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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2007, 08:05:19 PM »

Was the 7th most productive player in the league last season and when you consider those above him had a lot better people in front of them to finish off the chances thats no mean feat.

Top 7 were (cant remember the exact order but its to show the quality of players):

Drogba, Henry, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Boa Morte, Milner....
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2007, 08:07:37 PM »

Was the 7th most productive player in the league last season and when you consider those above him had a lot better people in front of them to finish off the chances thats no mean feat.

Top 7 were (cant remember the exact order but its to show the quality of players):

Drogba, Henry, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Boa Morte, Milner....

Would probably have been higher if not for his illness late in the season, which kept him out for about a month I think.

I like him a lot personally.
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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2007, 08:10:50 PM »

Was the 7th most productive player in the league last season and when you consider those above him had a lot better people in front of them to finish off the chances thats no mean feat.

Top 7 were (cant remember the exact order but its to show the quality of players):

Drogba, Henry, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Boa Morte, Milner....

Would probably have been higher if not for his illness late in the season, which kept him out for about a month I think.

I like him a lot personally.

Yeah forgot about that. I think because it wasn't for us a few people just write it off as "if its not in the black and white shirt then im not bothered what he does" but it showed he had the ability to do something when given a run and shown people have confidence in him. With the stupid prices of English players these days we would have been mental to flog him for £4m!
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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2007, 08:13:09 PM »

Luque has to be granted a start dow the left as many people have been tryed out there and still all the play has to came down the right. Obrein, Dyer, pattinson the sib none of them has been productive. Roeder will never be a great manager if he doesn't learn to put his personal grievances behind him!!
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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2007, 08:13:43 PM »

Milner is doin great recently imo...apart from some of his crosses they need improvement like. no1 can question his workrate or effort tho
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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2007, 08:15:22 PM »

Given 7
Solano - 8
Ramage - 2
Huntington - 6
Edgar - 8
Carr - 6
Milner - 9
Butt - 5
Parker - 6
O'Brien - 6
Dyer - 7.5
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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2007, 08:34:44 PM »

Luque has to be granted a start dow the left as many people have been tryed out there and still all the play has to came down the right. Obrein, Dyer, pattinson the sib none of them has been productive. Roeder will never be a great manager if he doesn't learn to put his personal grievances behind him!!

Yeah, I was thinking that on the way back from the game.  We're getting ripped apart down our left time and time again; O'Brien doesn't look ready, Pattinson certainly doesn't look ready.. in the absence of Zoggy and Duff (although tbh I can't say I'm particularly missing Duff), surely Luque is worth a go, interested or not.  Robert didn't look interested for his last six months, but he still brought something to the team which the reserve lads just aren't at the minute {$default_sad_smiley}
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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2007, 08:38:09 PM »

Luque has to be granted a start dow the left as many people have been tryed out there and still all the play has to came down the right. Obrein, Dyer, pattinson the sib none of them has been productive. Roeder will never be a great manager if he doesn't learn to put his personal grievances behind him!!

Yeah, I was thinking that on the way back from the game.  We're getting ripped apart down our left time and time again; O'Brien doesn't look ready, Pattinson certainly doesn't look ready.. in the absence of Zoggy and Duff (although tbh I can't say I'm particularly missing Duff), surely Luque is worth a go, interested or not.  Robert didn't look interested for his last six months, but he still brought something to the team which the reserve lads just aren't at the minute {$default_sad_smiley}

I dont thik Patterson can make it on the left, through the middle though i do, looked good when he moved inside down at B/ham
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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2007, 10:24:48 PM »

Okay, he scored. But answer me this; how many times did Milner put in a decent cross or get past a player today?

The Motm award baffled me. I thought Martins had a much better game, considering he was denied any service. He could have had a hat-trick today, from opportunities that were barely half-chances. Unfortunately the way he effortlessly trapped, spun and hit the ball in one swift movement was met by the quick reactions of Carroll - Whose sponsorship deal with Nobo contractually obligated him to play dressed as a highlighter pen. Carroll spoilt his impressive shot-stopping display and services to promote office supplies by blatantly wasting time every time he received the ball in open play.

