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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Bowyer wants away!!
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on: November 18, 2005, 05:54:02 PM
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A disgrace? He started it and tried to finish it, Dyer can be absolved of any blame, Bowyer said so himself.
Um, of course he did. Thats called PR, my good man. Dyer is a more valuble asset [monetarily only... but thats the bottom line in club football]. It was 'say it or be sacked' territory.
Anyway, have got to say that I'm really disappointed in the Newcastle fans. Yes, I agree with every post condemning Bowyer's character, but Newcastle fans used to be the best in the world 'cos they took to their grafters, regardless of all else.
Its a sign of the way things are going (in an age where Beckham is the most talked about footballer) that a little blinged-up worm is defended to the hilt simply because he has more "style".
I never ever condone violence, but Bowyer should decked the little prick. As for pocketing more money than he deserves??! Thats roughly have of what the other little waster pockets for not even trying.
Too much money too early spoilt the brat. Had one of the most respected managers in football, who gave him everything and put his faith in him, and screwed him over. How's that for character, boys? Dont really remember Lee doing that...
And, to be honest, you're all hypocrits. You think Dyer has a future, so his misdemeanours are overlooked. He has an appaling record... aside from the allegations [Disproved or bought off?] of rape, and the whole sex scandals, and the frequent visits to the police station and drunken incidents? If he wasnt a footballer, he'd be locked up. Then again, thats not fair - if he wasnt a footballer, and didnt have fawning people like you to excuse his every transgression and justify his wage - he might have ended up a decent lad with some kind of respect for cash and moral values.
Bowyer is scum. But so is Dyer. Every inch. So criticise him on football grounds or else stop with the double standards. Sometimes I think that 2005 Newcastle fans would take to a vintage Zidane or Pele even if they were presiding over a second holocaust or something, or a mass murdering Johann Cryuff and Beckanbauer.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Transfer rumours so far
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on: November 18, 2005, 05:32:53 PM
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you seem to miss the fundamental point. no one player is bigger than the team, and no one player should not have a small doubt as to whether they will play every game in a season.as i see it, Bouba Diop would probably do just as good a job as parker in the holding role, so he's good to come to newcastle. it's better than having faye who isn't as good as parker, but sometimes has to play. i cant believe the mentality of some people. Chelsea won the league, and had a great midfield, and still brought in essien. they had robben and duff but still bought SWP. we can't afford to have a mentality where the current incumbents of the shirt are as good as we're gonna get.
if we have kaka, don't be tempted not to go for ronaldinho just because kaka is good.
"You seem to miss the fundamental point. No one player is bigger than the team, and no one player should not have a small doubt as to whether they will play every game in a season. "
Um, no. No. NO! You miss the point! Seriously, man... Newcastle aren't the biggest club in the world (regardless of what you may think). No-one said that Parker is bigger than the team; however, being an idiot and claiming that Newcastle should avail of a "bargain" and strengthen the strongest part of the team rather than concentrate on covering the glaring deficiencies is borderline stupidity. Yes, aim high. But lets not make imbecilic suggestions about replacing our best player just to maitain the widespread illusion of this club's grandeur as being enormous. Maybe it once was.... but no more. A good injection of realism would go a long way and help the team to be built slowly and strategically forwards.
This 'we're-huge, so-lets-go-for-the-very-best, regardless-of-positional-needs-or-long-term-strategy' attitude has been responsible for some of the most catastrophic and embarassing purchases the club has made. Souness may be a godawful manager, but I would applaud the fact that he seems to have a bit of realism. Build the club from foundations up, ghet fourth, consolidate fourth, then begin to think about third. Trying to but big plaers - as has been done in the past - just to say that the club is big is stupid. Just as stupid as to tell players they're not bigger than the club when they've never claimed to be. Unfortunately, Mr. Shepherd is prone to doing exactly that sort of nonsense.
As far as I can tell, NO-ONE has said that Parker is bigger than the club.... they've simply argued with you that Parker should not be dropped - he's been the best player this season. Okay, if you're Chelsea and there's a better player out there, you go for it. NEWCASTLE IS NOT CHELSEA! Pragmatism dictates the purchase of wing backs, a striker or two, etc. Stop pushing the envelope and stop with the desperate attempts to propogate the world's most transparent illusion.
"Chelsea won the league, and had a great midfield, and still brought in essien. they had robben and duff but still bought SWP. we can't afford to have a mentality where the current incumbents of the shirt are as good as we're gonna get." No, no... seriously, mate... c'mon.... They're not comparable situations!!! Unless a billionaire tycoon buys Newcastle, you have to build in stages - climbing the ladder rung by rung, as opposed to takin'the express elevator!!
I'm not suggesting that we have an inferiority complex or settle for second best. NEVER. But we need to cop on, and be willing to slowly claw our way to that level. To do something the aforementioned didnt have to worry about BUILDING a team.
