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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2007, 04:15:22 PM » |
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2007, 04:15:42 PM » |
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Of those players, I'd really only say Elano and Lampard are important enough to be called Fulcrums. The rest I'd just call playmakers. As long as we do well keeping width with our wingers and keep the strikers involved in build up play, I don't see why we need a "fulcrum". A playmaker would be nice to have though, someone with real creative touch.
SA won't tolerate a specialist 'playmaker'. I wouldn't say that like. He did have Djorkaeff at Bolton for example. Wasn't he more the withdrawn forward type? Not really sure. Aye, that is the classic position for a playmaker though. I don't see a fulcrum as a specialist playmaker imo...More of an allrounder. Fabregas for instance has grown into a fulcrumite from starting more as just a def player with passing qualities...ie He now scores and sets tempo. It was in response to your comment re: Allardyce and his not tolerating a playmaker. If you're talking about a 'midfield general' then Barton's the nearest we've got. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2007, 04:17:54 PM » |
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Suppose we'd have to do with Huntelaar.
I think i'd rather go with Pazzini, and bring along Montolivo at the same time. I rekon £20m for the pair could get Fiorentina talking. |
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2007, 04:18:39 PM » |
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Of those players, I'd really only say Elano and Lampard are important enough to be called Fulcrums. The rest I'd just call playmakers. As long as we do well keeping width with our wingers and keep the strikers involved in build up play, I don't see why we need a "fulcrum". A playmaker would be nice to have though, someone with real creative touch.
SA won't tolerate a specialist 'playmaker'. I wouldn't say that like. He did have Djorkaeff at Bolton for example. Wasn't he more the withdrawn forward type? Not really sure. Aye, that is the classic position for a playmaker though. I don't see a fulcrum as a specialist playmaker imo...More of an allrounder. Fabregas for instance has grown into a fulcrumite from starting more as just a def player with passing qualities...ie He now scores and sets tempo. It was in response to your comment re: Allardyce and his not tolerating a playmaker. If you're talking about a 'midfield general' then Barton's the nearest we've got. Barton is no fulcrumite. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2007, 04:22:00 PM » |
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Of those players, I'd really only say Elano and Lampard are important enough to be called Fulcrums. The rest I'd just call playmakers. As long as we do well keeping width with our wingers and keep the strikers involved in build up play, I don't see why we need a "fulcrum". A playmaker would be nice to have though, someone with real creative touch.
SA won't tolerate a specialist 'playmaker'. I wouldn't say that like. He did have Djorkaeff at Bolton for example. Wasn't he more the withdrawn forward type? Not really sure. Aye, that is the classic position for a playmaker though. I don't see a fulcrum as a specialist playmaker imo...More of an allrounder. Fabregas for instance has grown into a fulcrumite from starting more as just a def player with passing qualities...ie He now scores and sets tempo. ie Van der Vaart is a playmaker but doesn't imo qualify for full fulcrumosity. They keep on coming! Well done, sir! |
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2007, 04:24:01 PM » |
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Of those players, I'd really only say Elano and Lampard are important enough to be called Fulcrums. The rest I'd just call playmakers. As long as we do well keeping width with our wingers and keep the strikers involved in build up play, I don't see why we need a "fulcrum". A playmaker would be nice to have though, someone with real creative touch.
SA won't tolerate a specialist 'playmaker'. I wouldn't say that like. He did have Djorkaeff at Bolton for example. Wasn't he more the withdrawn forward type? Not really sure. Aye, that is the classic position for a playmaker though. I don't see a fulcrum as a specialist playmaker imo...More of an allrounder. Fabregas for instance has grown into a fulcrumite from starting more as just a def player with passing qualities...ie He now scores and sets tempo. It was in response to your comment re: Allardyce and his not tolerating a playmaker. If you're talking about a 'midfield general' then Barton's the nearest we've got. Barton is no fulcrumite. Difficult to argue. Seen as I'm not really sure what you're on about. |
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2007, 04:24:43 PM » |
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Of those players, I'd really only say Elano and Lampard are important enough to be called Fulcrums. The rest I'd just call playmakers. As long as we do well keeping width with our wingers and keep the strikers involved in build up play, I don't see why we need a "fulcrum". A playmaker would be nice to have though, someone with real creative touch.