Parker and Butt were poor - They just huffed and puffed to little success. They didn't provide any protection to the back four or provide any service to the forwards as Martins and Dyer dropped back deep because they wouldn't have received the ball otherwise. Martins as I said did his best to turn shit into gold, but Dyer struggled to make any impact other than win free-kicks at the edge of the box, which Rennie's inablility to move the wall the required ten yards back rendered useless.

Huntington and Edgar were the least experienced of the five who played in defence, yet looked the most composed. Solano seemed to desperately fling at everything and put us into bother with ropey clearances. Carr was played out of position, but I was particularly miffed when he let a ball go out of play for a throw-in rather than attempt to trap it with his left, needlessly putting us under pressure. And was it any coincidence that we conceded our two goals when Ramage was on the field?

Alan O'Brien's decent display made the decision to play the patently inferior Matty Pattison out of position - His natural position being in the crowd with the rest of us - even more strange.
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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2007, 10:34:05 PM »

I don't really agree that Hunty and Edgar looked solid. You can't expect much given their inexperience, but we looked shaky down the centre all through the game. I'd give a bit of credit to Huntington though, because despite the fact that he was struggling, he kept challenging and taking responsibility. Both of them need to fill out a bit before they can be a trusted partnership in defence.

O'Brien I thought improved as the game went on, and has earned another chance.

I thought Reo-Coker was outstanding. If we have any chance of signing him, I'd take it.
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« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2007, 11:59:36 PM »

Is Jonathan Pearce a West Ham supporter or something?!
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« Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 12:20:52 AM »

Thought Milner had another good game. The best thing about today is that we didn't just roll over and die, but upped our game and got back at them. It could've gone either way in the end, but it turned out to be a decent match after a shitty start.

Anyone else think Martins' touch today was awful?
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« Reply #72 on: Yesterday at 04:03:33 AM »

I dont think Martin's touch yesterday was awful.He should get a goal yesterday but Carrol was at his best and the there was one time where the ball hit the post.Anyway back to the game,the 1st half was poor,I thought we were going to get humiliated again,but thank god we didnt.Milner's goal should be ruled off but I dont care.We played much much better in the 2nd half,and I think we were unlucky not to win the game.I also hope that Given's injury is not a serious one.
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« Reply #73 on: Yesterday at 05:17:14 AM »

I think O'Brien has a decent game, and has done much more than all Pattison's did in the past.
His crossing is really impressive.
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« Reply #74 on: Yesterday at 05:21:02 AM »

I dont think Martin's touch yesterday was awful.He should get a goal yesterday but Carrol was at his best and the there was one time where the ball hit the post.Anyway back to the game,the 1st half was poor,I thought we were going to get humiliated again,but thank god we didnt.Milner's goal should be ruled off but I dont care.We played much much better in the 2nd half,and I think we were unlucky not to win the game.I also hope that Given's injury is not a serious one.

some of his touches in fashioning chances were world-class, though in open play he was a little bit sloppy but it would be harsh to say awful.
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« Reply #75 on: Yesterday at 07:56:07 AM »

I think Martins played well.Should have scored at least one goal but he was unlucky
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« Reply #76 on: Yesterday at 08:03:28 AM »

Honestly thought it was one of Martins' liveliest games. Touch was better than before and was very involved unlike many of his other games.
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« Reply #77 on: Yesterday at 10:45:29 AM »

The general concensus from my group was that it could have been worse, but really should have been a hell of a lot better.
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« Reply #78 on: Yesterday at 11:49:49 AM »

Thought Milner had another good game. The best thing about today is that we didn't just roll over and die, but upped our game and got back at them. It could've gone either way in the end, but it turned out to be a decent match after a shitty start.

Anyone else think Martins' touch today was awful?

His touch on the ball is bad, and he lost the ball several times when he shouldn't have done. But we have to be realistic and accept the package he's offering. Great finisher but not very good during the build up.
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« Reply #79 on: Yesterday at 12:05:14 PM »

Agree i think Martins has so much to improve...his touch isnt the best and he gives the ball away almost everytime he gets it!! He seems to have no idea about whats going on around him! Amid that he's looks sharp! Hopefully he'll learn alot from Owen when he returns...
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