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What is it with Totenham fans? They are so ful of themselves (well, this one is)

He/she what ever the cockney is, is on another forum and is basically dissing Scott Parker, calling him worse than shite.... and wait fo it...... JENAS is better than him  bluebigeek.gif

What an absolute mug, i said to him, tell me you would rather have Scott Parker for 6.5, than Jenas for 7?

His reply?

JENAS! "Much better player, etc etc"

Im strung up to death with him, its like im arguing against a brick bloody wall  blueupset.gif

Not all Spurs fans are the same, we argue about our players just as you do here.

I would have loved to have seen Parker at WHL, but I think Levy was right not to meet his wage demands.  You did and so he signed for you.  That's not saying he would have signed for us because I don't know.

JJ isn't as good as Parker is now, but he's got the potential to be better, to be as good as Gerrard.  Whether he achieves that level, only time will tell.  What does surprise me is that Parker and Jenas are always being compared with one another.  Parker's a holding midfielder, Jenas is box-to-box.  People will always have opinions as to who is better, but comparisons should be like for like.

One thing is certain, Jenas won't be replacing Carrick in the Spurs side.

Wake up JENAS IS RUBBISH!!!!!!! Better than gerrard my arse! Why do you think he will be better, Jenas does nothing when he is on a football pitch? I know it's hard to face the fact your club paid 7 million quid for a player no better than some I've seen in division 1 but you will

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Just sit back and wait and see what they're saying come the end of the season.

Its all that living under the shadow of Arsenal for years and years, its made them go crazy, a bit like the mackems. Remember Super Keving Phillips was twice the player Shearer will ever be ;)

Now they've got to put up with Chelsea as well now. 3rd best team in your city, they are the equivilent to Gateshead up here ! ;)

Gerrard? bluebiggrin.gif bluebiggrin.gif

In defence of a fellow yiddo I'd say he wasn't bitter, just stupid. Not much of a defence I know.

While I wish Spurs as a team, and certainly Martin Jol (the poster, and manager for that matter), no specific harm, a part of me really wants Jenas to fail in his career. The way he enginered his move away after the management and, by and large, the fans stood by him through 2 years of shite performances was disgraceful.

I never wish to see harm come to any footballer, but I would feel not in the least bit sorry if JJ suffered a career-ending injury, horrible as it makes me sound.

Having said that, I agree that he is similiar to a young Gerrard. The drive and presence in midfield is the same. To become a top player, there is a step you have to take to the next level. Gerrard, much like Jenas at his age, was an exciting young midfielder when he first arrived on scene. Like Jenas, he had a few years where he often struggled to get involved and effect the the game the way people expected him to.

Gerrard has matured and is now one of the best midfielders in the world, will Jenas do the same?

I tend to doubt it, mainly due to his attitude. He blames others, which was evidenced by the way he became "disillusioned" at Newcastle when he was finally dropped for his shocking form. He couldn't accept that he had been rubbish, and looked to leave for a fresh start, getting to blame management for a couple of seasons of unimpressive floundering.

Now he is at Spurs and initial reports seem to be that he is performing no better. I saw the game against Grimbsy and he was the same player that so ineffectually graced the field at St. James' for much of last season.

Perhaps this will wake him up to the fact that he is solely responsible for how he performs on the pitch. Until he realises that, he will never be the player he can become.

I agree with everything you post. I've got confidence that BMJ will either improve him or get rid - the one thing I'm unhappy about is that we'll be paying £7M to find out either way. It seems clear that he has an attitude problem.

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He is right in some aspects, jeenas has all the potential in the world (as does parker though),  and could have been a great manager, but he was handled wrongly here, given too much responsibility (future star, vice captain etc...) and he worst of all started believing in his hype. What used to be a mature starlet turned into a spoilt failure.

Bollocks to them.

Who gives a flying shite what the cockney rentboys think anyway?

I would like to know what sort of wage Jenas is on, I have seen from a lot of Spurs fans going on about how the club were to refuse Parkers demands but i would be suprised if Jenas, a £7m midfielder with all this potential isn't on a fairly decent wage!

But this again is the dilemma.

Could be better than Gerrard?
Has it in him to be the best?


You can only make statements like that (and many mags. did so) with some kind of evidence, some indication that there's something else in the tank.  I always said to my mates I must have missed something because I still can't figure out what he did to earn Young Player of the Year. 

Ah well, after his night club escapades he must be enjoying his goldfish bowl all the more.  I'm pleased he signed for spurtz.  Couldnt have happened to a nicer couple.

Davids is on about £50k a week, I'd much prefer Parker to Davids. I used to be a JJ fan, Whenever he'd come back from an injury i'd feel happy cuz we have a good player back but his recent comments have put me right off him!!!! Who the hell does he think he is? Saying Newcastle has taken him as far as they could? We stuck by JJ and to be fair i cant remember much abuse thrown his way, I dont want him to get injured or anything. £7m was a bit over priced for him, He'll never become as good as Gerrard, Gerrard plays for a lot of passion and plays for the club he watched as a little boy and dreamt of playing for,

I get the feeling JJ has an attitude that he is never to blame, He has read about his hype  and unfortunatly it has gone to his head. Spurs could of easily got a much better player for £7m if they looked outside of England.

Although he is currently playing that role (Parker) and i must say doing an excellent job I would say his natural game was box to box!

Jenas can be better than Gerrard?  I agree maybe someday he will be, thats Paul Gerrard by the way not Steven

why do some of you guys think he has the potential to be as good as gerrard.. his technique and touch is no where as good as gerrard.. he lacks the drive of gerrard and certainly doesnt have the versality of gerrard.. there arent many gerrards around certainly you wont get them for 7m

Tottenham it doesn't matter what way I look at it will never ever be a farction of what Newcastle United are, I would'nt say they're Micky Mouse, but they're his slightly larger brother.  They're a nothing club though.

Anyway that quote ^^^^ Jenas has the potential to be as good as Gerrard,  bluebiggrin.gif - arguably the most overrated player I've ever known.  NOt one toon fan can say they were sad to see him  leave.  He's shite!  He's found his level at Tottenham, but maybe that's not even fair on them, he's got nothing.

Very rare you see people agreeing with such bollocks on a message board, on this occasion a Spurs fan agreed with him.

The first time I seen Steven Gerrard was a live sky game his debut I think, he half volleyed the ball straight to someones feet 50 yards away, 18 year old.

The whole time Jenas has been here apart from a very short time when his athleticism was hidden by the crest of the wave the team was on, hes been shite, hes good enough for Tottenham but not us.  Never has been.

I have to say this sort of annoys me, I know Jenas was terrible for us last two years but to say he doesnt have to potential to become amazing is silly, we've all seen it, all be it far too sporadically, not that some people would like to admit it

I must have missed that potential Fenners.  He certainly has the potential to be as good as Ian Bogie.

Read it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said he has to potential to be better, I didn't say he is better, I didn't say he will be better.  There is a difference.  I did also say that whether he lives up to that potential remains to be seen.

If you're not going to accurately quote me, don't bother to reply at all.

Let me know how his talent transplant works out.

trying to kop out, eh? 'potential to be better'? heck you might as well said nothing. cause my 7 year old nephew probably has the potential to be better than Maradona, even if the odds are a gazillion to one on that ever happening. but hey, we're only talking potential here, right...?  what-ever...

Jenas has been crap in all his apperances so far for Spurs. something is wrong with his head. as others said, the hype went to his head. since he won the young player of the year award it seems he never felt the need to do much anymore. better than Gerrard my a$$.

Not trying to kop out at all, ShearersElbow is simply arguing the toss about something I never said in the first  place.  What I said was "JJ isn't as good as Parker is now, but he's got the potential to be better, to be as good as Gerrard".  That's a direct quote from my first post on this thread and is completely different to me saying Jenas is better than Gerrard now.

I've no idea how good he can turn out to be, he hasn't made the greatest of starts at a new club and his passing at the moment is dire.  Defensively, I'd say he's up a bit on what he was with you.  What I do know is that when he left Forest, he was the best young midfielder in the country. Four years on, he hasn't achieved a fraction of what he should have done, although he still is a regular in the England squad.

What exactly went wrong with him and Newcastle I have no idea, although I have absolutely no faith in Sourness's ability as a coach, but SBR had him before and he was no different.  If I'd been asked if we paid too much for him, then the answer is yes based on how consistently he was playing at the time we signed him.  But if MJ is able to get the best out of him, then I stand by my original comment that he will be better than Parker and could be as good as Gerrard.

When Ajax tried to hijack MJ from us, their president said that MJ was the outstanding option for the position of Head Coach.  Thankfully for Spurs he turned them down and stayed, and hopefully, thankfully for JJ as well.

The problem I think we had with Jenas is that he was picked when playing badly.  For some reason both managers would play him when he shouldn't have been in the team.  It was too easy for him, he didn't have to push himself to make the team.

I could see times when he should have been rested, we didn't rest him and he struggled.

I'm not anti-Jenas, I thought we failed to get the best out of him.  Jenas seemed to do better in Dyers position but he was played all over the middle, I'm sure he was also played at the back.  I really think players should play mainly in one position, the one that suits them best.

We seem to move players out of position more than most clubs and we've done it under both Souness and Sir Bobby, some players have suffered for it, mainly Hughes and Jenas.

Agree with the comments totally but I wouldn't just stop at those two.  When playing Taylor at full back, it was a wate of a seriously talented CD.  I'm one of his biggest fans, I would love to see him at WHL (permanently that is, not once a season!) :wink: