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« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2007, 12:22:02 PM »

From The Bends in 1995 to Kid A in 2000, Radiohead morphed from an artsy, grandiose Britpop band to an artsy, grandiose avant-rock group. That's the obvious story, and it's true. But there's another way to look at Radiohead's metamorphosis: 1997's OK Computer begins a progression from presence to absence, from assertiveness to near-disappearance.

The narrative drive of all great art is to dissapear...The need to erase..to find loneliness in company..to pause..to have the power to hold and judder the frame - the tongue...the clotting-the misaprehension- the slot for money...The otherness of misunderstanding - the mystery of not knowing - to be alble to not konw and show the 'not knowing'...qv Lynch, Beckett, Goddard...Erasure IS the holy grail of...................for finders are keepers.


Radiohead's 1993 alt-pop hit "Creep" may now seem like a bizarre historical footnote, but to me it actually cuts to the core of their aesthetic. The trick with that song was that it asked "What the hell am I doing here?" while the music left no doubt that Radiohead knew exactly what they were doing there, with the wall-of-sound guitars, soaring falsetto and especially Jonny Greenwood's guitar-hero chunka-chunkas before the chorus. It was kind of a ridiculous song, but there was something admirable about the way it attempted to cut through its own self-hatred.

Some bizzare and schoolboyish analysis...."Cuts to their aesthetic"....They are taking us on their journey yet idiots like this maintain THEY have some overview...overview of what? The computer will not destroy you. Yes the buddy system...touch base..hold hands dripping with aprehension and fear...jump up and down...journeys end.


The Bends stuck to the same script: here were songs about "Fake Plastic Trees" and "waiting for something to happen" that seemed to want to cut through plasticity, and that knew exactly what they wanted to happen. Musically, The Bends was all about confidence and clarity.


With OK Computer, though, Radiohead started erasing itself - Thom Yorke stopped enunciating, and started obscuring his voice with distortion. The songs still soared, though, and it seems to me that OK Computer is still so much-loved not only because of its dystopian theme, but because it's basically coherent - the songs are still songs.

Self erasure is the goal of all HIGH ART.


So the most important change from OK Computer to Kid A, for me, wasn't that Radiohead started more thoroughly exploring electronics or free jazz. It was that they stopped writing songs, and in so doing, became more like their narrators: meek, introspective, and confused. I don't mean that in an entirely pejorative sense, but I do feel like something's been lost.


In Rainbows is pretty much exactly what we'd expect - not quite as strange as Kid A, not quite as rock-based as 2003's Hail to the Thief, and not quite as paranoid as Yorke's 2006 solo album The Eraser. Like a lot of Radiohead's recent material, it's the sort of thing that might sound amazing live, but that doesn't fare as well under the spotlight of high-fidelity recording.


 

Wtf! is high fidelity recording when you're listening to an mp3 numbnuts??! 

Yes the solo album is always paranoid...The clue is in the word 'solo'.



The pieces - again, "songs" doesn't really seem like the right word - mostly seem like the byproduct of jams, almost as if Yorke wrote his lyrics by singing a few catchphrases over and over until finding a couple that worked.


There's nothing inherently wrong with this - Can, Neu! and many others have proven that jamming can create great rock music. But there are two problems when Radiohead does it. One is that they don't seem entirely committed to the idea: their jams come in four-minute slices, not enough to really get anywhere and not nearly enough to really get nowhere.

Join the dots? Cry laughing


The other is that jamming doesn't play to their strengths, which are Yorke's voice and their twisting chord progressions and melodies. Those things are both present on In Rainbows, but they're undercooked - Yorke mostly mumbles, and the chord progressions, though often lovely, are a couple stages removed from being sculpted into full songs.


The first track I actually felt like listening to twice in a row - and this was on my fourth spin through the album - was "Bodysnatchers," which is the hardest-rocking track on the album. Unlike most of the other tracks, it actually does rock - it sounds as if someone has shaken Yorke and Greenwood (who plays one of those trademark slippery lead guitar parts that we've heard so few of since "Paranoid Android") by the shoulders. And Yorke repeatedly screams the words "I don't know what I am talking about," which made me think that perhaps I was being unfair, and that I should listen to the album again.


After all, if the music is supposed to mimic the lyrics (which, since OK Computer, have seemed to describe a world drowning in so much infotainment, bureaucracy and police-state bullshit that really communicating with or relating to anyone else is just about impossible), then maybe the music is supposed to sound confused and uncommunicative. Perhaps this explains why Yorke now slurs his words when he's perfectly capable of saying them clearly, or why Radiohead's music now seems like jams rather than songs.


If so, this is a complex idea, and all I can do is assert that I find it really frustrating. I'm not exactly sure why, but here are a few possible reasons.


1. As confusing music goes, In Rainbows is the worst kind, since it isn't boldly confusing. If I want to be baffled, I'll listen to something really baffling, like Arthur Doyle or Iannis Xenakis or Scott Walker. In Rainbows maintains too many close ties to song-based rock to really confuse.

2. I'm not completely sure about this one, but being unable to relate to people and feeling disillusioned are bad, unhealthy things, and so maybe if I want to listen to music that's about being unable to relate or feeling disillusioned, I want the music to somehow cut through that disillusionment rather than reinforcing it.


3. Again, maybe Radiohead just aren't the band to pull this off. They've dedicated a lot of their time the past seven years to making bleeps and bloops and space noises, which is fine except, again, that's not what they're good at.


