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October 25, 2007
Breaking: Spurs give Martin Jol marching orders
Times Online

Martin Jol has agreed severance terms with Tottenham Hotspur and is expected to take charge of his last match for the club against Getafe tonight.

Juande Ramos has agreed to become the new manager at White Hart Lane at the start of next season, although he is coming under heavy pressure to take the reigns sooner.

The match at home to Blackburn Rovers on Sunday is likely to come too early for the Seville manager, however, and Clive Allen is expected to take charge for that match.

Gus Poyet, the former Tottenham and Chelsea midfield player, has been approached to become the assistant manager.

Jol’s position has been untenable since senior Tottenham officials made an embarrassingly public approach for Ramos in August. The club have been pursuing the Spaniard since.

The Dutchman appeared buoyant as he left the tunnel for the dugout before kick-off against Getafe, giving no hint of the drama that was unfolding.

Ramos will be charged with turning around Tottenham’s fortunes - expectations of challenging for a place in the Champions League this season have been crushed by a series of poor results and performances.

More soon...

Doubt it.

Only a matter of time. He's lost the dressing room imo.

If they win tonight and the weekend, string together some half decent results, he could last until Chrimbo. 

Is Clive Allen assistant coach?  Why would he right ship untill Ramos comes next season?  Why would they (the players) listen to him if he's part of Jol's set up?  Nonsense. 

Ramos is to take over as soon as possible is what everywhere's saying, Allens just caretaker for the Blackburn game.

Why would Ramos want to take over Spurs when his team are in the CHL? Spurs are also taking a big gamble imo. Continental manager dont always do well in the premiership

Why would Ramos want to take over Spurs when his team are in the CHL? Spurs are also taking a big gamble imo. Continental manager dont always do well in the premiership

Why the f*** would Ramos walk away from the Champions League for that mob? Looks like he's going to but I f****** wouldn't.

seems that after, what, 3,4,5 great years of spurs punching above their weight they've sacked the man responsible for what, a bad start to the season.

People always go on about Newcastle being a poison chalice but how many managers have spurs went through over the past ten years or so? must be a canny few...

I feel bad for Jol, he's a decent bloke and apart from the start to this season has done a good job for them.

Martin Jol has been s*** on by his directors, I'd love to see them go down.

I feel bad for Jol, he's a decent bloke and apart from the start to this season has done a good job for them.

He was given a fair bit of cash to spend this summer tbf

He was given a fair bit of cash to spend this summer tbf

No choice but to sack him, spurs have been fuckin dreadful this season including Monday and tonight. If we had started the season like this, we'd be wanting rid of him. 7pts in 10 games.

Yeah, Jol to Ajax seems likely. Reminds me of when we sacked SBR after he did so well for us then had a bad start to a season. We went downhill all the way after that, hope the same happens to Spurs.

Chances are they'll recover though. Sadly.

It would be funny if the Ramos deal falls through and they end up with an average manager like Redknapp

Fingers crossed it'll be souness.

It would be funny if the Ramos deal falls through and they end up with an average manager like Redknapp

His position was undermined back in August though. Two games in and they were smashing the panic button with a mallet. Things may have sorted themselves out if they hadn't done that and made it clear he was on borrowed time from the start.

hope they dont get a manager like redknapp because hes quality

It would be funny if the Ramos deal falls through and they end up with an average manager like Redknapp

i remember when i said i feel Ramos would take the spurs job and was laughed at by quite a few people on here.

Nah i dont rate Redknapp at all, He'll never be a top manager.

i remember when i said i feel Ramos would take the spurs job and was laughed at by quite a few people on here.

No one's stopped laughing, there's so much more to laugh at now as well.  And Ramos isn't actually at Spurs, unless I've missed some breaking news?

all this about relegation, spurs will easily turn it around and will finish about 12th

I agree with that, except that he deserves to be sacked for his poor work in the transfer window this summer. Everyone knew that his defence needed to be sorted out, and he didn't do it. He spent too much money on the players he brought in, and - with the exception of Bale - he didn't really add anything worthwhile to the club.

