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I thought id put this post up as my piss has eventually boiled over with this guy. I have tried to defend him but after todays shambolic performance by him ive just had enough. He was outmuscled by a first division player his positional sense and all round game were appaling. We were mugged of 8M for this total and utter pile of shit. he never ever looks comfortable on the ball and his all round general defensive game is woeful. If titus had put in the performances that this guy has the last 6 mths he would be lambasted and as far as im concerned this guy isnt fit to lace titus's boots thats how bad he is. Id even go as far as saying he isnt as good as Andy Obrien

Rant Over

Boumsong your'e shite mate Piss Off and take that useless **** Amdy Faye with you on your way out

He gets worse with every game.

£7m Milan?

Please take him.

He was all over the place. Souness needs to tell him to hold his ****ing position!

However, it's not his fault he cost £8m.

He must be low on confidence.  He should really be dropped but we don't have good enough cover.

I have come to the conclusion that nobody will ever be able to build a successful team at Newcastle while we have such fickle people in our fanbase.  One month someone is great, a few months later they're worse then shit and need to go.. what chance do we have.

I agree teasy, come christmas they will be loving Boumsong, he will be a hero again, every palyer drifts in & out of ofrm, give the lad a break FFS!!!!!

Yeah needs to be dropped of the tyne fooking bridge...
he is without doubt garbage,and deserves his slagging off..

He's a classic example of a player lacking confidence imho.

I am certainly not fickel........ i just recognise shite when i see it and boumsong is certainly that. The crap titus used to get from people on here,and this guy is actually worse than him but gets nothing. How this pile of shit ever plays for france is beyond me

He's been well ropey for a few weeks now. He's a French international ffs, so I hope its just form.

I just add that when he's not playing, we miss Titus and those great balls he hits upfield.

He was poor today. He either performs or cocks up, he needs some consistancy. We need the same 4 defenders playing with eachother regularly. Thing is most of them are injured. Oh, and while we are talking about shit plerformances I just wanna say how bad Baba has been playing. He is playing like a mackem! Sort it out!

i thought he had a good game against Wigan apart from that header.
today he was very dodgy, and partly at fault for one of their goals, and kept being caught in possession and not connecting with the ball during tackles and slipping and moving out of position and not winning headers. tho in the second half i did feel he moved out of position to cover ramage. but compared to taylor, who made a succession of good tackles and blocks including two goal-saving blocks, and who only made one error which led up to the elliot crossbar chance, he looked severly lacking. not the same player he was last season.

bit harsh like what with him being injured.  bluelaugh.gif

I thought Boumsong was at fault for the crossbar chance, he was woefully out of position as usual, leaving a ridiculous gap in the middle.

some of you disgust me.

have you completely forget that this guy was playing for us for half of last season, and did very well for us?

No let up's for poor form on this board! The lad has plenty of talent but as others have said is REALLY low on confidence since the ManU game and people getting on his back will really help this  bluewink.gif

To be honest I'm still undecided whether it's a lack of support from the midfield or just him in general. I mean I know he doesn't get the best support from our midfield, but Taylor always looks alright with the same protection. I wonder how he'll perform if paired with Bramble again.

truth


drop boumsong, give him time to sort himself out, then play him again, the only way, we should have done it with jeenas years ago. so stop you're counterproductive whining glory fans.

people who play football realise that sometimes you just go through patches when nowt goes right, but the only way to change that is to keep trying, and boum is in a rut atm.


ps. WHAY shola, only 23 to go :D

He isn`t showing signs of sorting himself out lets hope he is ok next week, would be a shame to not have him as in form as last season. I was suprised to see him out-muscled. Taylor was excellent today, he would have made anybody look bad playing next to him.

in fairness, he's only ever looked better than a shite defender when he's been alongside Bramble

he misses titus's pace and strength in the tackle, with Taylor he needs to get closer to people, im sure Souness wont persist with this partnership

Christ give the lad a break.

Still not sure about him, but he'll never make it here with some of the fans we have. Once a player is out of form, we're all over him. And the players know it, and the pressure builds.

Watch Jenas be a star for Spurs. Boumsong will be a top defender IMO, but probably not for us.

Our midfield offered very little protection today as well. He had a bad game, dismissing him as shite is idiotic.