In any case, I can't shake the feeling that In Rainbows is like watching a great movie on an amazing flat-screen TV that I'm only allowed to watch while wearing glasses with the wrong prescription. (Which almost sounds like a the subject of a Radiohead song, come to think of it.) I can sense that there's something pretty great going on and even briefly catch glimpses of it. But as an experience, it's a little bit maddening, and eventually I'll want to throw away the glasses and pick up a book.


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Charlie you have made the classic error of mistaking misinformation as disinformation.....Choice of coda fella?[/size][/color]

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« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2007, 02:12:53 PM »

That's an awful review.
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« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2007, 02:21:14 PM »

Most misunderstood band of all time?

Meh, who cares for those who do.
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« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2007, 12:08:30 AM »

In Rainbows will in time be considered one of the greatest albums ever made. FACT.
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« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2007, 12:09:40 AM »

In Rainbows will in time be considered one of the greatest albums ever made. FACT.

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« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2007, 12:12:59 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.
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« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2007, 12:33:49 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.
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« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2007, 01:12:04 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.

Thom Yorke is a fraud.
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« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2007, 01:13:00 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.
and it'll give me a headache
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« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2007, 03:57:40 PM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.
and it'll give me a headache


Have you listened to it Maddass?
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« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2007, 04:25:44 PM »

Radiohead...s****
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« Reply #111 on: October 18, 2007, 10:12:09 PM »

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Radiohead are set to take ‘In Rainbows’ on the road in 2008 with a huge world tour last up to six month.

According to the band’s management the dates with start in the early summer and will take in larger venues than their shows in 2006.

Bryce Edge of Courtyard Management told Billboard: "We plan to tour next year, starting in May through to probably the end of the year. With lots of holidays in that period.

"At the moment we are talking with our agents in North America and for the rest of the world, trying to get a schedule which works for the band and works financially."

However, in the past Thom Yorke has voiced his concerns, some of them environmental, about world tours.

Edge added: "He likes to do shows, but the whole business of schlepping around the world is not top of his list of favourite things to do.

"He really enjoys playing to the fans - it's just the process of how to do that which is the pain in the neck (for Yorke). They're not road dogs. They never have been."

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« Reply #112 on: October 18, 2007, 11:20:00 PM »

Made £5m in the first week.
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« Reply #113 on: October 24, 2007, 12:07:33 AM »

OMG this is fuckin' sick; only heard the first two tracks so far and I'm donning a spiritual hard-on.

Still on Nude -- had no idea it was Big Ideas (Don't get any). Interesting to see them finally putting these b-sides out.
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Seven Samurai, Alphaville, El Angel Exterminador. "You've been brainwashed," Gibreel scoffed. "All this Western art-house
crap...your head's so full of junk," he advised Saladin, "you forgot
everything worth knowing."
The Satanic Verses, Salman Rushdie.

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Just as the projection was about to begin, Guy-Ernest Debord was supposed to step onto the stage and make a few introductory remarks. Had he done so, he would simply have said: 'There is no film. Cinema is dead. No more films are possible. If you wish, we can move on to a discussion.'
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« Reply #114 on: October 24, 2007, 05:57:13 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.

Thom Yorke is a fraud.

Yup.  A bigger fraud than Bono. 
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« Reply #115 on: October 24, 2007, 07:13:35 AM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.

Thom Yorke is a fraud.

Yup.  A bigger fraud than Bono. 

Psh. Don't see you lot doing much for trade tariffs for farmers in Africa. Or AIDS.
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everything worth knowing."
The Satanic Verses, Salman Rushdie.

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Just as the projection was about to begin, Guy-Ernest Debord was supposed to step onto the stage and make a few introductory remarks. Had he done so, he would simply have said: 'There is no film. Cinema is dead. No more films are possible. If you wish, we can move on to a discussion.'
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« Reply #116 on: October 24, 2007, 08:42:02 AM »

After a few listens, I agree with Parky - it's a great album.
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« Reply #117 on: October 24, 2007, 10:39:07 AM »

After a few listens, I agree with Parky - it's a great album.

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I rarely go big on an album so you can be sure when I do there is summat going on. Yes
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« Reply #118 on: October 24, 2007, 04:36:38 PM »

Nice bit of hyperbole Parky.

It's what I think. That's all.

Thom Yorke is a fraud.

Yup.  A bigger fraud than Bono. 

Psh. Don't see you lot doing much for trade tariffs for farmers in Africa. Or AIDS.

Don't think Bono does as much either.  He should concentrate on trying to make an album better than Joshua Tree.  Been shitting the bed ever since. 
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« Reply #119 on: October 24, 2007, 04:41:12 PM »

It's no Mirrored
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« Reply #120 on: October 24, 2007, 05:42:54 PM »

It's no Mirrored
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« Reply #121 on: October 24, 2007, 06:22:41 PM »

It's no Mirrored

You've got it in your albums of the year I noticed.
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« Reply #122 on: October 24, 2007, 07:11:58 PM »

It's no Mirrored

Pure genius, they play here in Nov.   Can't wait!  Did you make it to the show?
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« Reply #123 on: October 24, 2007, 11:06:56 PM »

It's no Mirrored

Pure genius, they play here in Nov.   Can't wait!  Did you make it to the show?

Aye.  They were brilliant.  The album is something, but live it's intensely good.  I mentioned it elsewhere but there's a full 60 minute show on Youtoob...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PbYLafK1OU

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« Reply #124 on: October 24, 2007, 11:10:24 PM »

It's no Mirrored

You've got it in your albums of the year I noticed.

I think I had about 30 with 2 months to go  Laughs  It's yet to be whittled down.
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