I also agree with Wullie, but would point out that their transfer set up is a bit of  a mess, and it is difficult to know who actually chooses the transfer targets.

Watching SSN. Isn't Gary Stevens a total cock?

Is he the former Everton fella? If that's him, then yes.

They're quite capable of a top 10 finish, tbh. 

Is he the former Everton fella? If that's him, then yes.

Looks like the Yids are looking away from football for thier entertainment these days...

https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/forums/229256/ShowThread.aspx#229256

:lol:

That was disgusting. 

I also agree with Wullie, but would point out that their transfer set up is a bit of  a mess, and it is difficult to know who actually chooses the transfer targets.

Watching SSN. Isn't Gary Stevens a total cock?

Looks like the Yids are looking away from football for thier entertainment these days...

https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/forums/229256/ShowThread.aspx#229256

:lol:

I'll be gutted if they get Juande Ramos tbh, I think given time and money he could build them into a real force.

Look at the job he's done at Sevilla, they were challenging for the Spanish title right until the end of last season and have won back to back UEFA Cups, all while playing very attractive football.

His position was undermined back in August though. Two games in and they were smashing the panic button with a mallet. Things may have sorted themselves out if they hadn't done that and made it clear he was on borrowed time from the start.

Spot on.

Thank God he's gone anyway.

I'll be gutted if they get Juande Ramos tbh, I think given time and money he could build them into a real force.

Look at the job he's done at Sevilla, they were challenging for the Spanish title right until the end of last season and have won back to back UEFA Cups and did a Cup double last season with the Spanish Cup, all while playing very attractive football.

The way the press and fans are going on on Skysports News, you'd think he had taken Spurs from consistent title challengers to where they are now, rather than got them to 5th for a couple of seasons.

Complaining they don't beat the top 4 enough, FFS

don't think he's any better than jol, and it'll mean another few years of restructuring. jol was building spurs to be a future force. all thats down the pan now.

3 trophies in the last 2 seasons while rubbing shoulders with Barcelona and Real Madrid all season is a big achievement for a club like Sevilla, they could have won the title last season. He's been a lot more successful than Martin Jol and has done so on a much smaller transfer budget, while having to deal with losing stars such as Baptista, Reyes, Sergio Ramos, because Sevilla are a selling club. A lot of clubs struggle when they sell their most influential players, but he has rebuilt them. He hasn't gone about it the Big Sam way either with functional, long ball tactics - Sevilla play flowing, attractive yet successful football and that suggests to me that Ramos could build a very good team if he had the money.

LATEST NEWS
CLUB STATEMENT

We can confirm that the Board has this evening asked Martin Jol, Club Manager and Chris Hughton, First Team Coach to stand down from their positions with immediate effect.

We have not taken these decisions lightly or without recognition of the contribution both Martin and Chris have made to the Club.

Chairman Daniel Levy said: “For me, Martin and Chris’ departure is regrettable. Our greatest wish was to see results turn in our favour and for there to be no need for change. We feel honoured that Martin has been manager at our Club, having seen us qualify twice for Europe. Chris has been with us since 1977, bar a three year period, both as player and coach and he has been an excellent ambassador for the Club. They have been professional, popular and respected members of the coaching staff and there will always be a warm welcome for them both at the Lane.”

Martin Jol added: “I can understand the position of the Club in light of the results. I have thoroughly enjoyed my time here. Tottenham Hotspur is a special Club and I want to thank the terrific staff and players. For me the fans were always amazing with their support so I would also like to say thank you – I shall never forget them.”

We shall report in due course on new appointments to the coaching staff. In the interim, the First Team will be coached by our current Development Coach, Clive Allen and Alex Inglethorpe, our Youth Team manager.