I still think Boumsong is a class player, but there's no disguising the fact that this season he's been pretty dodgy.

I don't know what's gone wrong with him, but it needs sorting.

outmuscled by a division one player....o right aye, i forgot that the premiership players are the strongest in the world, shame on you boumsong.

yada yada yada........ this is getting a bit boring imo. i dont think he was that poor today, and once his confidence returns he'll turn out to be the best defender we'vehad in quite a while (not counting woody who was always injured).

easy on the blind criticism and ever ongoing witch-hunt of some poor lad who's had a couple of bad matches....

Give the guy a break

fickle kneejerk reaction :spam1: :roll:

What the **** has he done wrong now for **** sake????

Countless times he cut out crosses, put in good blocks etc, yet he still gets slated. Neither of the goals were down to him.

Naff off.

He was generally quite poor today.

Was turned inside out very easily by Elliott for the second goal, and went walkabout for the crossbar chance they had late on.

As I've said before though I believe he will come through and be class for us, I don't think people writing him off as shite will help anyone though.

Turned easily for the Elliott goal? Why can't we just give a bit of praise for a class goal? If that had been Shearer we'd have been drooling over it. Again, as with the Wigan match. Had Parker not gave the ball away pathetically, Boumsong wouldn't have been put in that position.

Not taking anything away from Elliott, was a class finish. But you can't hide that Boum didn't cover himself in glory for it.

What does Parker have to do with it? We're tralking about Boumsong. I like Boumsong as a player, but you'd have to be blind to say he wasn't suspect today.

Why do you expect us to overlook his bad mistakes then in the same post slam Parker's pass as pathetic? Double standard surely?

Two weeks in a row Parker has put the centre-backs in the shit because of a crap pass, and it's cost us two goals.

I dont understand what Boumsongs problem is!!! It seems he is playing a different system to everyone else, Its like Boumsong plays man for man marking and everyone else plays in zones, Something like that.

Souness can not drop Taylor!!! When Bramble is back it has to be Boumsong dropped, Hopefully Boumsong will wake up if his position is under threat

How exactly soes that differ from Boumsong's errors today, and his header against Wigan last week?

Because we got away with it when it was Boumsong's fault?

He's never looked more than average, been getting worse and worse, had an absolute nightmare today.  £8 million?  You must be kidding, he's weak as piss.

Sorry that was totally Carr.

Jesus, leave him alone. He cost 8 million, he was expensive and last year he looked good, he will regain form.
What about Ferdinand? 30 million and he is having a horrible time of it as well, you think he will stay playing as bad as he is?

He was no worse than Shearer & Parker. He was average at best but doesn't mean he's shite. He made some crucial blocks, tackles & interceptions, yet for some reason, he's being blamed for their 2nd goal.

Unbe****inglievable.

He dropped clanger after ****ing clanger, and if not for some luck he could have given them another 2.  He's looked average at best and an utter liability at worst.  Some people must have been watching a different match from us.

Eh sorry Parker was good! He had a dead leg and at the end of the game he was still flying in for challenges.

Unbe****inglievable.

But I agree I thought Boum was ok.

Parker had to calm down because of his yellow card, Last thing he wanted was a red card

There is no doubt that he is in poor form at the moment. Has he become a bad player over night. Because I seem to remember most people saying last season that we have finally found someone who is quality and can lead our back line with some authority.

Hopefully Souness will rest/drop him for the Grimsby game. The way Ramage played today I would be confident of him and Taylor coping with the Grimsby atttack on wednesday.

Hes is going through a bad spell at the moment, I think he will come good again.

Exactly. Posts like "Boumsong is total shite".

F**k off man. He's on a bad run, no more, no less. He was class for Auxerre, is class for France, was class for Rangers, and was very good for us last season.

Personally, I don't think Boumsong is as bad as he's been playing lately, but on the other hand I don't think he's good enough to be the player you build your defense around.

Yes, he's one of the starting centre-backs for France, but the fact the he generally is paired with Gallas, Thuram, and Sagnol, and has Vieira in front of him as the defensive midfielder, helps to hide his weaknessess.

In my opinion, he's generally pretty good in the air and on the ball, but is horrible positionally (he was all over the pitch today), and suffers from not having a really strong defensive midfielder in front of him.

Note that both Mackem goals, as well as the shot that hit the crossbar, were from 20-25 yards out, a position where it is really the defensive midfielder's responsibility to be disrupting play.

Nooooooooo. You eedjit. Boumsong should be blocking them by controlling them on his chest and spraying inch perfect 70 yard balls to the wingers.

to me it appears that boum tries to be everywhere at once in dangerous situations, and thus ends up being nowhere significant.  maybe he doesn't trust carr (who was bad) or the new boy, ramage (who was good) ?  he really looks his best when he's one v one w/ a forward and that's why we cheer about how he keeps players like henry in his pocket.  when boum only has to focus on shutting down the oppositions danger man, he's focused and very good...b/c he doesn't have the time/responsibility to worry about everybody else's job.    how's that for a theory?  blueconfused.gif

Top post Bulivye, I agree. Thats exactly whats happening to him. He needs to learn to stay in the CB position and not get dragged out of position.

He just seems to crumble when he's put under pressure. And yes, he is guilty of trying to do other defenders' jobs for them.

I watched the game in the pub and got my wife to record it. I thought Boumsong had a decent game today, was a lot more confident in the air and covered well on quite a few occasions. I honestly can't see where this negative bias comes from????The second goal would have been scored against any defence in the league! It was pretty good.
I also think that the midfield (until the substitutions) was more attack orientated (parker included) than usual and I also would say that both goals should have been cut out by a midsfielder rather than pulling a defender out of position. By the way, Elliot had a great game today and caused us problems.
I thought the teaM PLAYED SOME GREAT FOOTBALL IN THE FIRST HALF and in the second it was more even as they came out looking to win it and also played like they can do (which is resonably well!).
Sidenote: Who gave Shola drugs before the game, do I know this bloke??? Excellent performance, can he do this more often please......

You've hit the nail on head.

A lot of people praising Shola today (and rightly so), yet no-one slagging off Caldwell.

Yet Elliott had a blinder for them today and Boumsong is getting hammered for it.

Both correct.  It was a class goal, but Boumsong was still turned easily.  As the nearest defender, you should have been looking to him to get in a block.  If the block isn't successful, well, that happens, but the fact was that Boumsong was turned to the point that he was never close enough to even think about putting in a block.  On numerous occasions Taylor was having to cover Boumsong's area as well.

Some people have said Boumsong will be better when Bramble returns.  On today's performance, I wouldn't even remotely think of dropping Taylor for that partnership to be reunited.  Taylor's working for his CD opportunity, and if he continues in this form, he'll have deserved it.

i dont think boumsong is a bad player, but i do have my concerns about him mainly his heading and positioning. i remember raising this concerns right after the yeading game last season and was shot down like a bird. how wrong were those people then, its all apparent now issnt it.

and without naming anyone some of those who shot me down are slagging him off right now, saying he's shite and all that. you lot are fickle and too quick to jump on the bandwagon. boumsong wasnt world class or our saviour last season. neither is he a liability this season. he's at worse average and at best decent. needs to improve on his positioning and heading soon though. he'd become a liability if teams start picking up on that.

Personally, I think his positioning is the main point of concern, more specifically, the ease with which he can be pulled out of position.  I've always thought that since he joined you and I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. 

In his defence, he is a French international player, so he must be doing something right, but maybe his faults are compensated for by Makelele.

struck me from day 1 too. Headless chicken.

It was an instant decision though .....

He hasnt done anything since he has been here so why should Christmas time change anything?

He is playing very poorly but I don't think the defence was helped out by a very soft center in midfield who missed a number of tackes and did not close down or protect the back four very well yesterday.  This was partly to do with the fact that Parker clearly was playing with an injury.

He's a decent player, but not a brillaint one, and nowhere near worth £8m.

He's on a bad run, and needs to sort out his play when the ball is in the air - he's a lot more assured when play is on the ground.

You have to remember Boum is a 24/25 year old not incredibly experienced defender trying to marshall a defence, 2 of which are under 20, barely a seasons worth of experience between them. some of the previous posts were correct in that he is being dragged out of position a lot but this is because he is trying to do it all himself. Once we have a settled defence and the coaches make sure everyones knows there role Boum will be the rock we know he can be, these threads that get started after every game now about boum being shite is sad as **** btw and should be stopped.

Carr is  not inexperienced, Taylor is better than Boumsong, and he has played with Elliot or Babayaro before the weekend. Neither of whom are novices (althugh they are obviously not very good).

Oh, and our coaches will NEVER get the defence right, as they are not particularly good at their jobs.

The fact that Boumsong is 24/25 and Taylor is 19/20 is not a reason for Boumsong to get out of position.  Parker is a very capable holding MF, being touted for England, if, as you say, Boumsong is trying to do it all himself, he should have faith in his teammates' ability.  I'm not convinced tbh with that theory, I think he simply gets attracted to the ball.  He has got to be a lot more disciplined if he isn't going to cause defeats instead of victories because , as I said elsewhere, a team with intelligent strikers, such as Chelsea, will pull him about so often Boumsong will rarely find himself in the position he ought to be.

One final thought.  The similarity between your defensive spine and Tottenham's is uncanny.

Given                    -                  Robinson
Boumsong            -                  King
Taylor                    -                  Dawson
Parker                    -                  Carrick

Excellent goalkeepers, one CD around 25, the other around 20, two young talented holding MF's with excellent ability.  Interchange any of those players and I'd have confidence that any 4 without Boumsong is capable of keeping a clean sheet against anybody.

what a lame post. i'm not going to even bother analysing it.

good point and one which may be partially explained by parker going into the game with a dead leg and emre picking up a knock in the 1st minute. though in the case of the Elliott goal Boumsong had a couple of seconds to close Elliott down but stood off him, then got completely wrong-footed when Elliott dropped a shoulder.

i've noticed that Boumsong generally doesn't make tackles, he favours more a policy of containment than one of winning possession outright which comes with the risk of not winning the tackle. when he follows a striker who goes deep or out-wide, like Henry, he will follow him and not let Henry have space to run into or be fooled into going for a tackle, if Henry decides to run with the ball, Boumsong will track him. so the likes of Henry or perhaps Camara for Wigan who depend on reading and exploiting the defender's attempt to win possession and then using pace to get away from them can be effectively neutralised by Boumsong.

following strikers seem to be the only way boumsong can deal with them, and on the downside it leaves gaps in defence and wide-men who cut inside like rooney, and attacking midfielders like scholes can exploit these. if boumsong holds his position and doesn't follow a deep lying striker, it gives the striker space and time to do what they want.

He's been awful this season, don't see how even his biggest fans can argue that.

No doubt he's a good player but he needs to show it this season, not just last.

If a striker drops deep, it should be the holding MF's job to pick him up.  Similarly. if the striker goes wide, what's the full back doing?  Sure, Boumsong can move to give support but it shouldn't his responsibility to pick up the striker in those positions.  If Parker was playing with a dead leg, didn't Souness have any other options to play in the holding MF role?  A half fit Parker really shouldn't really have been the preferred option and it was only by the Grace of God (and the thickness of the crossbar) that you didn't come out of the match with one point and not three.

Got to agree, he's very obviously a bloody good defender who's going through a rough patch for some reason! Get off his back! o'brien's better, now your being pathetic! Wasn't great yesterday, but hardly had a howler of a game either! The two goals they scored were hardly his fault! Just two great goals from distance. GET OFF HIS BACK!!! He doesn't need some of you blind fickle divs slagging him off!

Just because direct goals didn't come from his cock ups doesn't mean he wasn't shit.  He looked canny last season, but he's been poor this season, always the wrong side of strikers, pulled out of position easy, shrugged off the ball like he was 6 stone.

I agree i thought he was very poor, Reminded me of Bramble from 2003. He needs a spell on the bench, He was good last season but personally all i care about is now and right now he is poor, There is a good Defender in there somewhere and its upto Souness and Boumsong himself to get that out or im afraid he has to go. Todays game we dont have room for a liability.

Seeing as he plays for France I would say he must be a good player but I think he'll always struggle in the Premier League on the basis that he's not very good in the air. Yesterday however, all the aspects of his game were shockingly bad.

how fast is boumsong?  seems like he's got very good pace to me, and it's a temptation, imo, for fast players in defense to rely on their pace to get them out of sticky situations.  perhaps, boum is getting "dragged out of position" b/c he thinks he can recover quickly enough...  so he's still adjusting to the pace of the EPL.    :dontknow:

anyway, MJ, i liked the point you made...

depends really, if you're up against arsenal, you should man-mark henry if you have a boumsong or gallas type, while a team like birmingham with slower centre-hals should play two defensive midfielders and congest midfield. so nothing wrong with that, it's more the fact he follows his man even when he is being led down the garden path or when he is up against relative shite or players who dont have pace or trickey, the types you can give a bit of space to in the knowledge they're going nowhere if left to fend deep.

he followed elliott about a bit and seemed to be more effective when he did, when he chose not to sunderland had quite a lot of joy cos boumsong doesnt like getting run at and is often caught in two minds when the opposition have a spare man. it was hard on parker cos emre didn't do much defensive work while boumsong never commited himself to closing down or making challenges.

First of all, this is my first post in the forum. Hi.

Boumsong.

I would say he is low on confidence. We saw what a masterstroke he was last season when we brought him in. And he definitely did look £8m. I feel that Boom needs to have everyone else around him playing well to enable him to play well. He and Taylor have made a great partnership at some points, but with the inconsistency of the wing-backs, and the defensive midfielders, the two of them (most notably Boom) have become vulnerable. Mainly to balls into the box from the wings...

A few things, I don't think he did look £8million last season but that's debatable. If you mean the full backs (rather than wing-backs), I would agree, they haven't been playing the best at times although I'm not sure that he could have that excuse on Sunday. Also, Parker has been generally excellent in the role of defensive midfielder this season. I'm also curious, though Taylor has had some good games this season, including at the weekend, as to when have he and Boumsong have looked like a great partnership.

I think our defensive problems are far over hyped. Boumsong is off form but our defence is n't playing that bad. Two great goals on sunday makes us look bad but we hav kept a few clean sheets so far. When the attack is reformed hopefully our defence will look better!

Hi Alex, nice to meet you.

I thought that Boumsong and Taylor looked solid against Arsenal. We have seen one or two glimpses of brilliance from that parnership throughout the season. But not for sustained periods of time. Although, it is probably arguable that the majority of the brilliance comes from Taylor.  bluelaugh.gif

Taylor has been exceptional this season.

Fair enough, they did play well against Arsenal mate.

It's the same old story with us, I can't remember the last decent centre half we had!

Don't get me wrong, Taylor is solid at the back and I've no doubt that he will get an England call up in years to come, but he can be very frustrating when giving away needless fouls and getting booked/sent off too often.

Boumsong, is overated and to think we paid £8m for him is unbelievable. Whenever he is pressured by a striker he panics and usually ends up giving it away. Again, another solid defender (only by size!), but these guys need to be able to play football and I just don't think they have what it takes to cope with the premierships strikers!

Bramble. I'm not even going to waste my time talking about him. When he gets the ball I watch and pray he gives it to the opposition because they would cause us less problems than he does with the ball!

All in all, I cringe when we play Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea - to think there strikers play against Boumsong or Bramble is a frightening thought. I'm sure alot of you will disagree, but isn't it about time we invested in a couple of world class defenders?

Although i might have argued this a couple of months ago, but we should have bought Sol Campbell or Sami Hypiia when we had the chance.

Our squad is NOT complete. We need a consistent left-back, a top-class centre-back and another striker. The midfield and goalkeeper are our only complete areas.

i dont care if i get banned for this, you are a fool and a wanker on top of that, titus Bramble is one of the best 'footballers' i have ever seen in a CB position, his passing, first touch everything is top notch

you obviously dont know football, you've probably watched Titus once, looked at his size and though, well, cant be much of a player

go away

Titus Bramble plays well when everyone else is playing well.

He cannot command the backline.

The bit about Parker playing, imo if Parker was 1 percent fit with one leg i would pick him over our back up version Faye, did you not see how shite he was when he came on.

I have to agree with you there Bowyer4eva, crantonscrackers comment about Bramble is a year out of date.

Hmm, not so sure there is any need for the abuse?  Perhaps I have touched a nerve somewhere, and for that I apologise.

