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1  Football / NUFC / Re: Crouch in january on: Today at 12:33:05 AM
I don't get believe that its a given he's off this Jan. Liverpool don't have to sell him as they're still in the Champs league so unless they intend to get someone in who isn't cup-tied and decent (Villa?), they'd be left with just Kuyt & Bellamy as their main strikers with Fowler (scouse Pav tbh) as back up. They're no nearer to winning the league so the champs league is probably their main focus for this season, and for that one reason alone i'd wager that they'll keep/need him until at least the summer when all the major shuffling occurs.

And (to cover me arse) if he does go in Jan, it'll be double figures as it's going to be a sellers market for anything half decent.
2  Football / NUFC / Re: Best Opposing Player You've seen @ St James' Park on: December 22, 2006, 12:06:30 PM
Zola....just about the only time i've wished the ball to an opposing player, absolutely magic.
3  Football / NUFC / Re: Benitez's Transfer Record, Hit or Miss? on: December 09, 2006, 11:52:26 AM
Reina doesn't need to put on a performance like Given's at the Emirates because we so rarely get thrashed like that. Given for me is a good reaction shot stopper who, because of his stature, is weak in the air and also has poor distribution. He's the perfect keeper for a team with a weaker defence in that he gets a chance to show off his hollywood saves on a regular basis. If he was as good as everyone in Geordieland says he'd have been off like a shot years ago.

Reina's a modern sweeper keeper - allows the defence to play a higher line, good shot stopper, excellent distribution and clears the ball by punching. Conceded the fewest goals from set pieces in the league last year and has already set numerous club records in terms of clean sheets and minutes without conceding a goal. Like most young keepers he went through a less confident spell at the start of this season but he's come back in sparkling form.

Maybe I was a bit harsh on Given, after all he's far better than Robinson Wink

Eh?

4  Football / NUFC / Re: Benitez's Transfer Record, Hit or Miss? on: December 08, 2006, 05:27:05 PM

Pepe Reina - £6 million - Hit

have to disagree there, he is not one of the best premiership keepers

He's streets ahead of Given as a keeper.

As for Gonzalez - he's a kid who only cost 1.5m. Needs time to settle and has been unlucky with injuries sine arriving. Pennant cost 6.5m. Agger has been our best defender this season - he'll be a mainstay for years to come.

the ONLY thing Reina is definately better than Given at is saving penalties, and i'll give him long kicks downfield for free as i've yet to see any decent keeper worse than Given at that yet
5  Football / NUFC / Re: favourite crap NUFC player on: December 07, 2006, 02:21:21 PM
Paul Cannell........good song

Joe Allon.....'cos he used to talk to the fans in the Leazes when he'd be warming up
6  Football / NUFC / Re: State of Football - Death of a game, Birth of a monster on: December 05, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
Check out the picture they've used for Roker Park   bluebiggrin.gif

A touching subject mind..............................


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0tkwqhXTc4

whats the song ?



Walk away - Cast (I think)
7  Football / NUFC / Re: State of Football - Death of a game, Birth of a monster on: December 05, 2006, 08:37:44 AM
if you think Sky's bad, wait till Setanta get their quoto of games!!
8  Football / NUFC / Re: How did the U18's get on today? on: December 02, 2006, 04:28:30 PM
won 4-0
Good. Any ideas who the scorers were?

Sorry, haven't a clue......caught the result on the bbc's videprinter.
9  Football / NUFC / Re: How did the U18's get on today? on: December 02, 2006, 03:57:09 PM
won 4-0
10  Football / NUFC / Re: Been In Paris For A Week on: December 02, 2006, 12:26:43 PM
damn....thought this was a Britney Spears thread!!
11  Football / NUFC / Re: Solano at Full back on: December 01, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
thought he did ok, although he missed getting close to their player for a few crosses (same as Ramage), when they attacked down our right but i'll put some of that down to still going into 'midfielder-mode' and drifting infield.

I know he'd have his work cut out against a pacy classy winger, but then, who wouldn't - I can only really think of Ashley Cole who wouldn't/shouldn't.
12  Football / NUFC / Re: candidates for a new defender on: November 11, 2006, 08:41:35 PM
Bridge - but we look a very unattractive destination for him the longer the season goes on like this.
13  Football / NUFC / Re: Manchester City V Newcastle United - Post Match Thoughts. on: November 11, 2006, 08:32:39 PM
Lucky to get a point.

If they had started with the two big lads up front we'd have got nowt but a tanking.

Midfield was over-run for the most part, Parker & Emre kept getting in each others way. It was noticable that when Dyer came on he split Parker & Emre up and that made it (a little bit) harder for City to get through.

We can pass the ball when we try, there were a couple of passages of play when we were moving it around pretty canny and as we can do that why why why do we still persist with hoofing it up bypassing the midfield in the hope that our lone forward, Sib - who's as game as they come but limited (slow), can win a header against Distin & Dunne. Just giving the ball away.

Solano should take Milner to one side for a day and show him how to control, pass and cross the ball properly.

The fans looked & sounded canny.



 
14  Football / NUFC / Re: Andy Johnson on: November 09, 2006, 06:51:35 PM
I see everyone has bought into the media line then

It was a blatant penalty last night, same as against Fulham. Since Wenger opened his mouth he's suddenly seen as one of the worst divers around. Laughable.


'fraid its just his reputation (earned) catching up with him.
15  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 09, 2006, 05:39:03 AM
The bottom line is Luque goal ration to start appearances are far higher than Duff, Rossi and Martins...That by itself is enough to convince a SMART manager to play this guy because at any momement he could create a goal out of nothing like Robert used to do for us...

I understand now why some people are called idiots because they let their personal feelings blind them from seeing and understanding STATISTICS...

WE ARE NOT SCORING GOALS WITH ROSSI, DUFF AND MARTINS...CAN'T YOU GET IT YOU IDIOTS...

When has he created a goal out of nothing?

Agree to an extent but it's a bit difficult to create something OR score when you're not ****ing playing isn't it?  Rolling Eyes

That is completely true, and it brings everyone back to as to why he isn't being played. Other than guessing, there are only two people who know the reason and they haven't (yet) talked.


You don't have to guess to realize it's a purely personal reason.  he was told to "fight for his shirt" against Palermo, even though he was playing out of position as a lone striker, and though he still won us the match he's benched for the next 2 games.

And to prove how fickle our fans are, was there a "Luque Hero" thread made after he won us the Palermo game that no one expected us to win?  Of course not, he's critisized for his performance.  But Harper gets one after the Watford game even though he was at fault for their goals.

Saying for certain its definitely a purely personal reason against Luque is still a guess, normally if theres any unrest at any club whether it be one or a group of players it'll eventually find its way to the back pages, but so far we've seen/read nowt. Now, for the record, my guess (and thats all it is) is that its more a professional than personal bias against him. The why's and what for's I haven't the foggiest and neither does anyone else.

16  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 09, 2006, 04:21:01 AM
The bottom line is Luque goal ration to start appearances are far higher than Duff, Rossi and Martins...That by itself is enough to convince a SMART manager to play this guy because at any momement he could create a goal out of nothing like Robert used to do for us...

I understand now why some people are called idiots because they let their personal feelings blind them from seeing and understanding STATISTICS...

WE ARE NOT SCORING GOALS WITH ROSSI, DUFF AND MARTINS...CAN'T YOU GET IT YOU IDIOTS...

When has he created a goal out of nothing?
His goal against a European team in July was scored with such skill and came when least expected it...His goal against Palermo was from the ONLY decent cross all night and he scored from one attempt...

The two goals in the reserves again a very strong Liverpool side...

Reserves!! howay
17  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 09, 2006, 04:19:10 AM
The bottom line is Luque goal ration to start appearances are far higher than Duff, Rossi and Martins...That by itself is enough to convince a SMART manager to play this guy because at any momement he could create a goal out of nothing like Robert used to do for us...

I understand now why some people are called idiots because they let their personal feelings blind them from seeing and understanding STATISTICS...

WE ARE NOT SCORING GOALS WITH ROSSI, DUFF AND MARTINS...CAN'T YOU GET IT YOU IDIOTS...

When has he created a goal out of nothing?

Agree to an extent but it's a bit difficult to create something OR score when you're not ****ing playing isn't it?  Rolling Eyes

That is completely true, and it brings everyone back to as to why he isn't being played. Other than guessing, there are only two people who know the reason and they haven't (yet) talked.
18  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 09, 2006, 01:26:23 AM
The bottom line is Luque goal ration to start appearances are far higher than Duff, Rossi and Martins...That by itself is enough to convince a SMART manager to play this guy because at any momement he could create a goal out of nothing like Robert used to do for us...

I understand now why some people are called idiots because they let their personal feelings blind them from seeing and understanding STATISTICS...

WE ARE NOT SCORING GOALS WITH ROSSI, DUFF AND MARTINS...CAN'T YOU GET IT YOU IDIOTS...

When has he created a goal out of nothing?
19  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 08, 2006, 07:17:48 PM
I didn't catch the 2nd half of the Sheff Utd game so missed his 25 minutes and as I was pissed off at the result I haven't gone out of my way to read any write-ups on it so don't know if he was great/average/or on a par with everyone else that day. However what I do know is that we lost, now last night we make changes, didn't bring him on and as baffling as it may have seen at the time, it worked, we scored and we ended up winning.
Now, if we'd lost 2-1 then you, me and everyone else would have laid into Roeder and quite rightly so for having midfielders upfront instead of strikers (btw isn't he supposed to be a winger anyway!) but we can't, or at least shouldn't as what he did in regards to the team last night worked, and that is what the point of my original post was about.

So what you're hinting at is that he came on and we lost therefore it was a bad substitution and we'd have been better off leaving him on the bench? Using your logic what were half the team doing gettting a game then after the shite they served up on Saturday?

I cant believe that some people have such a blinkered view as this, we scored from midfield and suddenly Roeder is a tactical genius for not putting a striker on?  Rolling Eyes Its true what they say some people cannot see any further than the result, scrape a win and the worlds ok, lose and its crap. Im afraid lifes much more complicated than that, sometimes we could lose but take heart from the fact that we played well against a strong team and were unlucky. Then theres times like last night where we are average, get pressurised and manage to grab a late goal and its down to penalties. Times when most people can see we are being led by probably the most inept manager this club has had in the last 20 years.

Roeder is clueless in his use of subs, the Luque affair makes us a laughing stock, play a player out of position rather than use a recognised multi-million pound striker? Bring him on but take off the only player capable of feeding him the ball? Why put him on the bench at all? We might as well have left the seat empty and saved ourselves the cost of taking him down there.

No, what I was 'hinting' at was that I didn't see his performance so couldn't say whether he deserved a starting place against Watford. If you can find anyone who says Roeder is a 'tactical genius' then please feel free to ring the men in the white van, unless you're hinting at me that is! What I was saying was that there were a lot of folk who are unwilling to give him even a modicum of praise for making a change, winning the game and instead throw a hissy fit and berate him for not bringing on Luque.

20  Football / NUFC / Re: Albert Luque on: November 08, 2006, 07:03:26 PM
Canny bit of knicker twisting going on here like.

We're losing a match, make changes, end up winning and folk are complaining 'cos we didn't bring on the right sub, howay lads.

 

Because most of us are looking at the bigger picture and assessing things like Roeder's ability to man manage and bring out of the players, the financial repercussion of losing Luque for peanuts...etc as opposed to being overjoyed by a lucky penalty win over a poor team.

If looking at the bigger picture is calling Roeder, for example, a 'grade A prick' (which he isn't, he's just out of his depth) for not playing Luque tonight when we go on and win, then crack on.
In regards to the financial repercussions of losing him, we were always going to lose money on him as we'd overpaid (as usual) to start with and i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact he's not been given enough games to play his way into a move back to Spain.



Roeder is being called a 'grade A prick' (and deservedly so) for a) saying that Luque has to prove himself against Palermo and subsequently dropped him after he scored and b) refused to put him on even when we were trailing with 12 minutes to go. If you prefer to say that he is out of depth, that's fine, eitehr way it still means that Roeder is crap.

Yes we were always going to lose money on Luque as we overpaid but it does make a difference whether we lose him for 1M or 4M. His price will only increase if he plays regularly. The previous argument used to be that we should not put finance above team performance, but that does not apply anymore as Luque is better than Rossi and most certainly better than Duff being played out of position. It's only Roeder who refuses to play him for reasons best known to him which is affecting both our team performance and Luque's potential selling price.

U should not lose sleep over the fact he's not been given enough games to play his way into a move back to Spain, but you should at least be worried that the manager is not playing his best team and refuses to put on a striker even when we were trailing with 12 mins to go.


I didn't catch the 2nd half of the Sheff Utd game so missed his 25 minutes and as I was pissed off at the result I haven't gone out of my way to read any write-ups on it so don't know if he was great/average/or on a par with everyone else that day. However what I do know is that we lost, now last night we make changes, didn't bring him on and as baffling as it may have seen at the time, it worked, we scored and we ended up winning.
Now, if we'd lost 2-1 then you, me and everyone else would have laid into Roeder and quite rightly so for having midfielders upfront instead of strikers (btw isn't he supposed to be a winger anyway!) but we can't, or at least shouldn't as what he did in regards to the team last night worked, and that is what the point of my original post was about.


I'd take your point if we had beaten Arsenal or at least a credible mid table team, but I don't consider luckily beating Watford on penalties when we were under the cosh for almost the entire second half and extra time as success or something to be happy about, such that we can disregard future implications of Roeder's decision. Papering over the crack tbh

So if we'd played him and lost you'd have been happier, is that what you're saying?

Papering over cracks, buying time, delaying the inevitable it may be, but we won and in regards to last nights game, thats the reason for playing.

There are real problems at this club and they need addressing asap or else we'll find ourselves cut adrift at the bottom. These are what my worries are, not whether we put the supposed right sub on and go on to win.
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