I don't believe for a second he resigned, they wanted him out and came to an agreement.  The Spurs board are no better than Freddie ever was.  Both, in regards of respecting managers, are w***. 

See above. :laugh:

Spurs confirm they sacked him.

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/clubstatement251007.html

Finally, i feel sorry for Jol. Watching him tonight in the game on Irish TV with no sound and no idea he was on his way out, i could feel my sympathetic side coming to the fore anyway.

I dont think he is that bad a manager, just wasnt able to turn round the squad of players he bought. I blame them more than Jol. They played some decent stuff tonight (again) but they just lacked a little bit of luck. They could have quite easily won it by a few goals.

don't think he's any better than jol

LOL

Aye for all his Uefa cups, Spanish cups and title challenges he's never finished 5th in the Premiership after spending more money.

I don't know about sorting out Spurs' defence mind, Sevilla seem more attacking than Spurs with the fullbacks playing as wingers most of the time.

I'm pretty sure you're underestimating the achievement of getting spurs to where they are. spurs were a mid table team at best when he took over but he transformed them into easily the 5th best team in the premiership (before the start of this season). not exactly a mean feat considering the premier league has much more stregnth in depth than la liga. La liga have 2 great teams, and one good team valencia. villereal and osasuna have finished 4th or better in recent years. would they have made it into the top 6 of the PL in those seasons? i think not.
Jol has done brilliantly at spurs who before him always flattered to decieve. i'm not saying that ramos hasn't achieved much, because he has, but with a bit of luck jol could have finished 4th last year.

i'm pretty sure you're underestimating the achievement of getting spurs to where they are. spurs were a mid table team at best when he took over but he transformed them into easily the 5th best team in the premiership (before the start of this season). not exactly a mean feat considering the premier league has much more stregnth in depth than la liga. La liga have 2 great teams, and one good team valencia. villereal and osasuna have finished 4th or better in recent years. would they have made it into the top 6 of the PL in those seasons? i think not.
Jol has done brilliantly at spurs who before him always flattered to decieve. i'm not saying that ramos hasn't achieved much, because he has, but with a bit of luck jol could have finished 4th last year.

It's funny how Spurs rise coincides with them spending more than they have ever done in the past, only Chelsea have spent more than Spurs in recent years Valencia, Madrid, Barca and Athletico have all spent more than Sevilla. Spurs werent 'easily' the 5th best team either they scraped in to 5th last year with the second worst defensive record in the league, which is now catching up with them and the year before they had the shortest season ever and only played 40 games.

You're kidding yourself if you think the premiership as more depth aswell, that Villareal team were a penalty away from the champions league final but they would struggle to finish 6th in the prem? okay then. And didnt Sevilla knock Spurs out of the uefa cup last year?

his CV isn't owt special on the face of it. Is he just the flavour of the month cos he's stumbled into a good setup in Seville.

This is true. Agrees.

Villerral would have probably finished 6th in the 2005 PL season, considering the team that finished 5th won the CL that year.

Why the f*** would Ramos walk away from the Champions League for that mob? Looks like he's going to but I f****** wouldn't.

money money money, everything else is funny........

Juande Ramos was one of the people linke to the City job over the summer...I was quite warm on the idea. The biggest concern I had (That I remember) was, great job at Sevilla aside...

Teams managed
1993-1994 CD Alcoyano
1994-1995 Levante UD
1995-1996 CD Logroñés
1996-1997 FC Barcelona B
1997-1998 UE Lleida
1998-2001 Rayo Vallecano
2001-2002 Real Betis
2002 RCD Espanyol
2003-2004 Málaga CF
2005-Present Sevilla FC

From what I see, Ramos has never managed outside Spain, let alone in the Premiership. Is he the right person to take over a relegation scrap three months into the season?

I think Jol is a good manager who has been undermined by his board ever since the summer. The players must have suspected his days were numbered ever since the opening day defeat to Sunderland, that's bound to have affected his control over the dressing room.