SA won't tolerate a specialist 'playmaker'. I wouldn't say that like. He did have Djorkaeff at Bolton for example. Wasn't he more the withdrawn forward type? Not really sure. Aye, that is the classic position for a playmaker though. I don't see a fulcrum as a specialist playmaker imo...More of an allrounder. Fabregas for instance has grown into a fulcrumite from starting more as just a def player with passing qualities...ie He now scores and sets tempo. It was in response to your comment re: Allardyce and his not tolerating a playmaker. If you're talking about a 'midfield general' then Barton's the nearest we've got. Barton is no fulcrumite. Difficult to argue. Seen as I'm not really sure what you're on about.  |
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2007, 04:29:23 PM » |
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we should get a very creative player for the right wing, it's the one obvious opening in our team and we can afford to have someone in that position who isn't an all rounder. if we went for a central midfielder we'd need someone like Denilson at Arsenal, a player who can compete physically, work hard, as well as provide creativity, but players like that don't grow on trees.
for the right-wing, it's arteta if we are talking about ideal players, Bentley is another though i'm still not convinced about his overall ability. Neither player is particularly fast tho, so if we went down this route, of Solano-type players, we'd need to keep pace elsewhere in the team, which means we'd be building the side around people like Martins and N'Zogbia. If we want to keep Owen in the side, we shouldn't be looking at these type of players, but at very fast wingers who can open teams up with their pace and dribbling rather than with passing and vision.
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2007, 04:34:37 PM » |
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for the right-wing, it's arteta if we are talking about ideal players, Bentley is another though i'm still not convinced about his overall ability. Neither player is particularly fast tho, so if we went down this route, of Solano-type players, we'd need to keep pace elsewhere in the team, which means we'd be building the side around people like Martins and N'Zogbia. If we want to keep Owen in the side, we shouldn't be looking at these type of players, but at very fast wingers who can open teams up with their pace and dribbling rather than with passing and vision.
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2007, 04:41:06 PM » |
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wtf is a fulcrum?
 As for us needing one i agree there is no one who can really grab a game by the scruff of the neck when we need it. I personally think Barton could be capable of this but we'll have to wait and see |
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2007, 04:45:03 PM » |
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wtf is a fulcrum?
As for us needing one i agree there is no one who can really grab a game by the scruff of the neck when we need it. I personally think Barton could be capable of this but we'll have to wait and see f***. We've got no chance then. Barton looks nowt like that! |
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2007, 04:47:42 PM » |
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Fulcrum: the main thing or person needed to support something or to make it work or happen:
The fulcrum of the debate/argument is the individual's right to choose.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2007, 04:54:27 PM » |
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for the right-wing, it's arteta if we are talking about ideal players, Bentley is another though i'm still not convinced about his overall ability. Neither player is particularly fast tho, so if we went down this route, of Solano-type players, we'd need to keep pace elsewhere in the team, which means we'd be building the side around people like Martins and N'Zogbia. If we want to keep Owen in the side, we shouldn't be looking at these type of players, but at very fast wingers who can open teams up with their pace and dribbling rather than with passing and vision.
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2007, 05:29:57 PM » |
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Spurs are a classic example of a team that lost thier fulcrum.
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2007, 05:31:15 PM » |
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How is Diouf a top target for right-wing, in anyone's mind? He isn't a right-winger. If we want a right-winger, we should buy one. I thought we'd got out of this habit...  |
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2007, 05:37:13 PM » |
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How is Diouf a top target for right-wing, in anyone's mind? He isn't a right-winger. If we want a right-winger, we should buy one. I thought we'd got out of this habit... We're not in a position to attract a top right winger are we? Diouf started out on the right and Allardyce loves him, he's also more than capable of cutting in when playing out on the left which could be the reason he's trying to get N'Zogbia used to swapping sides throughout the game. |
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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2007, 05:49:16 PM » |
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How is Diouf a top target for right-wing, in anyone's mind? He isn't a right-winger. If we want a right-winger, we should buy one. I thought we'd got out of this habit... Diouf started out on the right and Allardyce loves him, he's also more than capable of cutting in when playing out on the left which could be the reason he's trying to get N'Zogbia used to swapping sides throughout the game. I didn't say that we were*. I like Diouf - he's an excellent player - but we need a right-winger, so we might aswell just get one of those. He isn't an out-and-out winger. I got sick of us signing players to fit into random holes and not fitting properly; yes, Allardyce has brought in versatility, but he's eradicated that policy. Plus, he'd only attract a 4-3-3, which is bad news when our players fit so sexily into 4-4-2. *Although - who's to say that we aren't? We've always, always been able to attract top quality players to SJP. |
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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2007, 05:49:59 PM » |
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Is it possible that we could have Duff and Diouf in the same team then? s***, why not get Brad Dourif in as well, and maybe Patrick Duffy.
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« Reply #43 on: October 23, 2007, 05:55:49 PM » |
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How is Diouf a top target for right-wing, in anyone's mind? He isn't a right-winger. If we want a right-winger, we should buy one. I thought we'd got out of this habit... According to Opta Stats, he's made the most runs and dribbles this season and put in the most crosses. Not that I'm advocating we sign him or anything. Thing is, SWP is playing regularly for Chelksi now, we have no chance of singing him, imo. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2007, 05:57:04 PM » |
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Isn't this just the same thread again, with a different buzzword?
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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2007, 05:58:09 PM » |
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How is Diouf a top target for right-wing, in anyone's mind? He isn't a right-winger. If we want a right-winger, we should buy one. I thought we'd got out of this habit... According to Opta Stats, he's made the most runs and dribbles this season and put in the most crosses. Not that I'm advocating we sign him or anything. Thing is, SWP is playing regularly for Chelksi now, we have no chance of singing him, imo. Regardless of where they finish up by the end of the season, a pretty big question mark hangs over the entire Chelsea squad. I'd still rather have an out-and-out winger, as good a player as Diouf is. |
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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2007, 06:07:38 PM » |
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Spurs are a classic example of a team that lost thier fulcrum.
All their play used to go through Carrick. They haven't been as good since he departed. The true worth of the fulcrum in one easy exercise. Spurs £40m later are still not what they were. |
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2007, 06:16:11 PM » |
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We haven't got one, but i think its only a matter of time until we do.
The squad needs a few more bodies in the winter window, and as long as we have a decent season i can see Ashley wanting to bring a big name in during the summer to boost our profile and image across Europe.
Arteta would be a good shout, amazing player.
A right-winger and left-back on low budget in January, then Arteta and Berbatov in the summer.  Sounds good to me, although i wouldn't bother with Berbatov, his attitude stinks, he'd cost a bomb, and he'd be 28 by the summer, i'd rather go for someone younger. What? Berbatov's attitude 'stinks'? That's a load of crap. If you were referring to him apparently looking not too happy yesterday, what do you expect? He was sitting on a bench for no good reason (from his perspective). Players want to play, they don't understand the concept of 'resting' unless someone else forces them. Just look at Owen for a prime example of someone who wants to play all the time. So of course he looked like he wasn't having the best time, especially with his team down by 2. And if you weren't referring to yesterday, then I have no idea why you might infer that Berbatov's attitude stinks. He didn't make any noises about leaving Spurs in the summer and since then hasn't said anything in public about his dissatisfaction with the club, if he is even dissatisfied about the club at all. If we miraculously sign him, it'll be a signal of intent to every other f****** club in Europe. If we somehow sign him, we'll have signed a top class player peaking, and someone who could pick any club he chooses in Europe. It would be a brilliant signing. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2007, 06:19:59 PM » |
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We haven't got one, but i think its only a matter of time until we do.
The squad needs a few more bodies in the winter window, and as long as we have a decent season i can see Ashley wanting to bring a big name in during the summer to boost our profile and image across Europe.
Arteta would be a good shout, amazing player.
A right-winger and left-back on low budget in January, then Arteta and Berbatov in the summer. Sounds good to me, although i wouldn't bother with Berbatov, his attitude stinks, he'd cost a bomb, and he'd be 28 by the summer, i'd rather go for someone younger. What? Berbatov's attitude 'stinks'? That's a load of crap. If you were referring to him apparently looking not too happy yesterday, what do you expect? He was sitting on a bench for no good reason (from his perspective). Players want to play, they don't understand the concept of 'resting' unless someone else forces them. Just look at Owen for a prime example of someone who wants to play all the time. So of course he looked like he wasn't having the best time, especially with his team down by 2. And if you weren't referring to yesterday, then I have no idea why you might infer that Berbatov's attitude stinks. He didn't make any noises about leaving Spurs in the summer and since then hasn't said anything in public about his dissatisfaction with the club, if he is even dissatisfied about the club at all. If we miraculously sign him, it'll be a signal of intent to every other f****** club in Europe. If we somehow sign him, we'll have signed a top class player peaking, and someone who could pick any club he chooses in Europe. It would be a brilliant signing. Wanted to play so much he had to be asked 3 times to warm up.  |
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2007, 06:20:54 PM » |
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Isn't this just the same thread again, with a different buzzword?
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