"As I see it, Bouba Diop would probably do just as good a job as Parker in the holding role"
Regards your other argument, yeah, maybe PBD would do as good a job as a holding player. But Parker's not a holding player. Nor do we need one. The Makelele-style floater is a different animal to, say, Roy Keane (of old). Parker can easily be a roaming, box-to-box man and yet still make the tone setting tackles and challenges. The guy has the engine, and has the desire. Makelele aside, the best defensive midfielders dont sit in front of the defence: they do break up play, and make their presence felt, but they do it a in a more intimidating and roving fashion.
FINALLY....
"If we have Kaka, don't be tempted not to go for Ronaldinho just because Kaka is good."
KAKA IS A BETTER PLAYER!
More natural...
More vision...
Less ego....
Have the likes of Dyer, Robert, Ginola, etc still not taught Newcastle fans that STYLE is not the most important thing in the world?! Ronaldinho is a fantastic player... but so is Kaka. Only thing is: one Brazilian - in a fashion not dissimiliar to David Beckham - does more replay-friendly, video-bite tricks.
I'd take Kaka over him in an instant.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Emre songs
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on: October 29, 2005, 12:18:53 PM
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"And here's one I made earlier" (to the tune of YMCA...obviously more of a song than something that'll be sung at grounds  ) "Toon fan, there's no need to feel down. I said Toon fan, when you walk to the ground I said Toon fan, with your bottle of Brown, There's no need to be unhappy! Toon fan, there's a place you can go I said Toon fan, every time you feel low. You can go there, and I'm sure you will find, Ev'ry ones fav'rite Turk on Tyne. Du-du-du-duduh! It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re He knows every trick, which you men can enjoy Opposition fans he'll annoy... It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re Skills you couldn't have dreamed, tricks you couldn't think real. He can do anything thing he feels... Toon fan, you will surely agree. I said Toon fan, he's as good as Rob Lee. I said Toon fan, he can make real your dreams, But you got to know this one thing! He can, do it all by himself. I said Toon fan, he brings joy to yourself, The skill is rare, of our Super Emre, I'm sure he will score goals today. It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re It's fun to stay and watch, Su-per Em-re He knows every trick, which you men can enjoy Opposition fans he'll annoy... You've got to go and watch, Su-per Em-re, you'll love the skill of the Su-per Em-re.
Too much time on your hands, mate, thats for sure...
But love it !!! It'd be savage to hear the whole of St. James going at it! |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: What's up with that?!
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on: October 28, 2005, 12:30:06 AM
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show me these polls slating Parker
I'd fancy chewing them over.
Ah, I never said he was slated
Just slightly underrated
I've been misinterpretated
My poetry is picking up, eh! *groans*
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: What's up with that?!
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on: October 27, 2005, 01:25:52 AM
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Not at all, your post just came across as if you were a neutral asking a question thats all, don't take offence
None taken. You'll have to try harder than that to put my nose outta joint!! Nah, it was objective and neutral, and also a little just out of surprise that the fans haven't taken to him perhaps as much as I thought they would. *shrugs*
Guess a fair few lads are just impressed by trickery over tenacity, style over substance. I'm stickin' with the grafters for now.... the rise of the flash bastard (beginning and ending with that prissy **** Beckham - the prima metrosexual) never rested easily with me. If I had kids that wanted David Beckham jerseys Id be distraught! But hey, I'm gone totally off the point here...!!
Sorry!
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: What's up with that?!
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on: October 27, 2005, 01:19:30 AM
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He may have ridiculous eybrows, mishapen buttocks and as I said before, small feet but I believe some of those polls may have been tongue in cheek.
And boy, don't get me started on Parker and Taylors gerbil cheeks.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: What's up with that?!
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on: October 27, 2005, 01:13:56 AM
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"Support"?
Um, if you mean as in team, I woulda thought the fact that I was posting a 'Defence-of-Parker' would have implied that I was a Newcastle fan. Why? Did I say something unMagpie-like?! |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: What's up with that?!
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on: October 27, 2005, 01:07:23 AM
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A couple of polls recently.... Seems well behind the glamour players: Emre (who you can understand being popular), Owen (who cries off with the slightest injury but is always ready to play for England. Mercenary, anyone?), Taylor (who's fantastic and a local lad), but also the more, um, 'mundane...
Also, its how far behind he appears to be that I find curious/worrying
The lad throws himself in front of everything, and gives his all no matter what. A couple more players in that vein wouldn't go amiss!
He's even trailing behind Amdy 'Anyone-can-make-a-living-as-a-footballer-if-he-can' Faye in one poll; which I can only assume was a joke! [If not...] |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / What's up with that?!
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on: October 27, 2005, 12:51:02 AM
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Cant help but notice that in lots of the polls run lately, Parker seems to be scoring very lowly; is he really held in such low regard by Newcastle fans? Or is it just 'cos a defensive orientated midfielder is never gonna catch the eye and be a standout favourite?
Just curious to know...
Whats up with that?!
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: England's troubles began ....