Finishing 5th with Spurs two seasons in a row is a good achievement, but that's been done with a lot of money and there have been no trophies at the end of it. I don't think it compares to what Ramos has done at Sevilla, where he has made history.

I think you're being a bit harsh on La Liga, in recent years teams like Villarreal have indeed broken into the top 4 over there, but don't forget that they went on to knock out Everton (who finished 4th in our league) and it took a last-minute penalty save from Lehmann for Arsenal to get the better of them. Last season Sevilla dumped Spurs out of the UEFA Cup before going on to win it. To think that a Spurs reject like Kanoute would be the thorn in their side shows just what Ramos has accomplished there. I think the Premier League only just shades the Spanish league in terms of depth.  La Liga doesn't have the same kind of money floating around as the Premier League, but the advantage clubs have in Spain is that they can tap up the latest talent from South America, hence players like Dani Alves and Riquelme building up their reputations at smaller clubs. This gives the smaller clubs an advantage which smaller Premiership clubs don't have, Sevilla for example signed Dani Alves and Baptista for pittance, yet clubs like Newcastle and Spurs fork out huge amounts for some pretty average players. Just because there is much more money in the Premier League, it does not mean there is much more quality.

Martin Jol was tactically inept and Spurs managed to finish 5th because of the quality of their squad over anything he did, even Roeder tactically outwitted him ffs.

Ramos has the potential to be a much better manager for them, he mixes good football with a solid base to the team, whether he can adapt to English football could be a risk but it's one worth taking, the other option is playing it safe and going for an average manager already based here, he'll have no problem with Spurs Director of Football set up either as that's how Sevilla have been ran in the past with a bloke called Ramon Rodriguez pulling the strings.

As you usually are, spot on. :thup:

As I've said before, if MJ had been as good tactically as he was mediawise with the press, he would have been as good as Mourinho.  But he never had the killer touch to press hiome an advantage.  2-0 up against the Scum kids in the Carling Cup semi finaland decided to go defensive, 3-1 up away against Chelsea in the FA Cup then replaced Berbatov with Mido because 'I'd promised Mido half an hour' is not the way forward.  I still have doubts about Ramos, big doubts tbh especially after having watched Santini try to settle in, but there is no doubt Ramos is far more tactically astute than MJ ever will be. The Uefa Cup ties against Sevilla last season proved that totally.

Although Ramos has now fallen out with Monchi (the DoF) over how the style of play should evolve for Sevilla, as you say Ramos is well used to working with a Sporting Director and apparently know each other pretty well and got on well when that infamous meeting took place.  Ramos was Comolli's #1 choice and it seems he could be in place for the Carling Cup against Blackpool next week with Clive Allen and Alex Inglethorpe looking after training and the Blackburn game.

Poyet is Ramos's choice for his assistant, not Spurs, I have no idea how they know each other or just how good a coach Poyet is, though I do know he was coaching the u12's and doing his badges when he was at Spurs.  The encouraging thing I suppose is Ramos is very keen on fitness coaches, dieticians etc a la Wenger/Allardyce which MJ was never a great believer in.  MJ was never going to stay beyond this season though, even if the top table hadn't been caught with their trousers down in Spain.  Almost certain he will be taking over as Dutch national manager next summer when Van Basten moves on.

I love the ITK snippets in there. How come you didn't know he was getting the sack though?

For every Fergie, Wenger etc there's 10 Cristian Gross'.

Well I did say yesterday afternoon "Well known ITK has said in the last 15 minutes or so that Ramos will be sooner rather than later, possibly by the end of this weekend."

https://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=46261.725

Fair to assume that if Ramos was arriving, Jol would already have been out the door.

Well I did say yesterday afternoon "Well known ITK has said in the last 15 minutes or so that Ramos will be sooner rather than later, possibly by the end of this weekend."

https://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=46261.725

Fair to assume that if Ramos was arriving, Jol would already have been out the door.

