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Have a big slice lads, you deserve it!!

Those of you who don't want to eat it can shove it somewhere else!!

That's if you can squeeze it in past your heads!!

to be fair he has been cack of late,today he rediscovered his champs league form,can he do it next week ?????

Hope so.

Chirst here come the proud fickle few who boast of undying support of a man who not more than three days ago was the scorn and pity of most on this board... line em up now...  The class shown since our "Prince of Goals" threw 1 possibly 2 past a keeper of Shite is absolutley astonishing.

I don't particularily care about Shola Ameobi as a player.  What has he done?  A few odd goals here and there.  But to laud him as the "Next One" is laughable if not fatalistic.  Get a good price while his stock is up and run!!!!!!!!

Stuff it appropriately!?!

Aye he played well.... for one match.  Show me a good long run of form and then I'll be convinced he should have a regular place on the squad ahead of Alan Shearer.  Until then I will continue to hope that January comes with a new striker on the books and one-hit-wonder Shola Southbound and out on the tiles.

Ahead of Alan Shearer?, Shearer doesn't do nearly enough to warrant a place either.

Rocker I know what your saying.  I would just hope that we stayed with a veteran up front.  Don't get me wrong.... I want Shola to score 25 goals this year.  But by gum he needs to prove consistancy in his play.  He was awefull in the reserve squad last week and his form dips and trips too much for me to fully endorse.  There is no one on this board who would welcome a turn around from Shola Ameobi than myself.  He's got all the pieces of a valuable talented striker.... now show it...consistantly.  Okay, give him a match versus Grimsby.  Maybe it will shore up the confidence.  But I'm not yet ready to put aside experience for the waffle iron just yet.  Shearer was a ghost out there today.  But he is still a mighty distraction.

Talk about knee jerk, he could have scored a hat trick but it wouldn't change the fact he's been shit for ages and I'd still want him replaced tomorrow.

And the next time he's shite, will you accept it, and take your knee-jerk reactions and shove them up your 'rse?

He was alright yesterday, but it doesn't make him a good player.

I haven't been as harsh as many about Shola, but come on this is one performance his first quality performance in a long while. We need a lot more from him before his "haters" as you call them can eat humble pie.

Anyway I am sure those "haters" would prefer him banging in goals for us rather than him being shite. His form as of late has not helped him that much.

Yesterday he looked hungary and after the goal looked confident. He is a nice lad and I am sure everyone WANTS him to do well, but I have to admit he hasn't shown enough as of yet to make me think he is a long term solution. Keep it up though Shola.

It's only the mackems!

Don't believe what some of you are saying. This was the one match we couldn't lose this year. This was the match that had to be won. Shola delivered and that's that.
He's a hero, he's up there with the best in my book, and he will be for the rest of his live. And to say this was easy because it was Blunderland is a travesty. We all know that the pressure is enormous, he handled that! He's a local lad, and he scored two against the Mackems, what more do you want from a striker?

He can be injured for the rest of the season, but in my view he's worth every penny we pay him.

Well done, yopu exemplify why we have average players like him, dross liek Faye and pverrated no-marks like Dyer at this club.

Sorry, we all like to win against the mackems, but this was the one match we had to win?  Are we now down to the mackems level where the one thing we look forward to is the chance to beat them across the river?  He scored against the mackems.  Excellent.  Now if he could score against at least a few of the other 18 teams in league then he might rise in my estimation from shite to mediocre.  O'Brian scored against the mackems as well, we still shipped him out when he wasn't good enough.

What he said.

Shola's shite. He scored two goals against a shite defence and all of a sudden he's great.

what they said.

Some times I think Shola tries to hard starts doing the tricky stuff instead of the simple, he did the simple stuff very very well yesterday. Kets hope he is starting to find some form and can keep to it...

First of all, you do remember O'brien to score against the Mackems, that cannot be taken away from him. Next to that he played here for four seasons like, after that goal.

It's important to understand the pressure Shola was under, I think. He's been playing sh!te for a long time now. It looked like he had his last chance and all of a sudden he gets another and he takes it. Just take a look at how things are standing before the match against Sunderland: We didn't have the best of season starts. We lost the last game against Wigam. There were more than 50 thousend people in the stadium who needed to see Newcastle win. The star-man, Owen, was out injured. I know there are people here who wanted us to lose, but if that happened our club would be in a big crisis. The manager was under a lot of pressure (and no matter who the manager is), a football player should do everything he can, to take away this pressure, especially when a certain boss gives him a lot of chances. Yesterday Shola did what can be expected of a football player. He did the thing why I personally like the game.

However I don't say Shola is the best striker we've got. I don't say he should be our focus, or that we should build a team around him. All I say is give him what he deserves. He scored twice to beat the Mackems, at important moments in the match. Give him credit, and don't knock anything off.

noone has said he's great.

But saying "What more do you want from a striker" when he's had one good game is a bit daft.  I want someone who isn't being carried for nine games out of ten!  If this is the start of a miraculous turn around, great.  But he's had the odd false dawn before, and he's had more second chances than anyone.

It's hard to have a run of form when you're being left out of the team in favour of a living legend that unfortunately is also past it, but remains undropable.

When will this club stop living in the past and get on with the future?

I've supported him consistantly against many people on this board so to say this is a knee jerk reaction is bollocks.

Hmmm yet another who doesn't know the meaning of the phrase "knee jerk reaction".

No, you're right, one performance doesn't make him a good player, but his undoubted talent and a decent run in the team might.

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but wouldnt it be a knee jerk reaction to start supporting shola based on this performance only?
like was said earlier, he's had false dawns before.

He played well yesterday but was completely overhyped on MOTD2.

He's still a poor player, and at 24 or whatever he is to have one good game a season is appaling. At his age he should be challenging for the England squad but he's been consistently poor for years now.

Fair play to the lad yesterday though, chuffed for him.

It's two more than Shearer managed against the same shite defence. We've been waiting nearly all calendar year for a performance like that from either Shearer or Shola. Shola gave us one yesterday, so IMO, should now be ahead of Shearer in the pecking order. Will not happen though.

I'm not so sure they do!

Just look at how reticent many are even to admit he played well yesterday!!

They come out with stuff like"it's only the mackems", only the mackems!! only the mackems!! what do you mean "only" the mackems!?! what team do you support again???

And:

They're a shit team, well so are Wigan and they beat us, so are Fulham and we drew with them, and in fact, so are we at the moment!!

Just imagine if someone else had scored a couple of goals yesterday, Alan Shearer for example. I think most of those on here slagging off Shola would be singing Big Al's praises, and rightly so, but it would still be only the mackems and they'd still be a shite team, wouldn't they!!

Just look at the difference between what people are saying about Emre and what they're saying about Shola and ask yourself, is it fair or are they just being one eyed?

So, if people who've said he's useless suddenly eat humble pie because of one good performance in an unadulterated calender of shite, like you as them to in this thread, is that a knee jerk reaction?

Yes it would, but like I said, that's not what I've done.

If Emre had been given chance after chance to prove himself and been a waste of a shirt for months I'm sure they'd be saying the same thing - he had a good game, but it's one out of too many.  If Al had scored 2 I'd be just as exstatic, but I'd still say he needs replacing.

Yes, but how does that make what I said a knee jerk reaction? Whose knee is doing the jerking? Not mine!!

i give you that, but i'm just saying that for the majority(myself included) it will take many more quality performances before they get behind him and trust him to deliver.

So who exactly do you think we should play up front???

The only one left is Chopra, who by your standards has probably had "chance after chance" and not proved himself?

right then: If a striker is to be classed as good enough, he must score goals, yes? How many? 1 in 2 for a top striker? 1 in 2.5 for a good one, 1 in 3 for a decent-ish one? 1 in 4 if they often start on the bench?

He's scored 1 goal, in 6 appearances (3 as sub).

Wait till Christmas, and see how many he's got. I'm pretty confident it won't be a good enough tally, cos frankly, he's poor.

Fine, I've got no problem with that. However, some  on here don't seem to want him to get the chance do do that, afterall how's he meant to maintain his form when he's in and out of the team?

In my opinion after this performance he should start the next game and be given a run of games to prove himself. Even if his form drops a little then he should still start for a while, otherwise he'll never be able to settle, and Shearer's hardly been setting the world alight recently, has he.

Chance after chance?  How many games has he had compared to Shola?  At the moment there are times when we've got to play Shola.  But that doesn't mean we have to pretend he's any good, and that we shouldn't be looking as hard as possible to replace him.  It also doesn't mean that when he suddenly pulls out a decent performance we need to get the flags and banners out and declare he's not shite.  I'd certainly play Chopra more, maybe if Shola knows he's not going to be gifted another start after a mediocre game he can turn it on like he did yesterday more.

I agree with you.

The biggest problem we've got up front is that certain people are guarenteed to start, regardless of their, or anyone else's, form. I think if that weren't the case and both Chops and Shola got more games, and by that I mean runs of games not just the odd one here and there, then they'd be able to establish themselves and prove the doubters wrong. I think both of them have much greater talent than most people on here recognise and if they weren't living in the shadow of other people they'd prove it.

everyone but bureaucrats (or those with an agenda?) know he scored 2 yesterday.

I'm just saying - thats what he's down as. One goal won't make a difference anyway, because he's going to be nowhere near enough goals, even if he gets the run of games he "deserves".

And Shearer's Premiership record this season:

10 Games 1 Goal

Does that make him crap?

Christ, man, they're both crap. You don't have to be a genius to see that!

Yes.

Yes.

What a ridiculous question.

i think he deserves to be in the team because he's better than shearer (not saying much now tho) and luque is injured.

The crying shame is that Souness was so disgracefully short-sighted that he didn't replace Shearer in the summer. Then we wouldn't need to have these conversations.

Despite the fact that I think he shouldn't be in the team at the moment, I don't think it makes him crap.

I think it means he's out of form, whether or not he'll regain his form is another matter, but I don't think he's crap just because he's not scored many this season. In the same way, I don't think Shola is crap because he's been out of form.

You're going to say how long can somone be out of form for, well my answer to that is probably as long as they're in and out of the team for. To build form someone needs a run of games, has Shola had that over the last seasoon or so? No. Is this the chance for him to do so? I think it should be. Will he get it? Probably not, unfortunately.

Howay, he started 17 league matches last season and scored 2 feckin' goals.

I have always called Shola`s games as i see them. I was really pleased for him and his confidence yesterday. One thing i have noticed is that i don`t think its to do with form, he seems to only try when he has too ie big games ( in his eyes ).
Rocky must have been pissed off, he finally gets within a sniff of first team action and a chance to replace SA as super-back-up-boy and shola scores 2.

So who would you play then?

Because, you'll find that using your definition of what makes a good striker, all of ours are crap!! (Except possibly Owen)

So I think it's your initial statement that's actually ridiculous and not my question!