Perhaps my comments about Bramble are a bit outdated, but how can you honestly say that you have 100% confidence in his ability as a defender? Ok, maybe he would only make 1 or 2 mistakes per game, but 99% of the time they result in us conceding goals, and also to us being made a laughing stock on Match of the Day!

And don't you ****ing sit there telling me I know nothing about footie, I've probably played more football/seen more football than you've had hot ****ing dinners! And for your info, I spent two weeks on trial at the toon 10 years ago when Keegan was there, so I would like to think that not only do I know quite a bit about football, but I can play a bit too!

Silly boy.

totally agree with crantonscracker,,, Bramble is a shithouse and kin crap!

He only looks good cos of boumsong,,i would gladly sell both and play taylor and me granny!

He did last season, on a few occasions.

I don`t have 100% confidence in any defender in the world. You want 100% confidence find a robot version.

I would like you to back up the fact he makes 1-2 per game and 99% causes a goal. Proof and stats to back that claim up.

Shallow person if you worry about what MOTD thinks.

I know alot of current prem footballers and many many that have had trials, some better than you see week in week out that havn`t made for one reason or another and to be honest opinion wise that counts for shit.
Its because Titus was built up to be too much too young his mistakes were scrutinised more than most. Read SBR`s book also for some insight on that situation. 

I know your reply was meant for B4E but i had to comment.

well u think hes good , i think hes shite.

No matter what bullshite u sprout, we all have our own opinions.

BTW if he was that good would he be playing for england? mmmmmmmm

Why would you sell Boumsong, if according to your reckoning, he can make a crap player look good?

Why would you sell Boumsong, if according to your reckoning, he can make a crap player look good?


whooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And how ironic that your name is Rebellious  :tongue3:

I am not here to argue with people who want the same thing as me....for us to win, well EVERYTHING!

I do not need to back up my claim, it is MY opinion and I have every right to put them across on here. You and the other fella are making it out as though Bramble is blameless when he plays, he is a poor, poor player - simple.

Shallow person because I value what ex-professionals feel are our weakness? Hmm, interesting theory. Perhaps if we paid more attention to what other people can see is wrong with our team, then maybe, just maybe we would stop thinking we can just get away with playing average 'players'

I'm sure Bramble is awesome...on the training ground, playing by himself...but it is slightly different playing in front of 52,000 people against strikers like Henry and Rooney. I wonder if we are talking about the same person  :roll:

That's great, can you explain what you meant though? Genuine question as I'm confused.

Can I take that as a no?  bluerolleyes.gif

Half-term Alex.

Sorry, I should have noticed  bluelaugh.gif

I seem to remember a few games last season where Titus had Henry and Beattie in his pocket. As for Rooney you tell me who could keep him out of the game because i don`t know of any off the top of my head.

Fair point mate...lol

bluecool.gif    Thank you. 

Giving away freekicks is all part of the learning curve, in Taylor you have one of England's finest young defenders.  The only reason he won't play for the senior squad in the next two years is because of the glut of quality CD's there are at the moment.  In any other generation he would have been a certain full international within two years.


Accept your point.  When I said didn't Souness have any other options for holding MF, I wasn't really thinking of scraping the barrel and coming up with Faye! :wink:

Boumsong is a class act going through a bad patch, last season he was world class for us. He's confidence may have been severly knocked after the man u game that he cost us, but he'll shake it off. People being ridiculous and giving him a hard time won't help him either.

Bramble was  as accident prone as David James b4 and god knows how many points he has cost us in the past. A hell of alot! Bramble has been a far far better player since Boum came in any idiot can see that he's looked very sharp and hungary and i hope and think that 'Shambles ' is now in the past as he's really looked impressive since Boum's arrival, long may it continue!

Taylor is surperb and seems to relish playing alongside boum too!

Don't know why everyone's moaning about the defence as think it's a better defence than any other i can remember at NUFC. Once our attacking midfield is up and at teams more it's going to take so much pressure off the defence too. The two goals that sunderland did score were freakishly very good goals, for once it wasn't defender error!

Start being positive people as after a nightmare start due to lack of personel things are starting to look alot brighter. Emre, dyer, bramble, baba and Owen are all there or there abouts back from injury leaving only Luque really.


Next premiership game we should be able to field:

          Given

Car Taylor Boumsong Baba/Ramage

Solano Parker Emre N'zogbia

Shearer/Ameobi Owen

Subs
Caig
Bramble/Ramage
Bowyer/Clark
Shearer
Dyer

Which is the strongest for sometime. We've just beaten the mackems 3-2 things are getting better! We've got Grimsby and West Brom next which we should both win then we get to test ourselves against Chelsea, which no one's expecting us to win anyway!

Don't go over the top or anything will you?

Over the top of the biggest cliff in the world!  Situated off a massive building....  in heaven.

Had a good season with us when him and Bramble got used to each other. I think Bramble is a more effective defender than Boumsong the problem is he needs Boumsong to play with to be effective.

How many games do you call " a patch?"

A really big patch 10 square miles bluebiggrin.gif

can't quite believe the amount of people who have spent a lot of time telling everyone how good Boumsong is, and now all of a sudden think he's crap ?

Fickle or what.

And, now, because we beat a team heading for relegation, we are going to win the league, right ?

We are who we follow. One extreme to another.

I am still optimistic about Jean Alain's future.

When you think back to last season - our 12-game unbeaten run that stretched from January to Spring, Boumsong was a key factor. He and Bramble were a formidable part of our purple patch.

These moments will return. That 'moment', that i have stated above, was a honeymoon period. Once he regains confidence, and truly realises the state of the club and it's supporters - his time will come again.

It's funny the way some elements can't bear the slightest sign of optimism.

Ozzie, i am confused, are you referring to me?

Nope.

To clarify, i am indeed very optimistic about our defensive capabilities.

Although, i don't know if we can wait as long as until January...

I know who you were referring to mate, and I too am very confused as to why some 'supporters' are always quick to assume the negative about us.

Why not get behind the team and want them to win every game instead of always thinking the worst! The team/management need the fans to get behind them, if we don't....who will?  :roll:

How about hoping/praying that they win, but not being so blind taht we do not pretend there are serious issues that a certain manager has created, and we are not in reality going to get anywhere with him?

I find it funny the way some elements can't bear to be realistic when their views are shown over a year and a half to be incorrect.

I hope/pray that Souness brings us success for two reasons a) I want more than nothing on earth for us to win a trophy and b) to wipe the smug grin off the faces of those anti-Souness 'supporters' who appear to be happy when we don't do well as they think it will bring him a step nearer to the chop.

Is Souness being sacked more important than us doing well? hmmmm  unsure.gif

No, but if you believe (as many of us do) that SOuness will not be able to bring success due to his patent failings as a manager, why should we so volubly support HIM??

You are confusing supporting the club with supporting individuals.

Depends on how you define 'doing well'.  Losing in the Carling Cup Final, losing in the FA Cup semis and 7th in the league wouldn't be doing badly, but would that be good enough for doing well?

It's called having an opinion about players/the manager. Outrageous I know  :roll:

Well to be perfectly honest, I couldn't give a **** if Laurel and bleeding Hardy turned out in a black and white top at 3pm, I would whole-heartedly back the toon!

I understand peoples opinions, and yes quite outrageous that people would dare to have them ( :tongue3:) but you can't blame Souness ALL the time....like I've said in another post, he doesn't but his boots on and play on a Saturday....the players we have are good enough to be winning more games so I think it's about time they stood up and were counted, perhaps they should take a little bit of the blame that Souness seems to be getting.

Anyway, just my 'opinion'  :tongue3:

As long as the season after we build on it and win the Carling cup final, get to the FA cup final and finish 3/4th the following year  :tongue3:
Basically i`m saying when things go tits up as they did last year as long as theres an improvment the following year now the team rebuilding is 70% done i wouldn`t go and slit my wrists as some would if we don`t get 3rd in the prem and win 2 cups, i am sitting here hoping that GS can bring a cup of some sorts, but if something out of his control stops that and its not down to him being a knob then i won`t blame him. Also i`m hoping for at least 6th realistically but nobody knows if this team ( that includes the manager) will do it until the end  of this season. I see people say if we don`t its a year wasted  but i`m 29 so i have at least 31 more seasons left to watch hopefully.

Fair enough.