This bit you mean?
"I doubt that he'll be gone this weekend, with or without a defeat." :razz:

Why is it everyone question manager who hasnt managed in the premiership? Benitez or Morinho hadnt managed in the premiership before they came here, so why shouldnt Ramos be a hit? Is the tempo to high for him, to physicall?

Love how the "ITK's" are spoke of as if they are a higher power...

I'll f****** love it if they fail to land a big name and end up with a mediocre manager!!

It might be me, but just because they've done what we did with Robson.  After a few high-placed finishes and a poor start to the season, he got the sack.  They've done exactly the same as us.


Just you wait for them to unveil Soumess....

This'll be why Souness turned down Bolton, you know...it's in the bag. Souness for Spurs. Oh yes. Please. :D

So already the press are bigging up Ramos like f***. According to one journo today he's like Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho rolled into one. :lol:

For every Fergie, Wenger etc there's 10 Cristian Gross'.

I'm not sure if they really believe it is a relegation scrap... that could be the thing that saves them or the thing that sends them down.

So already the press are bigging up Ramos like f***. According to one journo today he's like Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho rolled into one. :lol:

KD, if you didn't get Ramos, who would you want out of interest?

I hear what you're saying. Personally, I don't think they're in a false position and there's a lot of work to be done. If Ledley King doesn't come back, they'll need to bring in a top class defender in January, and that might not be easy. I think you're right though - they think they're a great team in disguise and that could be fatal.

People are quoting other managers who have been new to the Premiership, but Spurs are in a much more tricky situation. Mourinho took over a club who'd finished second in the league and he was given £100 million to spend. Benitez took over a top four club and hasn't really pushed them much further forward. Wenger did extremely well, but he inherited a superb defence that was the bedrock of his later success.

All three were able to take over a club in the close season, with time to prepare and make their mark. Ramos will really have to hit the ground running. Spurs really need a fire-fighter, not a visionary.

Let me guess... The Sun?

Bingo! :laugh:

Well I read in The Mirror that he's being accused of killing Diana, and that he's currently holding Madeline in his garage with a little green alien man and Elvis.

https://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

COULD THE E.U. INFECT THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH AIDS?

:lol:

How come Roeder hasn't been linked with any of these prem jobs, has he got another job somewhere?

I hear what you're saying. Personally, I don't think they're in a false position and there's a lot of work to be done. If Ledley King doesn't come back, they'll need to bring in a top class defender in January, and that might not be easy. I think you're right though - they think they're a great team in disguise and that could be fatal.

People are quoting other managers who have been new to the Premiership, but Spurs are in a much more tricky situation. Mourinho took over a club who'd finished second in the league and he was given £100 million to spend. Benitez took over a top four club and hasn't really pushed them much further forward. Wenger did extremely well, but he inherited a superb defence that was the bedrock of his later success.

All three were able to take over a club in the close season, with time to prepare and make their mark. Ramos will really have to hit the ground running. Spurs really need a fire-fighter, not a visionary.

Ramos has already lost 3-0 to Arsenal this season.

He is perfect for Spurs. He already has Harry Kewell lined up too.

thing is though Ramos WILL need money and because spurs have already spent big he'll not have anything like as much as he will need in jan. spurs will also still have inflated expectations due to the sums spent in the summer and players will most likely cost more in jan than normal.
Imo to give spurs a first team capable of finishing 6th he'll need to invest in one left sided player, a centre back , two central mids and maybe a goalkeeper.
If Robinson's form continues they will need a new goalkeeper without a doubt and having your best centre back partnership as dawson and kabul is a bit like taylor and bramble. one decent cb who looks lost without a very good defender beside him (King, who may never return) and one inexperienced cb. there is no natural leader there and its bound to struggle. Rocha maybe but i don't know how good he is, i get the impression he was meant as a stop gap.
their central midfield is also as weak as piss and there is no great attacking talent there either (Malbranque is good, but not great).

