bolton and Sunderland. They have conceded fifteen goals in their previous four games, surely we should have had at least one of Milner or N’Zogbia on from the start to go through their full repetoire of torments against a defence lacking in confidence. How many more games are we to watch in bemusement the lack of service for the best finisher in this league? What is the need to line up with four central midfielders and one (Geremi) who has been woeful of late, adding to Nicky Butt’s on/off performances. We can live with your trials with Smith on the wing and Zoggy at left back those were periods of ‘as needs must’, we also console ourselves that you are working through various formulae. What we aren’t able to stomach are these lacklustre, percentage - hugging, cowardly away performances.
In many ways this is the right time for Sam Allardyce and Newcastle United, the supporters are ready to build and be patient after the false dawns, we respect the thorough approach to the game and a manager who understands what the word preperation means for a change. But is it part of our preperation these days to go to places like Reading talking demurely about draws and clean sheets? Unnacceptable. This is not the postive approach you speak of, this is not the guile and ‘cleverness’ and strength of mind that you talk of when you talk about players you want to work with. In plain words you seem to be quite meek and guarded for a big man.
Stop playing games with formations and positions and set up a side equipped to win matches who go onto the pitch without mixed signals, because that is what the supporters are beginning to hear.

Steve,
I don’t think any bodies comments on hear can be deemed as negative. I think people are just saying it as they see it.
It maybe a good start in terms of a points total, sadly we cannot dismiss the fact that we are being managed to fail in away games.
I think your assessment of Geremi and Emre is without substance. I could say Geoff Thomas played in centre midfield for England so he cannot be that bad, we all know he was chutney. I think Barton will come good for sure.
I’m not sure if you are under the impression that we play possession football, I’m certain we don’t.
I’m up for getting behind the team and the manager as much as anybody else I have never booed Newcastle off the pitch and I always support the team. But I think in the cold light of day we have to speak our minds and say what we think, if we don’t analyse our team displays and discuss our managers tactics is there any point in supporting Newcastle?
All I’m doing is Saying what I See.
Sent in on: October 31st, 2007 at 2:20 pm
The next two games are crucial - cliched and hackneyed a situation it may be, but it is true.
Home to Portsmouth - possibly one of the strongest and in-form teams to come to St James’ so far this season. We need a strong home display, and getting 3 points would see us in the Euro places, and all doom and gloom would be lifted.
Next away game, I believe, is Sunderland. They will be up for it, make no mistake. And, if we repeat the tactical nonsense witnessed at Reading, we will lose. Simple as. I await in horror our next tactical switch, which will probably be putting Milner on the left, benching the Zog again, Smith back on the right, where he does nothing of value, and Owen up front on his own.
You just know that is what we will do, with some silly excuse afterwards about trying to match Sunderland physically or something. Whereas, if we played a proper 4-4-2 ‘home’ formation we could be 2 up at half time and have nothing to worry about. So what if we lose that way. It is better than getting zero points and looking stupid.
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Sent in on: October 31st, 2007 at 2:24 am
Steve A,
I don’t think you can brush away two clueless away performances against teams who are the divisions strugglers as the supporters being negative.
Are you actually trying to explain what posession football means?
Here’s the news…We don’t play posession football.
I thank you,
Parky.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Stop with all off the negativity.
Is this not the best start to a season since the keegan years? Yes
Is this not a new manager? yes
Is this not a whole new team? Yes
Regarding players. Geremi played on the right wing for Real Madrid so he cant be that bad. Emre was the creative midfield meastro behind a Turkey team that finished 3rd in a world cup. Barton is the all round captain we have been looking for.
Playing possesion football is ok,The opposition cant score if they dont have the ball. We just failed to keep the ball. It happens to every team. Look at liverpool on sunday they had 33% of possesion,they were never going to win.
We have players who will fight for the cause. That is what all fans have been asking for. Smith,Barton,Butt will not like getting beat at all.
So am i TELLING yes TELLING all fans to take a moment. Take stock of the situation.Look at Spurs, they prove there is no right to win anything and if we win our game in hand we go above liverpool and 1 point behind chelsea.
Would you have taken that after 10-11 games.
I would.
Give Big Sam and the players your support.
Lets not get down on them already.
Think positive and positive things will happern.
Sent in on: October 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Paul,
I would like to give any manager a few seasons to get a settled squad which he could genuinely call his own. Sadly I don’t think that is a realistic possibility in today’s game.
Sam has been quoted today as saying today “I don’t know what my best side is yet”. Fair comment, except if he doesņt realise that Zog and Milner should be in his side it could take seasons before he works his best side out.
Even scarier is his theory of if we beat pompey we will be on 20 points after 11 games. Hence using this as a solid bench mark after 33 games we will be on 60 points with 5-6 games remaining. Nice theory Sam, but have you not realised at home or away we have not played any of the big teams (Arsenal, Man u, Chelsea, Liverpool)?
Sorry lads but this Bloke is a massive worry, if that’s how he thinks we will achieve a points total he has just reinvented the wheel. Another possibility is he is buying time by pulling things out of his hoop because he thinks we are stupid??
Sent in on: October 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Benny
Valid point, i would agree that at the start of the season we should pencil three points in for these games and it angers me when we do get beat by these lesser teams, iam not saying Sam is the man but surely he has to be given a few seasons to prove himself, and although we should aim to be playing for a top five finish personally i feel the squad is still short of achieving this esp in midfield were there is a serious lack of creativity. Overall though for what he has spent on players he has done well in bolstering what was a bloody awful team last season. Things can only get better, well thats after the mackem game anyway.
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Does anyone want to bet on the Evening Chronicle coming out with an issue around thurday with a trio of either Butt, Smith or Milner saying ‘We will bounce back’?? Im getting sick of this, we bounce back then get beat on the road only for us to bounce back again. Our consistancy is horrific, one week a good top 8 team then the next a mediocre bottom half side!
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Paul,
I don’t think we have a divine right to anything.
I think our manager should be aiming for more than a 10th/11th spot finish. I think he needs reminding that he’s at Newcastle, not Bolton. Also aiming for a point at the likes of Derby and Reading are not acceptable.
I think I speak for the majority when I said play to win.
I agree an “i want it and i want it now” attitude is not what we need I just want to be able to walk out of any away ground and think we had a really good go, under Sam this is not possible.
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Whilst agreeding that Rome wasn’t built in a day ( if you’ve been there recently you will notice that it is still work in progress) I do worry about Sam’s selections away from home and in particular his substitutions when chasing a game. Having been present at both the Derby and Reading debacles certain worrying patterns do emerge.
The cry of square pegs in round holes certainly rings true. The attempt to contain and play on the break will only work if you have some pace to break with. Starting at Reading with four central midfield players was doomed to failure once the goal was conceded. It is the substitutions that confused me. If we are chasing surely you keep your forwards on. Take off Geremi (another Chelsea reject drawing wages he’s not worth), Butt (Dreadful first half with colour blindness problems when passing the ball) and Emre (if he’s a central midfield maestro then I am Johann Cruyffs illegitimate love child). Keep Martins on, play Smith either behind the front two or alongside Owens with Martins being given free rein. Milner and Zog are a given seeing as they are our two best players. This is a team that could chase and has pace and fire power. Taking off Martins and delaying Milner coming on was ridiculous.
Why is Sam so timid away from home?
He has too many midfield players something that Roeder had a problem with as well. Duff is due back in November so confusion in this area will reign even more. The Premiership is all about pace - just look at Arsenal and Man Utd. At Reading there were too many pedestrian players on the pitch.
As far as I’m concerned Duff,Emre and Geremi are not worth the wages and could be despatached with minimal impact on the team.
Sam needs to show some bollox and win on the road. A defeat in the village of the Damned could turn things rather ugly and guarantee the end of his honeymoon period (did I hear someone mention he used to play for the Mackems……..).
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Paul,
I do not have an attitude of “i want it and i want it now”, I do not think many Newcastle fans have. I was merely saying Sam is showing a lack of ambition by aiming for a tenth/eleventh spot finish.
I think it’s realistic for a club of our size to be going for 5th spot in the league, not a “divine right”, but realistic.
I also said that we expect our team to play to win, something that Sam is clearly not prepared to do away from home.
Maybe the right man but definitely at the wrong club..
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Another awful display away from home granted but to mention getting rid of SA is a joke Benny, this attitude of i want it and i want it now is one of the reasons we are in a mess, Rome wasnt built in a day. We have no divine right to think we should be in the top 5 just because we have a big following. Just think of the situation we would be in if Glen Rhoeder was still in charge.
Big Sam will get it right its just gonna take time.
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
I think everybody seems to be making valid points about the season so far. Given is the best reflex keeper in the country, sadly that doesņt make you a good keeper, his positioning, understanding and general reading of the game is not good enough.
Play 4-4-2 with Zog and Milner on the wings.
Sam Allardyce is not suitable for our club, he does not acknowledge that we expect a certain brand of football (100% effort and play to win). I don’t think Sam would be a bad manager at say West Ham/Villa/Everton, but we are bigger than the mid table teams I’ve just mentioned.
I think any manager at Newcastle should be going for a fifth place finish. The team who finishes fifth will not be going to Reading looking for a point which is clearly what the fat man went for….
I have read recently that Sam said “our main aim is to improve 0n last season”. Well Sam you’ve done that now Feck off and manage Middlesbrough……
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Matthew,
I have to agree Given (not the tallest of keepers) was too far off his line for the first and this seems to be becoming a habit of his.
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 10:25 am
Further to my comments I’ve already made (Just watched MOTD2, so have some more):
The midfield is woefully uncreative. Geremi hasn’t really hit his Chelsea hights - is he treating this as a retirement home where he doesn’t have to play seriously anymore like Duff?
And I never thought I’d criticise this man - is it possible Given was a bit at fault for both goals? Looks to me like he was badly placed and off his line for the 1st, and didn’t go in bravely enough for the 2nd.
Should we be looking for a new keeper???
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 12:59 am
big sam should better start to play martins for full time cos hes got newcastle goals in his feet.watchout……for more flips
Sent in on: October 29th, 2007 at 12:24 am
The performane, tactics and approach to the Reading game were all, put bluntly, a pile of crap.
With the risk of repeating the article above, we put out a very defensive team and were very negative against a team tha we should have beaten comfortably. Yes. Lets get a 0-0 at Reading. Feckin great. With all duerespect to Reading, and team worth a slight amount of its salt, will be looking to beat them. They aren’t that good.
Does Sam honesly think that the Cacapa / Faye partnership is better than Rozenhal and Taylor? Because I certanly don’t!
So Sam, why put our 3rd and 4th best centre backs out there? Why leave our two best creative players (Milner and the Zog) out?
If we go to places like Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea the way we set ourselves out at Reading we’ll be on the end of what Man Citeh got on Saturday. Hell, if we prepare and play like that at Blackburn, Everton and Portsmouth we’ll get it!
I was a fan of Sam’s appointment but he’s getting it badly wrong away. Weve lost our last 3 away games, which we should have taken 6 points from. Its not as if we’ve played anyone truly brilliant away yet either!
I am very worried about the game at the Stadium of sh**e, and things will turn very nasty for Big Sam if he makes a balls of that away trip.
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Owen is definitely the best finisher in the league, in my opinion. He was absolutely wasted with only one chance from the midfield. He had that one chance on goal, which should have been a penalty (keeper clattered him, rather than go for the ball and he was definitely going to be on that ball before the defender could have been). He’d have buried that chance in about 2 more seconds, if he hadn’t been rugby tackled.
I want Owen to stay, but this style of play doesn’t suit him and he must be frustrated to run his socks off and get nothing. It doesn’t even flatter Martins, who belongs in a mid-table squad. We need to sort the midfield, then judge a strike partnership.
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Well i have been here before square pegs in round hole the older players kept happy whilst the younger better ones are dropped. Harper in goal Given makes too many errors standing too far off his line why does he stay rooted to the spot when everyone in the ground sees he should come for the ball .keep the two fullbacks bring back taylor with faye.forget the name geremi he spends too long looking for space when the opposition has the ball and telling his teammates to do his tackling.i thought we were newcastle united not geremi united,he has to take all free kicks corners and throws ,all usually wasted. play milner, barton, emre and zog in midfield. dont worry about the opposition let them worry about us for a change. owen and viduka up front:- martins , butt ,given, rozehnal, smith on the bench
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I agree with Emre not being a left winger, but Geremi is definitely a right winger, he doesnt do much for us in the centre. Butt is on/off, but its hard now to drop Geremi as he was made Captain. My team for Reading would have been:
Given
Beye Rozehnal Cacapa Enrique
Milner Barton Emre N’Zogbia
Owen Martins
Absolutely no square pegs!
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Brian,
“Square pegs in round holes. Emre is not a left winger…..Geremi is not a right winger… When Milner and Zog play we are a real threat in attack. Why can Sam not see we play great football and win when we play with 2 attacking wingers.”
It’s a very old rouse away from home trying to clog up the midfield and break up play. Unfortunately Reading and Coppell (who totally outfoxed SA) were more than happy to bypass the midfield as the second goal showed.
SA seems to have set up the side with Enrique as a significant outlet (witness his many punts to the forwards). I don’t think a midfield with less creativity could be found playing anywhere else in the PL yesterday.
SA’s old defensive obsessions came to the forefront in this game and I think he has lost sight of our best asset this season so far Zoggy.
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Big Sam is just acomodating his big players so they dont get angry, he dropped the younger players because he didnt want to drop Geremi who is not creative at all and just because hes the captain and doesnt even seem to have much ability. It should have been barton and emre in the middle with zog nd milner on the wings, but no, we hav to go for the ‘clean sheet’ which looks impossible at the moment, im startin to think wen our next cean sheet will come even at home and away, even the macoms will score past us!
You cud see the game changed wen Sam put on zog nd milner. And once agan, our defence crumbles wen a simple long ball goes into the area. After the defeats at Derby and now Reading, both in the bottom half, its seems we will keep dropping points away from home and a mid table finish seems realistic given our good home form. Micheal Owen best finisher? Well if he was he would have buried that chance in the first half.
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 11:03 am
Square pegs in round holes. Emre is not a left winger…..Geremi is not a right winger… When Milner and Zog play we are a real threat in attack. Why can Sam not see we play great football and win when we play with 2 attacking wingers.
For a man that relies so heavily on statistics it should be quite bloody obvious by now that Milner and Zog are our 2 best players. Why they are left on the bench is one of my life’s greatest mysteries
Sent in on: October 28th, 2007 at 8:17 am
Whippy: yes, Barton and Smith are much, much better than what we had before. Smith should have started this game ahead of Owen after his performance in the Everton game, whilst Barton is a class above our central midfielders of recent years: Acuna, Jenas, Dyer, Bowyer et al, would you have any of them ahead of Joey? I wouldn’t.
As the writer correctly acknowledges, Big Sam is also a class above what we’ve had before: he prepares for games, builds from the back and his teams are solid and full of determination. His failing here, as correctly identified above, was failing to deploy one of our wide men. Even a blind and deaf man would tell you that Newcastle’s goals this season, as in virtually every season, have come from swashbuckling wing play.
Personally, I feel Sam is struggling with attempting a 4-4-2. The sooner Owen declares that he wants to go to Liverpool the better, we can fit the other players into an effective 4-3-3 much more easily, and we won’t be any worse. The league’s most deadly finisher he may well be, but he’s not effective in this team and, unless we can con him into believing we’re England, we’re better off taking £12m or so from the Scousers and moving on into our brave new world.
Sent in on: October 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
why on earth did big sam take martins off? i dont trust big sam strategy and game plan.its woeful
Sent in on: October 27th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
same manager same story were not very good, barton, smith are these any better than what we had,think not.
Sent in on: October 27th, 2007 at 7:48 pm