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on: October 09, 2005, 06:50:19 PM
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Ah...
Thats why I said why I was Irish.
Knew somebody would say it.
You're an idiot. Why do you always have to get so defensive? Never ever admit that something is a fair point.
I want England to do well. Why make it personal and attack Kerr?
Yes, Kerr's not doin' so well - makes stupid decisions, plays the wrong players, etc - but we dont pay him FOUR MILLION A YEAR! |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: England ratings (Alan Oliver style)
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on: October 09, 2005, 06:46:40 PM
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SERIOUS RATINGS! :
Robinson- 7- There when needed.... reliable always. No question marks. Thank God
James has finally been ditched!
Young- 7- Impressive, looked the part. Could potentially mount a serious challenge to
Neville sooner rather than later
Carragher- 6- Mr Dependable. Nothing special, but plugged the hole well.
Terry-7- Some crucial late blocks, A little shaky early on... not affordeed anywhere near
the protection offered at Chelsea. Must be hard to adjust.
Campbell- 6 - Hamstring woe. Did nothing wrong really till then. Still rate Upson though.
Cole- 6- Busy, but still offers little solid. A showboat with infinite talent but not really
any understanding of how to play the game. His old West Ham mate is an
infinitely better player, but dont expect Eriksson to ever look at Carrick
Beckham- 6- Unlucky with red card, but as usual offered little more than nice touches.
Cant run, cant tackle; Captain fantastic? Really?!
Lampard-5- Disappeared totally in second half. Set up doesnt suit him...
Gerrard -7- Better than last few gamres. Grafted hard; like Lampard, finds it hard to
adjust to slower international game
Crouch-6- Battled hard, did okay. Never likely to get too many goals, but depends what
you play him for. Linked up well enough with others.
Owen-6- Needs games. Never really had too much to work with, to be honest.
Subs
Ferdinand-6- Slotted straight in, but no time to make a mistake. Hopefully the dropping
was a wake-up call.
King-6- Did grand, but where was he supposed to be playing? A holding role?! Hold
on, Sven, ever heard of Scott Parker or Michael Carrick?!?
Richardson-5- No chance to shine. A decent player, but Downing's still top prospect for
the wide berth.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: England's troubles began ....
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on: October 09, 2005, 06:32:49 PM
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Won something with Gothenburg!! Wow.
Serie A: Actually has a pretty dismal record considering that Lazio were the Chelsea of their day in the mid-late 90's. And look at the state he left that particular club in. How ANYONE could spend that much money and not leave the club with solid foundations is unreal...
Come to think of it, ever watch Serie A regularly back in those days, Ozzie? Or did you just take the same facts at purely face value that the easily impressed FA have used to justify their selection?
Typical really... the English national team have now gone down the path of many premiership clubs and hired a foreign glossy manager, purely 'cos they think it makes them look better.
Be realistic, pick a solid manager, and work on basics.
I'm Irish by the way.... and can objectively say that there have been some fantastic Enland managers down through the years. Erikssons a joke. No clue. The FA have sadly gone the way of SSN and commercialism, and have thrown professional judgement out the window.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Steven Gerrard Injured...step-up scotty?
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on: October 09, 2005, 06:19:21 PM
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Seriously lads, give it a est will you....
Do you not get it? Form and ability count for little.
This is a man so gormless and devoid of footballing intelligence that he picks his teams based on names alone. And, when not by name, then by club.
Scott Parker deserves a shot, yeah. Definitely. So does Michael Carrick for that matter. But Beckham in a holding role ahead of them?! C'mon... only way they're ever getting a crack is when the hopeless FA decide to sack the headless chicken.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: England's troubles began ....
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on: October 09, 2005, 06:15:07 PM
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And it should land on Sven, 'cos lets be honest - McClaren's input, good or bad - he's still bloody clueless...
How in the name of God that man has managed to convince anyone that he's a park-league standard manager, let alone an international one, is beyond comprehension.
He's the managerial equivalent of Beckham.... hopeless, just an image/name.
Would he have got the FA job if he were English? Nah. He's Swedish, continental, and therefore must be great. Amazing.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Lee Bowyer: What do you think?
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on: September 24, 2005, 01:05:28 AM
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Fully agree with ya, Toon Crazy: Jermaine Jenas was never gonna even come close to hitting the heights predicted when he burst onto the scene. Didn't improve in any area, and lost his hunger/drive. Complacency and money can do terrible things to you...
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Lee Bowyer: What do you think?
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on: September 24, 2005, 12:28:13 AM
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What do we reckon? Limited player, yeah, but he's always given the side a bit of drive... particularly from centre-mid.... and he's never shied away from doin' a bit of work and putting his foot in.
His personality means that he mightn't be the most appealing of characters, but Id take anyone who's willing to run himself ragged for the cause ahead of the likes of Dyer..
Okay, when we have a full first team fit, he probably wont make the starting XI but I still reckon he's an important squad player at the very least. Infinitely more so than Faye.
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