Spurs are nowhere near as bad as you're making out, nothing that a decent manager with good tactics couldn't sort out.

Spurs need a new keeper, a rock solid defensive midfielder and a new CB if King is still knackered, apart from that it's all down to getting the midfield playing as a more solid unit because there's plenty of goals in the side.

KD yous definitely need a centre midfielder who's capable of grabbing the game and the team for that matter by the scruff of the neck.

Would make a hell of a lot of difference IMO.  blueyes.gif

Ramos flying to Luton airport tonight (sky sports news).

Luton Town Football Club are an PAKISTANI football team followed by a bunch of clueless mugs based in the town of Luton in Bedfordshire.

I can't believe Ramos is actually lining up to join them.

£25k a week contract as well, i'd have thought he'd demand double that.

I'd rather stay where he is in Spain, crazy man.

Good capture if they pull it off.

(but this is all media talk who all have a hard on for anything Spurs)

PS: someone needs to fix their Wiki page:

Ramos flying to Luton airport tonight (sky sports news).

Five Live said earlier that it's costing Spurs £5.2m to off Jol btw. Not cheap.

Unless I was gannin' bonkers, I'm sure they said on't radio his salary is reputed to be more like £120k a week.

Ramos flying in now according to SSN

Sounds like Antonio Alvarez might be on the plane as well.  Or it may be Marcos Alvarez? I suppose Alvarez in Spain is as common as Smith in England.

This has all the signs of one almighty f***-up. I reckon they wanted him at the start of the season, but he fancied a crack at the Champions League with Sevilla. They've had to persuade him to quit by offering him a vast salary, but he's now flying into a very different job to the one that he would have faced earlier. One that I don't think he's suited to.

who is he??

Antonio Álvarez Giráldez is Ramos's #2, Marcos Álvarez is the Sevilla fitness coach.  All that's being said is Alvarez will be flying over with Ramos but I'm not sure which one.  Poyet is definitely the preferred option for the #2 so I guess it's the fitness coach.  Hope so tbh, we did have a top notch one in Keneally but Arnesen felched him and took him to Chelsea.

I was told Comolli went to Spain on Levy's jet but there seems to be some doubt now whether they'll be coming back tonight or tomorrow.

Hope they get Ramos.

TOTTENHAM have just found themselves Juan hell of a manager.

For Juande Ramos is the man Spurs have been crying out for years.

Think of Arsene Wenger, throw in a bit of Alex Ferguson and mix it up with Jose Mourinho — and you get Ramos.

For the players he is a mentor, a teacher, a man who loves spectacular, attacking football like Wenger.

Go out of form, take your eye of the ball and you are dropped even if you are Beckham or Van Nistelrooy. Work your socks off and you are in the team for good — just like Sir Alex.

If you need your manager to be a leader, a friend, a confidante — just like Mourinho — then Ramos is your man.

Jermain Defoe, things are looking up for you today. You WILL play because Ramos does not care about names, reputations or transfer fees.

And the fans can rejoice because Ramos WILL deliver.

He has never failed, taking teams from oblivion and putting them on the map — and you would struggle to find a player who has a bad word about him.

Ramos led Seville into the Champions League for the first time and won back-to-back UEFA Cups, a Spanish Cup and the European Super Cup.

He guided lowly Malaga to 10th place — their highest La Liga finish. When he left they got relegated. When he was in charge of Rayo Vallecano he got them to the UEFA Cup. Even though they got a fair-play spot they had still finished ninth.

Next stop was newly-promoted Real Betis and he led them to a UEFA Cup spot in his first season, narrowly missing out on a Champions League place.

His only mishap was at Espanyol when he was sacked eight games into the season after a fall-out with the directors over signings.

A close friend of Ramos said last night: The word that best defines Juande is justice. He is a just man, a fair man.

Ramos goes out of his way to be a friend to his players. He wins their trust by being fair.

The new Spurs boss will always play the most in-form players. He will drop Dimitar Berbatov if he has to and will not think twice about it.

Last year, Seville paid 5million for striker Ernesto Chevanton, a massive fee for them. But he hardly got a game.

He did not convince Ramos. Like Andriy Shevchenko failed to convince Mourinho — despite a 30m transfer fee.

By contrast, Fredi Kanoute and Louis Fabiano were irreplaceable.

In fact, even youngster Kepa Blanco — who spent the second half of last season on loan to West Ham — played ahead of Chevanton.

Ramos always prefers a rigid 4-4-2 system with two strikers. He only ever changes it to 4-4-1-1, with a second striker behind the targetman, when Seville play away from home against big clubs like Real Madrid or Barcelona.

He adapts his game to the squad he inherits and, like Wenger, those who have played under his guidance have increased their value.

Players like Joaquin at Betis and Daniel Alves at Seville burst on to the world scene under his guidance. Kanoute left Spurs as a flop and scored 20 Liga goals last season.

Yet Ramos is different to the legendary three Premier League managers in one way — he is always calm, does not remonstrate with referees, does not moan.

He is serene as another close pal of his described. Whether that will change in these shores remains to be seen.

Unlike Mourinho, he will never court headlines and although very polite and courteous to the media — he will always give an interview — he does steer clear of controversy.

Barcelona were planning to replace Frank Rijkaard with Ramos if the Dutchman left at the end of the season. Real, too, were always following him closely.

However Ramos has been studying English for some time.

Last year, he won the prestigious �Miguel Munoz� trophy for the best manager in Spain.

In his homeland he is rated among the best two Spanish managers along with Liverpool’s Rafa Benitez.

But unlike the under-fire Liverpool boss Ramos loves to play attacking football.

A rejuvenated Spurs is a good thing. They are too far behind and unlikely to find any real consistency this season, and anyone they do catch up will be a consequence of that team's shitness. Thus they are of little threat to us if we are going to do well this season.

Why?

I wanted Roeder/Souness.

A rejuvenated Spurs is a good thing.

Perhaps I should clarify that my definition of rejuvenated in this case is out of the relegation zone, but never in danger of breaking into the top ten, but getting the odd inconsistent result against our UEFA cup rivals, and then losing to Wigan  the following week.

No, it'd be best if they went into liquidation.

What did he do at Betis? Or Espanyol? Or Malaga?

What did he do at Betis? Or Espanyol? Or Malaga?

Talk about building yourself up for a fall.

Wonder will Martin Jol (the poster on here) keep the same username?

Someone change it to Juande Ramos. :lol:

https://www.glory-glory.co.uk/forums/thread/230728.aspx

"Robinson is looking more and more like a loser every match , Harsh i know but you asked the question . Id like Buffon and stranger things have happened !!!!"

God, I f****** love them.

I don't know much about Ramos, my guess is that he's being talked up a bit.  Sevilla weren't that far off winning things before he became manager, it's not as if he's turned them around.

TOTTENHAM have just found themselves Juan hell of a manager.

For Juande Ramos is the man Spurs have been crying out for years.

Think of Arsene Wenger, throw in a bit of Alex Ferguson and mix it up with Jose Mourinho — and you get Ramos.

Goals don't win games. Juande Ramos wins games!

Juande Ramos does not sleep. He waits!!

The chief export of Juande Ramos is victory!!!

When Juande Ramos does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down!!!!

Juande Ramos drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls!!!!!

How the f*** did Spurs manage to get Ramos and when Souness was sacked all we could get was Roeder?

Ramos will fail at Spurs. (c) Parky.

Fat fred being sat there?

Listen to this - https://www.myspace.com/ilovemartinjolsong

It just sums up Spurs fans :lol:

Listen to this - https://www.myspace.com/ilovemartinjolsong

It just sums up Spurs fans :lol: