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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Class JJ
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on: December 21, 2005, 04:43:46 PM
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Still would like to know how our sh*te defence has only conceeded 1 more than yours?
strangely the goals against column doesn't really tell the whole story. our defense is considered sh#te because they've given away most of the goals conceded. while the ones against Spurs have generally been well taken goals. in other words, our defence commits suicide, theirs were murdered. something like that. 
i think it's fair to say we'd take Lee, King, and Dawson if we had a chance to add them to our squad. whether they'd take Bramble, Carr, and Babayaro, i doubt it.
another thing is, we concentrate on defending more than those guys do, due to our lack of any attacking strategy other than hoof it up and hope Owen or Shearer does something out of the blue. we may be only 6 points behind them and have conceded only one goal more, but the difference in the quality of the football between the 2 clubs, sadly, has been much more than what those stats show. we go into matches hoping we'll grind out a win. they approach theirs with the plan to outplay the opposition. at the moment, the different approaches show a difference of those 6 points and, what, 5 positions? we'll see what it translates to at the end of the season. personally, i like to watch good football but we won't be getting that while Souness is around.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Luque For Gravesen
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on: December 21, 2005, 02:00:01 PM
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| 9m Luque for the 2.5m Graevesen? i don't think so. but if graevesen was available for 2.5m i'd take him in a heartbeat. imagine him and scotty parker in the middle of the park, we'd have some midfield. any team will find it difficult to dominate us. yes we need a bit of flair but that can come from Luque, EMre, or Nobby. |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No money for Souness
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on: December 20, 2005, 04:46:40 PM
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the reason i brought up Viana was a pre-emptive before someone would say Luque is cheap in comparison. 8.5m for Viana may seem a lot now, but at the time that was the going rate for top young players. it's no longer the case these days, unfortunately except when it comes to Souness it seems.
again, let me say i'm hoping Luque turns good for us but his transfer fee is the same as what you lot paid in total for Lennon, Dawson, Lee Young Pyo, 18 months of Mido, Robinson, Tainio, and Davids.
yeah we got you back by selling Jenas to you at a higher price than what we paid for Parker, but still it shows Souness does not have the eye for a good buy. We can't always buy Parkers and Owens at every position, we ain't Chelsea. we need quite a number of players, the difference between our preferred starting XI and their back ups is like night and day, touch wood if Parker gets injured or Owen takes another knock that's us fighting for mid table scraps. is Souness the man to sort that out and build a decent squad on a realistic budget? somehow i very much doubt it.
Unless I'm getting completely the wrong end of the stick, you think I reckon Luque and Viana were 2 duff buys. I don't think that at all. Viana I said was a good buy that didn't work out and tbh, Luque hasn't been seen enough to judge whether he's good value or not, but based on what he did in Spain, he represented fair value for money. Anyone who hasn't previously played in the premiership represents a bit of a gamble, some more than others. The Spurs players you mentioned included 2 bosmans and it would be fair to assume that fairly hefty signing on fees were paid even if a transfer fee wasn't. The others included 2 championship players practically unproven in the premiership and 1 known troublemaker. I think the transfer fees paid also recognised that there were gambles being taken on the players ability to adjust.
k forget Viana, there's another thread on him going on.
for the 2 bosmans, Davids and Tiano, even assuming Davids got his 2m signing on fee, he's still a bargain and i can't imagine you paid big money to Tainio. 1m for Lennon was hardly a risk and Dawson's 4m tag has a lot of appearance clauses in them as you probably know better than me. Lee is a workhorse who plays two positions in one go (he's your whole left side!) and Mido was a player eager to correct his bad rep, a player Jol took a chance on fancying that he can handle him but can always ship him out at no loss if he was no good. gambles? perhaps. Still, it says something about Jol's creative buying on a budget, and the fact that all 6 of them are contributing well to SPurs's cause indicates that Jol and co did their homework, something that i only wish Souness would or could do.
is it a bigger risk to buy those 6 or to put all your eggs in one basket like Souness did with Luque? you tell me.
you're bound to get a Reid with all the buys Jol's been doing but overall i think we're in pretty similar situations where we can't buy like Chelsea or Manure but have to be clever. while Jol has used the money to buy a squadful of experienced pros for a song or young hungry talents whose attitude he can shape, Souness has no such vision. we still have no defence other than Given, we depend too much on Owen, and after Parker our midfield is still a big question mark.
i didn't mean to go on a rant here but the fact i've always stuck with is that Souness can't see a good buy if it hit him in the face, and i agree completely with Nothern Monkey's comment that he can buy the obvious like Parker and Owen but when it's time to get clever he's sadly lacking. i'd be more optimistic if it hadn't always been that way with him throughout his management career.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No money for Souness
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on: December 20, 2005, 03:07:56 PM
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the reason i brought up Viana was a pre-emptive before someone would say Luque is cheap in comparison. 8.5m for Viana may seem a lot now, but at the time that was the going rate for top young players. it's no longer the case these days, unfortunately except when it comes to Souness it seems.
again, let me say i'm hoping Luque turns good for us but his transfer fee is the same as what you lot paid in total for Lennon, Dawson, Lee Young Pyo, 18 months of Mido, Robinson, Tainio, and Davids.
yeah we got you back by selling Jenas to you at a higher price than what we paid for Parker, but still it shows Souness does not have the eye for a good buy. We can't always buy Parkers and Owens at every position, we ain't Chelsea. we need quite a number of players, the difference between our preferred starting XI and their back ups is like night and day, touch wood if Parker gets injured or Owen takes another knock that's us fighting for mid table scraps. is Souness the man to sort that out and build a decent squad on a realistic budget? somehow i very much doubt it.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No money for Souness
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on: December 20, 2005, 01:45:17 PM
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my sentiments exactly, Northern Monkey.
bigtrev i know it's not Boumsong's fault that Rangers set the 8mill price but we wouldn't have had to pay it if Souness could have identified better (or even just other) options would we?
Luque may not be injury prone but he seems to be out quite a lot. and for a player his age and his achievement record in his career 9.5m whichever way you look at it it's no bargain. don't get me wrong i hope he (and Emre for that matter) all prove to be great buys but at the moment Luque looks expensive.
we paid crazy money for guys like Viana but that was before the bottom fell off the transfer market. it should be more a buyer's market these days with even major European sides barely buying these days, if you noticed. yet with Souness's limited knowledge of players to go for, it suddenly becomes a seller's market when the interested buyer is Newcastle United F.C.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No money for Souness
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on: December 20, 2005, 10:30:57 AM
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he's bought good - so let him have a bit more and then bring in someone who is actually capable of managing the lot 
his best buy is mickey owen but any of us could have told FFS that owen would be a useful signing. next after that is Scotty Parker and the same could be said about him too. and even Nobby.
as for the others.
boumsong's been shaky and certainly not 8m material. faye is one dimensional, luque is injury prone, babayaro is crap, moore just here to add up the number, Emre looks good but jury still out he disappears from some matches.
our squad is very thin these days and we obviously still need a central defender, a striker, a left winger, a right back, a left back. heck we could even use another midfielder. that's basically every position almost.
surely we can't go out and buy a 6m let alone 10m player for every position that needs strengthening.
my point is Souness may have done well with the 17m (and 80k/week?) capture of Owen and the 6m (55k/week) Parker, but his record in buying lesser named players has been awful and from what i've seen him bring to SJP that doesn't seem to have changed nor does it look like it might. |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No money for Souness
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on: December 18, 2005, 08:26:45 AM
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catch 22, i guess. anyone can see we need at least another central defender desperately, yet after seeing what souness can come up with for 8m (boumsong) i suppose FFS is having doubts.
or perhaps the club is wising up, doesn't want to be held ransom by other teams hence now pretending we're skint. |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Reyes, Bergkamp and Cigan out for Arsenal!
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on: December 10, 2005, 01:18:32 AM
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bad news about Cygan, but still, Arsenal have been strangely poor away from home and Bolton made them look very ordinary last week especially at the back. Arsenal is beatable, and if this was our Newcastle from 2 seasons ago we'd be licking our chops at the prospect of playing them at SJP while they're a bit out of sorts.
things being as they are though, with our shaky defense and lack of any game plan whatsoever, our only chance for this match is prayer. perhaps their strikers will miss sitters, Lauren might get sent off, Gilberto will be his usual ineffective self, and Henry hits the post 5 times. Then Emre comes up with a good free kick against the run of play. Of course, the odds are stacked against that, as opposed to the more likely scenario of Bramble and Boumsong running into each other thus allowing Henry a one on one against the exasperated Given which he converts and we end up chasing the game and conceding even more goals.
we'll just have to see if our luck holds up.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Givens contract talks start tommorow; still not happy
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on: December 10, 2005, 01:09:41 AM
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there certainly won't be a shortage of clubs who'd want him, especially Arse and Manure. Perhaps it's no coincidence that Arse stuck with the poor Lehmann this season and Manure went for a keeper with a 2 year shelf life? it certainly wouldn't be beyong either of those 2 to have done so with some devious designs planned for another club's player. Given'd also be an improvement over Reina at Liverpool. Boro could also use him but i doubt he'd want to go there. Point is, he'd have his pick of clubs and it would either be on a Bosman in 2007 or a cheapish price in 2006 cause of the shortness of his remaining contract period, thus he knows he's looking at big money whatever he decides to do. at 29, this is his last chance of making a big move.
the only chance we have of securing his services for a longer period is if some miracle happens between now and the end of the season (i.e. we suddenly come good). with Souness in charge and Bramble/Boumsong in front of Given, you wouldn't put your money on that happening would you. failing that perhaps FFS would have to double his salary and agree to a small get out fee clause (like 4 or 5m) to at least have Given give it another shot. whatever the case is, how we let his situation get to this stage, i'll never know. it was a bad move. maybe FFS took his loyalty for granted. he's always been a model pro, unlike Dyer who whines and gets into trouble. if one of these 2 players was to have his contract extended early with a big pay raise, you would think it would be Given but sadly seldom does logic count for anything around the dealings at SJP it seems.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Bramble
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on: November 29, 2005, 10:14:34 AM
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funny Bramble pointing to the reason for his problems as him and Boumsong not having had a string of matches together. his mistakes have mostly been individual ones. Bramble's simply too error prone and seldom can this problem be eradicated from central defenders. those coming to mind are guys like Frank Elliot, Michael Duberry, Gary Doherty, and Ramon Vega. these guys will have a decent two or three games but then suddenly they're go back to their old selves again, gifting the opposition ever so generously. it's sure time for us to cut our losses on Bramble if we seriously have any ambitions beyond staying up.
but then again, we also knew that about Bramble. what's particularly worrying is that Boumsong is now seemingly keen to emmulate his pal. |
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Greetings from Korea
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on: October 30, 2005, 08:05:34 AM
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no need to apologise for the english, its exempilary (top notch (good)) apart from the last sentance which i guess should either be "i hope we crush west brom or hopefully we'll crush west brom", wish implies that its already happened.
no other mistakes though, if you've just learnt english through lessons i'm impressed, my french is terrible at producing niggly mistakes.
and at a shot in the dark... Nayhoma.
That's Mandarin, not Korean
sorry to be pendantic but that's actually Cantonese (dialect of Mandarin). Mandarin would be Ni Hao Ma.
and Korean is Anyong hao seiyo.
both the korean players signed by Manure and Spurs are good players, imho. certainly not just marketing gimmicks. Park is fast and tricky but it's Lee whom i think we should have bought. at the peak of his career for a defender, he practically plays 2 positions in one go (left back and left winger). he's right footed so loves to cut inside, but has fast feet and can cross with either foot. he was a snip at 2m and his attitude is examplary. why Souness didn't at least try for him, i don't know. would have been good for our team, and made 500 toon fans in Korea delirious i'd imagine.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Jenas Bellamy Ambrose...
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on: October 23, 2005, 07:23:40 AM
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Think you might have been watching with one eye closed.  Broke up play after play, more than Carrick and in the first half was Spurs' best MF by far. The rest imposed themselves more in the second half and in the end Spurs could easily have won it. Fortress Old Trafford is looking more and more like Fergie's Bouncy Castle. A lot of teams going there will have a decent chance of leaving with a point.
a bit harsh on your own side. Spurs got a point cause they actually played well to get it, not because Manure were bad. just because they underestimated Blackburn and didn't beat SPurs, don't let that lull you into underestimating them just yet. they've still got great players and the ability to give any other team bar Arse and Chelsea a good trashing on any given day. Spurs made Manure look ordinary, and i'd put it down to the mentality and confidence that is changing at Tottenham, sorry to say, rather than the demise of Man U. Man U will still be top 3 at the end of the season.
As for Jenas, he still doesn't look like a 7m pound player, but the free kick was class just as the way he creeped into the opposition box unmarked last week. he didn't make as many wayward passes as his first few matches for Spurs and did in fact break up quite a number of Manure's attacking forays. overall no doubt his best performance for Spurs yet, but i always had the feeling he was a role player rather than a player who enforces his talent on the field. time will tell if he develops into a mature reliable midfield player, but at the moment imho he's still looking shaky and needing tougher midfielders alongside him to protect him. i think he still needs plenty of coaching. Souness was never going to get the best out of him. We'll see if Jol can.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: Who are our main rivals?
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on: October 22, 2005, 07:29:57 AM
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firstly, what is the definition of "main rivals" here? teams we hate? or teams we expect to be near us position wise at the end of the season?
despite Souness's best efforts, we still have the players to ensure anyone but the top3 are our rivals. players like emre, parker, owen will ensure that we can get a result against anyone on a given day. But with Souness's lack of any strategy or plan, it also means we can lose to ANYONE in the league. the way i see it, our season rests on individual players fighting to overcome Souness's incompetence. meaning our main rival is Graeme Souness himself.
the way we've started the season, i'm sorry to say getting points against the likes of West Ham, Porstmouth, Mackems, Brum, Everton is more important than the likes of Chelsea, Manure, Arse, or even Pool or Spurs.
Getting rid of Souness would be a nice start, at least then we won't be starting matches with a handicap from the off.
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: No more excuses
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on: October 18, 2005, 07:10:59 AM
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ok, refereeing decisions, bad luck, injuries, discipline, etc etc aside, the thing i want to know is does anyone actually believe Souness has a game plan when he approaches a match?
every team has a bad result once in a while, but it's the way we play (even when we beat blackburn 3-0) that makes me hate souness.
to those who moan our bad luck, don't you find it ironic that luck is the one thing that souness seems to be pinning our hopes on?
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Newcastle-Online Forum / NUFC Forum / Re: A mackems view of our club! Check it out....
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on: October 13, 2005, 11:58:49 AM
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When King played that role for a season a couple of years ago, he performed like that most of the time, but I agree, you have to have somebody doing the job all the time, not one season in three. So, as well as he played last night, it's Carrick for me at Spurs and Parker for England. Sure, Gerrard can do the role as well, but his ego won't let him stop being Mr Action Man all over the pitch and start being a disciplined defensive player for the team. Lampard is better going forward so he gets that job IMO. Parker likes to support as well, but is much more disciplined and if he's not allowed within the formation to get forward, he won't. It's that indiscipline with Gerrard that has caused the lousy performances from England recently. If King (or Parker or Carrick) had played in the Denmark game, there is no way we would have conceded 4 goals.
Glad we're agreed on Carr, with Jenas you may well be right. I'm happy to wait for this season to see if MJ can use his coaching (and perhaps more importantly man management skills) to get the ability and talent that Jenas has got to show itself.
Defoe definitely had his confidence knocked when England opted for 4-5-1 rather than picking him, that may be a long term benefit to both Spurs and England. At the moment though he is more thinking of Jermain Defoe than his team when he gets the ball in dangerous areas. Strikers have to be selfish, true, but not to the point of ignoring what is going on around you. He's got a long way to go before he starts getting close to Michael Owen.
yup Jol would have to pull out his management and coaching technique to bring out the potential in Jenas. it wouldn't have passed your notice every end of the match the big guy always purposely searches out Jenas and puts an arm around his shoulder while seemingly giving him some pointers. i think Jol knows this boy needs some special treatment to get him on the right track. it remains to be seen if Jenas will respond to it, but at least it is proof that Jol knows he has to have a way to deal with Jenas.
regarding Defoe, watching him play, i'd say he's no bigger culprit of selfishness than say a van Nistelrooy. it depends on what your side is looking for in a striker, and seeing how your midfielders seem to lack any kind of firepower, i'd say you should be thankful you have one who takes it upon himself to conjure a shot, even if he might force the situation at times. whatever the case is, he certainly creates his own shot and finishes much better than your other small striker (Keane) thus i wouldn't be as critical of him in that aspect. to be deadly a striker needs to be extremely confident and when they're extremely confident they may do too much themselves. very few, like Henry and to a certain extent Owen, are able to find that elusive balance between selfishness and being a team player both at the same time. if i was to crictize Defoe i'd say he gets caught offside too often but other than that i think he's a great striker, lovely finisher, very fast and scares the sh*t out of opponents the way Owen used to when he first came out.
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