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Title: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: nufc_geordie on May 10, 2007, 07:59:10 AM From BBC:
Quote Shepherd tells Owen to stay loyal Newcastle striker Michael Owen (left) and chairman Freddy Shepherd Owen (left) has missed most of the season after a knee injury Angry Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd has told Michael Owen to show some loyalty and warned him none of the 'big four' clubs want to buy him. Shepherd is furious after reports suggested Owen, who has played only 13 games since joining Newcastle for £17m in 2005, could leave in the summer. "Michael has two choices: he can come out and tells our fans that he is happy here," Shepherd told the Daily Express. "Or I tell him none of the big four are interested. Because that's the case." A report in the Times newspaper suggested Owen could be available for less than £10m and could be a target for the likes of Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal. He has to prove to everyone, himself and Newcastle United included, that he is fully recovered Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd But Shepherd went on: "These suggestions will not impress our fans after what has happened in the last couple of years. "This report was a very thinly-disguised attempt to flog Owen from under our feet, sourced very close to the player or those who look after him. The information must have come from there, not from our club." Owen arrived at St James' Park in 2005 but played only 11 games in his first season before breaking a bone in his foot. He recovered in time to play at the World Cup where he suffered a serious knee injury which ruled him out of most of this season. Shepherd said: "The loyalty this club has shown him over the last two years, when he had injury problems in his first season and had missed virtually all of this season, deserves something in return. "He has had a really serious injury and no-one, least of all one of the biggest clubs, is likely to take a risk at this stage. "He has to prove to everyone, himself and Newcastle United included, that he is fully recovered and not about to break down again." That doesn't bode too well from where I'm sitting. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: stozo on May 10, 2007, 08:07:02 AM Well said Freddy.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 08:07:51 AM Why would he want to leave us?? We're a massive club, he owes us, and he feels incredibly loyal towards us.
Is what the people with a clouded judgement of the situaiton might say. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 08:09:00 AM Well said Freddy. No. He's an idiot. The Chairman of a PLC taunting his company's most valuable asset in the press. Moronic. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NUFC06 on May 10, 2007, 08:09:42 AM Good point Fred :thup:
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 10, 2007, 08:10:32 AM Yet again Freddy goes public and makes himself look like a tit. He's shitting his kegs because he knows Owen wants out.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 08:12:19 AM This thread could provide a good way of finding out how many simpletons we've got on here. Anyone that comes out and goes "Yeah Freddy, well said!" about a chairman alienating the club's biggest asset by challenging him through the press, joins the list of dipshits.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on May 10, 2007, 08:13:36 AM Top 5 chairman in the league with a top 1 article
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: bobyule on May 10, 2007, 08:15:14 AM Hard to see the point in what Shepherd is saying. It's like he's trying to back the player into a corner, which won't help.
Shepherd had very high hopes of Owen, and he banked a lot on him being a success. Perhaps the thought of losing him hurts on a very personal level, because he's speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. Brain not in gear, not for the first time. It may also be the rantings of a desperate man. His stock has already fallen with having to sack Roeder and tacitly admit to another bad appointment. If Owen leaves cheaply on an escape clause, then Freddie's position becomes even worse, in the eyes of the fans as well as the Halls. And surely there can't be much doubt about this escape clause now. He's appealing to Owen's loyalty, whereas all he ought to need to say is that the player's not for sale. He's admitted that it's in the player's hands. Not your cleverest day's work, Freddie. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 08:15:35 AM Well said Freddy. No. He's an idiot. The Chairman of a PLC taunting his company's most valuable asset in the press. Moronic. Exactly what I thought. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 08:16:38 AM Hard to see the point in what Shepherd is saying. It's like he's trying to back the player into a corner, which won't help. Shepherd had very high hopes of Owen, and he banked a lot on him being a success. Perhaps the thought of losing him hurts on a very personal level, because he's speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. Brain not in gear, not for the first time. It may also be the rantings of a desperate man. His stock has already fallen with having to sack Roeder and tacitly admit to another bad appointment. If Owen leaves cheaply on an escape clause, then Freddie's position becomes even worse, in the eyes of the fans as well as the Halls. And surely there can't be much doubt about this escape clause now. He's appealing to Owen's loyalty, whereas all he ought to need to say is that the player's not for sale. He's admitted that it's in the player's hands. Not your cleverest day's work, Freddie. Aye, and no denial of any clause this time. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: graemeh72 on May 10, 2007, 08:26:58 AM Hard to see the point in what Shepherd is saying. It's like he's trying to back the player into a corner, which won't help. Shepherd had very high hopes of Owen, and he banked a lot on him being a success. Perhaps the thought of losing him hurts on a very personal level, because he's speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. Brain not in gear, not for the first time. It may also be the rantings of a desperate man. His stock has already fallen with having to sack Roeder and tacitly admit to another bad appointment. If Owen leaves cheaply on an escape clause, then Freddie's position becomes even worse, in the eyes of the fans as well as the Halls. And surely there can't be much doubt about this escape clause now. He's appealing to Owen's loyalty, whereas all he ought to need to say is that the player's not for sale. He's admitted that it's in the player's hands. Not your cleverest day's work, Freddie. Aye, and no denial of any clause this time. Freddie Freddie Freddie ..... you are a tit! just shut up pal. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 08:28:28 AM Another thing: we are in the process of trying to appoint a new manager, and Shepherd chooses this moment to initiate a public feud with his best player. The sort of player that any prospective manager would look at and think "I could do great things with this lad in my team" and our beloved Chairman has just attached a neon sign to him that says "WANTS TO LEAVE". f****** astounding.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 08:29:47 AM Agree 100% in what he said but he should be saying it to Owen in his officce not to Owen through the press..
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: teepee on May 10, 2007, 08:40:56 AM Agree 100% in what he said but he should be saying it to Owen in his officce not to Owen through the press.. just what i was about to say - should be dealt with internally. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 08:44:09 AM Problem is, it looks like someone near Owen is using the press to lever him away. Unfortunately, Fat Man is not sharp enough to make a proper statement making them look stupid and leaving it at that, and he gets sucked in too easily.
His sentiment, however, is correct. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: steppa on May 10, 2007, 08:46:29 AM Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere, but did FFS not deny the existence of such an escape clause?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 08:48:43 AM Fucks sake Freddy.
This will neither alert these other clubs, or increase any desire Owen might have had to leave. No sir. :cheesy: Looks like the first step on the road to selling our best striker for even less than this 'clause' in desparation. :buck2: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 08:49:55 AM Lets not pretend that - if indeed it is coming from near the player - that he is innocent in this either. Yes, FFS made a mistake, but he isn't the only one.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GeJon on May 10, 2007, 08:55:34 AM Has his comments on Sven been discussed anywhere yet? Cringetastic to say the least!
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: 1nol on May 10, 2007, 08:55:57 AM Why won't he keep his mouth closed? We are in the s***, not even a week after we lose yet another manager (which he's been very quiet about) he chooses to start this up. As has been said, this conversation should have been had in private.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 09:00:11 AM Lets not pretend that - if indeed it is coming from near the player - that he is innocent in this either. Yes, FFS made a mistake, but he isn't the only one. I wouldn't necessarily class trying to get out of the club 'a mistake' at the moment, but that is by the by. The point is Shepherd has brought the arguement into the public domain and I just cannot see any benifit in that (certainly not for the club) other than as something Shepherd can point to when he is forced to accept some insulting offer furthur down the line. Shepherd deserves all the flack directed at him over this in my opinion. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 09:01:30 AM He does not deny the £9mill get out clause, seems more pissed that it has been made public and if its not came from the club then it has to have came from people close to owen.. Is this Owen looking for a move?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 09:05:24 AM He does not deny the £9mill get out clause, seems more pissed that it has been made public and if its not came from the club then it has to have came from people close to owen.. Is this Owen looking for a move? Probably. Can you blame him though? It's a very short career, even more so when you have just come back from a serious injury. If I'm Michael Owen and I'm looking around that pitch and that stadium last weekend, I'm wondering how the f*** my career has come to this, and thinking I've got to do something to get things back on track asap. Does he owe us a season fully fit? Speaking from the heart as a fan of Newcastle, then maybe he does, but looking objectively at it, he owes us f*** all. Not his fault he got injured, not his fault footballers get paid a lottery win every year. He came, he got injured, we got shitter. I wouldn't want to stay if I was him. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: bobyule on May 10, 2007, 09:07:27 AM Another thing: we are in the process of trying to appoint a new manager, and Shepherd chooses this moment to initiate a public feud with his best player. The sort of player that any prospective manager would look at and think "I could do great things with this lad in my team" and our beloved Chairman has just attached a neon sign to him that says "WANTS TO LEAVE". f****** astounding. And Christ knows what this does to team morale. Can you imagine the atmosphere at training today? Shepherd just doesn't think of anyone but himself. He's completely out of his depth. He's upsetting the player and the squad. He's putting off potential managers. He's making us look amateurish. All to try and save his own skin. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GypsyKing on May 10, 2007, 09:07:32 AM The quotes are quite specific, doesn't look like any kind of misquote either.
He was an idiot in a Spanish brothel and he's still an idiot now when it comes to PR and other communications issues. Anyway, decent price and he might as well be sold because his value plummets with each passing season. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 09:08:15 AM He does not deny the £9mill get out clause, seems more pissed that it has been made public and if its not came from the club then it has to have came from people close to owen.. Is this Owen looking for a move? Probably. Can you blame him though? It's a very short career, even more so when you have just come back from a serious injury. If I'm Michael Owen and I'm looking around that pitch and that stadium last weekend, I'm wondering how the f*** my career has come to this, and thinking I've got to do something to get things back on track asap. Does he owe us a season fully fit? Speaking from the heart as a fan of Newcastle, then maybe he does, but looking objectively at it, he owes us f*** all. Not his fault he got injured, not his fault footballers get paid a lottery win every year. He came, he got injured, we got shitter. I wouldn't want to stay if I was him. I reckon if the new manager is Sven or Gerrad he may stay but this £9 mill get out cluase story came out before Sven and Gerrad were linked with the job here. I get the feeling Owen does not want to hang around for Big Sam.. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 09:10:37 AM Lets not pretend that - if indeed it is coming from near the player - that he is innocent in this either. Yes, FFS made a mistake, but he isn't the only one. I wouldn't necessarily class trying to get out of the club 'a mistake' at the moment, but that is by the by. The point is Shepherd has brought the arguement into the public domain and I just cannot see any benifit in that (certainly not for the club) other than as something Shepherd can point to when he is forced to accept some insulting offer furthur down the line. Shepherd deserves all the flack directed at him over this in my opinion. Teh argument already was int he public domain, you can't blame the Fat Man for that. He CAN be blamed for handling it wrong, but not for what the players people have already done. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: macbeth on May 10, 2007, 09:27:09 AM From Sporting Life......
Shepherd also played down suggestions Sven-Goran Eriksson is a candidate for the Newcastle manager's vacancy. Eriksson's agent Athole Still has claimed the former England boss had the support of 51% of Geordies. Shepherd said: "Where he gets that figure from, I can't imagine. I think 51% of Geordies might like the idea of Sven's girlfriend Nancy Dell'Olio on the Newcastle Quayside." _____________ Classy stuff, shows the level he thinks at Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 09:29:28 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place.
He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 09:35:26 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 10, 2007, 09:36:44 AM If we sell Owen for £9mil and remove £100k per week from the wage bill and Luque goes on Loan saving £20-40k per week (depending on the arrangement), and then we get in Darren Bent for £8-10m on £30k per week its a good deal for the club.
I'd even cosider someone like Anelka (being quick, has a footballing brain and knows where the goal is) for the right price as a replacement. Fit Owen = 20 goals a season Fit Bent = 15 goals a season (12 this season in a relegated team) Would Owen be fit for long enough to get 20 goals though? Darren Bent - the next Les Ferdinand! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 09:38:01 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 09:38:58 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: nufc_geordie on May 10, 2007, 09:41:18 AM The sale of Owen would reap one good point. More coin for the transfer window! If a new manager comes in it is highly unlikely that there will be a place in the team for both Owen and Martins. Martins wants to be here, Owen doesn't. Could be £10 million extra to the war kitty.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 09:42:30 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Oh well then. Heres me thinking we were going to build a team on ability and work ethic. Now I'm looking foward to a team full of mercenaries, who have no desire to win anything, and will leave after two years, yipeeeeeeee. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: macca888 on May 10, 2007, 09:49:23 AM To be honest, would Owen really be missed that much?
OK, we take a heavy loss on him but if we got 10 million, then we could buy Bent for 7 and Viduka on a free for approiximately what we would be paying Owen each week and make several million to put towards a decent centre half. And this without touching whatever money is given to the new manager to start with. Owen will probably get injured anyway, playing for his beloved England. I think he is fragile goods, to be honest. Plus, is his desire 100%? I dont think so. Better get rid and get in players who are 100% committed. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 09:50:38 AM The sale of Owen would reap one good point. More coin for the transfer window! If a new manager comes in it is highly unlikely that there will be a place in the team for both Owen and Martins. Martins wants to be here, Owen doesn't. Could be £10 million extra to the war kitty. And you are going to replace by far our best striker effectively with that extra £9 million in the war chest. Hmmmm, I'd be interested to see you try. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: shaun11177 on May 10, 2007, 09:52:45 AM Freddie has said that of course there are certain clauses in his contract,every top player has certain clauses in his contract-whatever that means.
More significantly Owen only signed a 4 year contract,usually they are 5 years so in 6 months time its sell or sign an extension.To let it go to 1 year left is dangerous we cant afford to write off 16m. In football these days the player decides and nothing any Chairman says is going to make any difference. 9m-with the new sky contract coming into play that is peanuts to the top clubs,i am pretty sure there will be a bid by Man Utd. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 09:53:27 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Oh well then. Heres me thinking we were going to build a team on ability and work ethic. Now I'm looking foward to a team full of mercenaries, who have no desire to win anything, and will leave after two years, yipeeeeeeee. If they had any desire to win anything, they wouldn't have made the mistake of showing up here in the first place tbh. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Martin Jol on May 10, 2007, 09:55:05 AM If we sell Owen for £9mil and remove £100k per week from the wage bill and Luque goes on Loan saving £20-40k per week (depending on the arrangement), and then we get in Darren Bent for £8-10m on £30k per week its a good deal for the club. I'd even cosider someone like Anelka (being quick, has a footballing brain and knows where the goal is) for the right price as a replacement. Fit Owen = 20 goals a season Fit Bent = 15 goals a season (12 this season in a relegated team) Would Owen be fit for long enough to get 20 goals though? Darren Bent - the next Les Ferdinand! ITK's are saying that Spurs will announce next week (when the Premiership season has ended) that Bent will be joining when the window opens. £8/9m is what they're saying. How accurate that is we'll find out next week. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 09:56:55 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Oh well then. Heres me thinking we were going to build a team on ability and work ethic. Now I'm looking foward to a team full of mercenaries, who have no desire to win anything, and will leave after two years, yipeeeeeeee. If they had any desire to win anything, they wouldn't have made the mistake of showing up here in the first place tbh. Ah brilliant. So we're looking for: A team with no desire. A manager with no desire. Gerrin, now we need N-O to start going to games, then we'll get FANS with no desire. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 09:59:53 AM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 10, 2007, 10:02:00 AM If we sell Owen for £9mil and remove £100k per week from the wage bill and Luque goes on Loan saving £20-40k per week (depending on the arrangement), and then we get in Darren Bent for £8-10m on £30k per week its a good deal for the club. I'd even cosider someone like Anelka (being quick, has a footballing brain and knows where the goal is) for the right price as a replacement. Fit Owen = 20 goals a season Fit Bent = 15 goals a season (12 this season in a relegated team) Would Owen be fit for long enough to get 20 goals though? Darren Bent - the next Les Ferdinand! ITK's are saying that Spurs will announce next week (when the Premiership season has ended) that Bent will be joining when the window opens. £8/9m is what they're saying. How accurate that is we'll find out next week. Why would they wait till next week though? You can sign a player whenever you want, the transfer just gets finalised in the next window. I'd have thought something like this would be in all the papers now if it was signed sealed and awaiting delivery Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 10:02:13 AM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 10:09:13 AM We were the best option he had at the time, but I never thought for 1 minute he was going to be a long term players for us, okay I thought he would have scored lots of goals by now but two bad injuries have stopped that, so we really have no idea if we would miss him or not.
Would be very very embarrassing if we lose him due to a £9mill get out clause, a loss of £8 mill on a player that has only played a total of 13 gmaes for us and scored 7 goals, well 14 games after Watford. It would a case of him going and us not being able to do a thing about it, does not look good for us right now at all does it. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 10:13:10 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Oh well then. Heres me thinking we were going to build a team on ability and work ethic. Now I'm looking foward to a team full of mercenaries, who have no desire to win anything, and will leave after two years, yipeeeeeeee. If they had any desire to win anything, they wouldn't have made the mistake of showing up here in the first place tbh. Exactamundo, as The Fonz might say. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 10, 2007, 10:18:15 AM We were the best option he had at the time, but I never thought for 1 minute he was going to be a long term players for us, okay I thought he would have scored lots of goals by now but two bad injuries have stopped that, so we really have no idea if we would miss him or not. Would be very very embarrassing if we lose him due to a £9mill get out clause, a loss of £8 mill on a player that has only played a total of 13 gmaes for us and scored 7 goals, well 14 games after Watford. It would a case of him going and us not being able to do a thing about it, does not look good for us right now at all does it. Thing is, we now have a chance to come out of a very embarrasing 2-3 year period for the club and to take the club in a new direction. If losing Owen and making a loss, combined with taking a hit on Luque, Bramble, Carr etc lets the club move forward with a clean slate and gives us greater room for transfer activity then take the hit and move on. There are other 15-20 goal a season strikers available for less than we are paying for Owen (in terms of fee and wages) Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: 1nol on May 10, 2007, 10:18:46 AM He's never really been a Newcastle player to me. His only purpose this season has been as an excuse for the teams performances. 'When Owen gets fit we won't be in this mess.' So when he goes, we'll be in exactly the position we're in now but with a little bit more money to spend and another position to fill.
Hopefully we'll fill that position with someone who wants to be here. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Brazilianbob on May 10, 2007, 10:19:38 AM The a*sehole of a chairman put an escape clause in saying Owen could leave, provided someone meets the clause activation fee, if, and only if, we failed to qualify for Europe. The complete moron assumed at the very very least we would sail into the Intertoto and thereby negate the release clause.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optimistic Nut on May 10, 2007, 10:20:41 AM First thing I thought of when I saw this article was when Bobby Robson came out on Sky after the Norwich game bragging, "not even Manchester United can afford Rooney". 3 days later, Manchester United bought Rooney.
Why the f*ck do we persist in shooting ourselves in the foot? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Pokerprince2004 on May 10, 2007, 10:21:55 AM Can anyone blame Owen wanting to move? Just look at Saturday he must have looked at team mates like Bramble, Carr, Ameobi and thought to himself what the f*** has happened to him and how low his career has gone. Then doing a lap of honour in a 90% empty stadium with booing as they walked round :lol:
Only reason he might stay is just the guilt factor that he has to 'owe' us for spending £17m and giving him millions in wages and to get such little return off him. At the end of the day he will have to think of his career and not sentiment and although it will piss us off he will only have to come back to SJP once a year Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 10:21:57 AM No love loss at all. I'd rather rebuild without the c***. Tara :thup:
Mind I'd rather rebuild without Sheperd annal like. :knuppel2: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GM on May 10, 2007, 10:23:37 AM Well said Freddy. No. He's an idiot. The Chairman of a PLC taunting his company's most valuable asset in the press. Moronic. Couldn't have put it better myself, Gemmill. Wish the stupid fucker would just learn to zip it. What a colossal prick he is. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GM on May 10, 2007, 10:26:45 AM Can anyone blame Owen wanting to move? Just look at Saturday he must have looked at team mates like Bramble, Carr, Ameobi and thought to himself what the f*** has happened to him and how low his career has gone. Then doing a lap of honour in a 90% empty stadium with booing as they walked round :lol: Only reason he might stay is just the guilt factor that he has to 'owe' us for spending £17m and giving him millions in wages and to get such little return off him. At the end of the day he will have to think of his career and not sentiment and although it will piss us off he will only have to come back to SJP once a year Also, this. Spot on. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 10:29:22 AM Well said Freddy. No. He's an idiot. The Chairman of a PLC taunting his company's most valuable asset in the press. Moronic. Couldn't have put it better myself, Gemmill. Wish the stupid fucker would just learn to zip it. What a colossal prick he is. Taunting? Hardly. Gemmill you f****** spastic, you've got the BAD aids. Thats a taunt :) Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optimistic Nut on May 10, 2007, 10:30:18 AM Exactly. He came it at a time when things did look good. We'd just signed Boumsong in the January who was looking canny, in came Emre & Parker, and then Luque who he'd have known all about from his Real Madrid days. Two years on, there's just nothing going for us apart from the hope a new manager shakes things up.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Brazilianbob on May 10, 2007, 10:32:04 AM What concerns me is that Shepherd is telling Owen that none of the top four are interested, but he seems to have completely overlooked the fact that Owen moving to a team finishing 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th would be a big step up for Owen and would likely propel that club into the top four.
I believe Shepherd is trying to get Owen to refute these rumours, simply because of the detrimental effect it could have on season ticket sales. No more, no less! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optimistic Nut on May 10, 2007, 10:34:37 AM Could you honestly see Owen at Spurs, Everton, Bolton, Aston Villa, etc?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: graemeh72 on May 10, 2007, 10:37:06 AM What concerns me is that Shepherd is telling Owen that none of the top four are interested, but he seems to have completely overlooked the fact that Owen moving to a team finishing 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th would be a big step up for Owen and would likely propel that club into the top four. I believe Shepherd is trying to get Owen to refute these rumours, simply because of the detrimental effect it could have on season ticket sales. No more, no less! Aye agree Its renewal time!!! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Ridzuan on May 10, 2007, 10:40:28 AM Owen should have the initiative to go and tell publicly that he will stay here next season and not having Freddy to ask him to do that.Nevertheless,if the rumours are not true,there shouldnt be any need for Owen to say anything though an assurance for him would be good to settle the situation a little bit.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dr Venkman on May 10, 2007, 10:40:49 AM for gods sake man, WHEN will we be rid of this idiot shepherd?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GM on May 10, 2007, 10:41:36 AM Could you honestly see Owen at Spurs, Everton, Bolton, Aston Villa, etc? Nope. But then could you ever have imagined he's have signed for us? £££ :cheesy: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 10:47:56 AM I think he would only leave for one of the top four clubs in the Prem by that I mean Mn Ure, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.
Thing is do any of them really want him, the media seem to think so but then again they have thought it since the day he signed for us. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gav H on May 10, 2007, 10:50:57 AM Shepherd is an absolute Mong.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Shotgun Mick on May 10, 2007, 10:58:19 AM I cannot believe he has done this. Is he trying to unsettle Owen or what?
"Michael has two choices: he can come out and tells our fans that he is happy here or I tell him none of the big four are interested. Because that's the case." Unbelievable. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 11:00:17 AM Will be interesting to see if Owen does make a statement, I think Fred is furios over the fact that the get out clause is now public and he feels it has to have came from owens people, should not have done it in the press but he has called his bluff now lets see if it back fires, see if Owen has a mystery strain for the Watford game.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: GM on May 10, 2007, 11:03:12 AM I cannot believe he has done this. Is he trying to unsettle Owen or what? "Michael has two choices: he can come out and tells our fans that he is happy here or I tell him none of the big four are interested. Because that's the case." Unbelievable. Shepherd is just a thick t*** who doesn't realise that he's already just done that latter bit (in bold) - so now Michael Owen no effectively has no choice, as one of the so called options has been removed as quickly as it was presented. You couldn't make it up. Bye bye Michael. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lotus on May 10, 2007, 11:04:28 AM Anyone who puts an escape clause for that amount activating only if we fail to qualify for Europe and while they were currently employing Souness and then compounding that later by hiring Roeder has made 3 very bad judgements.
Had it coming unfortunatley. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 11:06:11 AM Could be a get out clause for 39mill but only fater 2 seasons, could be anything to be honest.
Fk it take the money and go after Eto'o :D O0 Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: A.C on May 10, 2007, 11:13:05 AM When I read that, I cringed so hard my liver died. We have the most unprofessional board in the entire football world.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: killers_perm on May 10, 2007, 11:13:06 AM I used to work at the club and was there at the press conference when Owen signed. A lot of the hacks were asking why he signed for us and his answer was always, big club, passionate fans, great set up and Chance to play/work with Alan Shearer
After speaking to two very good friends still working at SJP they have said that Owen was led to belive that once Shearer retired from playing he would be the next toon boss - obviously he was still playing when Souness was sacked, but now that GR has gone and Shearer isn't going to take over, Owen has decided he has no other reason to stay. I doubt it has anything to do with who is coming in, more like who isn't and that's why Owens agent is now pushing things into the public domain to get a move sorted Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optomystyc Nyt on May 10, 2007, 11:13:29 AM If Owen wants to f*** off, so be it. You lads on here can put the club down all you want, but if you haven't got the desire to succeed with a club with huge resources, and with our club being so starved of successs, then your not somebody I wanted here in the first place. He'll be right down in my estimations (and most Newcastle fans) if he leaves mind, not that he gives a f***. You're a Newcastle fan. Owen's not. He is also an employee of the club and probably has a much better idea of how f***** it is compared to proper big clubs (Liverpool, Real Madrid). To expect a player that's played at clubs like that to be wowed by our "huge resources" is a touch naive. And quite how being "starved of success" is supposed to entice him to stay, I haven't a clue. Take the blinkers off man - this is a lad who knows what successful football clubs are all about and he knows that we haven't got what it takes. Like I said, I'm not going to cry into my cereal that he's f****** off. By your regards Gemmill, why would anyone want to come here? £. Oh well then. Heres me thinking we were going to build a team on ability and work ethic. Now I'm looking foward to a team full of mercenaries, who have no desire to win anything, and will leave after two years, yipeeeeeeee. If they had any desire to win anything, they wouldn't have made the mistake of showing up here in the first place tbh. well signing mid table players on decent wages could be the best way to start to build a new squad not based on currency. buy players fromclubs outside the top 6 (our level) and try and build a solid team then do a bolton/everton. Could work. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optomystyc Nyt on May 10, 2007, 11:19:10 AM Could you honestly see Owen at Spurs, Everton, Bolton, Aston Villa, etc? Nope. But then could you ever have imagined he's have signed for us? £££ :cheesy: we are a more attractive option for players like owen, if only because we have good potential and can pay high wages. Everton, Bolton, Villa, Spurs etc... will never really have the clout to challenge imo, not for a while anyway (unless villa start spending with their billionaire). we could challenge, if we had the right guidence. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: KaKa on May 10, 2007, 11:19:52 AM We really need to make a clean break and make sure that we rid ourselves of any players who are here purely for financial reasons and who are not here because they are excited about playing for the club.
If there is one thing I agreed with Roeder about, it was his desire to recruit players who would see Newcastle as a step up. When all is said and done we have to become a club that can identify and nurture emerging talent before the talent moves onto a club with a big status. Only then will we begin to enjoy good players who play with desire. If we continue to poach 'good' players who haven't quite panned out from big clubs then we will continue to see the likes of Owen, Duff and Butt (initially of course) let us down. It is no surprise that our best player this season, James Milner, is a young player for whom Newcastle is a step up. The previous season N'Zogbia was very much the same. This is the reason why we should be targetting the likes of Nolan, Sidwell, Bent, Nugent, Ben Haim, Distin etc because they clearly have talent but as of yet have not played at clubs the size of Newcastle. Along the same line of thought we should steer well clear of the likes of Wright-Philips and Wes Brown who would probably only let us down as they would not necessary have the hunger we need having come from big clubs where they are no longer needed. We are about to start over with a promising manager who has never had an opportunity with a club of our resources and now we have to make sure we go into the new season with players who have never had the chance to play for a club with of our size and resources too. Let Owen and his likes go in my opinion ... as long as we do our job scouting wise we could end up with a team of plyers who are hungry and motivated to play for us and this would be better for the team on the whole and would mean better results. Nexts eason cannot be about keeping Owen happy. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rob W on May 10, 2007, 11:20:14 AM I just remember that everyone said there was no get out clause in his contract
lied to again it seems Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 11:21:46 AM We really need to make a clean break and make sure that we rid ourselves of any players who are here purely for financial reasons and who are not here because they are excited about playing for the club. So we need to lose most of the first team. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dragon55544 on May 10, 2007, 11:22:47 AM If a team offered us £10m for Owen who would take it?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lee-Mus on May 10, 2007, 11:23:34 AM Well said Fat Fred, Owen shut up and play or f*** off out of our club
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Optomystyc Nyt on May 10, 2007, 11:23:50 AM I just remember that everyone said there was no get out clause in his contract lied to again it seems what imbacile puts a get out clause in a players contract for half what he paid for him? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Shotgun Mick on May 10, 2007, 11:26:56 AM If Newcastle sell Owen for £9million it would make the club even more of a laughing stock. If that is even possible.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lee-Mus on May 10, 2007, 11:28:24 AM I'd take 9million. This is the time for Fat Fred to appoint a proper manager with a good past record and get the team sorted, by firstly getting rid of time wasters like Owen
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 11:28:24 AM The hack that did the interview with Fred on SSN now saying Freddy was goign ballistic over this story about Owen going to leave.
Blaming Owens people. "Freddy dying to get ahold of Owens agent and pinn him against a wall" mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Razor on May 10, 2007, 11:29:48 AM If Owen wants to leave, let him leave, we can't afford to have players here who don't want to be here apart from financial reasons. If he wants to stay good on him, i think he owes us that much anyway. If he leaves bring in a young striker with a desire to succeed and who would work well with Martins.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lotus on May 10, 2007, 11:30:45 AM The more i think about this deal the more i'm puzzled:
It was always likely he would leave with 2 seasons to go on his deal imo. He'd be wanting to play CL football at that stage of his career and not even a blind optimist would think we'd be at that level. Especially considering Souness was in charge when he signed. Ignoring the injury for a minute. So we buy him for £16M His wages are £5M per year An outlay of £26M An escape clause (allegedll) of £9M A net loss of £17M At £500K per place in the table, just what was Owen supposed to do to repay our outlay and how exactly was this in anyway a good deal. I must have missed something (i'm serious), can someone enlighten me? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:31:22 AM Well my stance on getting rid of him ASAP certainly hasn't changed after this one.
£9m? Well it could be worse, we should sue the FA for the rest, its their fault he didn't play all season and partly their fault we haven't finished in Europe, could they disprove that we wouldn't of got Euro qualifying with him and his goals this season? I think not. He should sign a new contract for the amount we wasted on the little c***, but only so we dont lose out on more money, i'm not bothered if he's here or not, i'd rather have the money we paid for him and get someone who can actually make it to a football pitch more than 13 times in two seasons. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:32:25 AM PS: This should also spell the end of FS, every share owner must demand his resignation, if so the £8m loss is peanuts.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rebellious on May 10, 2007, 11:33:25 AM There could be something in this, from Owen too not just his "people" . About 2 months ago I heard about a couple of players who have been with us a while slagging Owen off quite aggressively when they were drunk. I took it as someone bullshitting as I just couldn`t see it myself but maybe he has stated that he doesn`t want to be here or is off as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 11:35:13 AM SSN saying they have spoken to Owens people but they do not want to say anything..
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:35:50 AM 'SSN's': Owen's agents wont talk to us about the story.
Says it all really. Bye Owen, lets hope you take down FS as you leave, if so you become a legend. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gggg on May 10, 2007, 11:36:24 AM Well done Freddy, dont take no s***. O0
Oh, wait.... its clear he knows Owen is leaving and hes f***** up so hes desperately trying to shift the blame onto Owen. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Kitman on May 10, 2007, 11:37:01 AM If it is true that there is a £9m sell on clause, and Owen wants to move on to a more successful club, I'd be really disappointed by the price. There's no excuse for not putting £20m in that clause, Owen would say he's worth it, a top club would pay it if he's fit enough and we would protect our investment. I just hope it isn't true. Tbh I'd understand him leaving and it might even turn out for the best if * enters cloud cuckoo land * we could somehow manage to buy say 2 of Bent/Anelka/Gudjohnsen. But if he leaves for only £9m........f*** me :( then f*** me again :( :(
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:37:07 AM Well done Freddy, dont take no s***. O0 Oh, wait.... its clear he knows Owen is leaving and hes f***** up so hes desperately trying to shift the blame onto Owen. blueyes.gif Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 11:37:46 AM I just remember that everyone said there was no get out clause in his contract lied to again it seems what imbacile puts a get out clause in a players contract for half what he paid for him? Someone who knows that without it, the player will never coem to a club of this size, and who has to gamble on the player working out in order to continue his 'voice of the people/wanting to bring success' mythical personality. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:38:17 AM Tell you what, FM get it fuking right everytime, anyone with 07 been able to keep Owen after he returns to play two games for you at the end of the season and wants to move to a bigger club.
;D Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 10, 2007, 11:38:30 AM 'SSN's': Owen's agents wont talk to us about the story. Says it all really. Bye Owen, lets hope you take down FS as you leave, if so you become a legend. No, you've got it wrong. Owen's people can't talk to SSN because they are currently held in Alan Olivers queue, its a busy day today with representatives of all of the managers in the world wanting to tell AO that they haven't spoken to NUFC, but would be interested in doing so. They'll be on later this evening Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:39:18 AM 'SSN's': Owen's agents wont talk to us about the story. Says it all really. Bye Owen, lets hope you take down FS as you leave, if so you become a legend. No, you've got it wrong. Owen's people can't talk to SSN because they are currently held in Alan Olivers queue, its a busy day today with representatives of all of the managers in the world wanting to tell AO that they haven't spoken to NUFC, but would be interested in doing so. They'll be on later this evening :lol: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 11:40:48 AM Wouldn't be surprised if FS isn't on the phone right now trying to get Houllier in ASAP and having Alan Shearer kidnap Owen until he signs a new contract.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Ezekiel 25:17 on May 10, 2007, 11:56:52 AM I don't really understand how Freddie can agree to have an escape clause of £9m inserted into Owen's contract, but find it objectionable when it becomes public. If you don't want people to know about it, don't put it in.
Equally, don't insert such a clause if you don't want a player to leave. I find it surprising that he would object to Owen wishing to move to another club. The very existence of the clause suggests that Owen stated his intentions very clearly from the outset: should Newcastle fail to qualify for Europe, he would wish to be able to leave for another club, should they offer £9m. As far as I can see, his intentions haven't changed. If anything, it appears that our chairman is not playing by the rules he had a hand in laying down when negotiating the contract. I appreciate why he felt we needed to sign Owen and that he would have to make compromises to entice him here, but he simply can't complain when it doesn't work out the way he had hoped. And to make it known that Owen has, in effect, hurt his feelings - not to mention saying as much to the press - is, frankly, naive at best and pathetic at worst. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: merlin on May 10, 2007, 11:57:00 AM It was always likely that Owen might leave if the club failed to progress whilst he was here - he has no regional loyalty as Shearer did, and the club has actually gone backwards since he joined.
Yes, he has had a series of injuries, but that was always likely to happen - any fool could have deduced that from his past record - Oh Wait - one fool didn't....! The fee was outrageous, and the only reason he came here & not back to Liverpool, although I DO believe the lad was prepared to give NUFC a chance ; if he hadn't been injured, we may have done better, but not much - there is too much wrong, right the way through the club, and Owen will know that by now. He might be torn a bit because of his lack of appearances, but in the end, his desire to perform at the highest level for as long as poss will decide his future. As usual, the Chairman is ranting away, full of bluster in order to try to disguise the lunacy of allowing a player to put escape clauses in his contract. I can understand it when it covers relegation, but nothing else - how can you plan the club's future like that ? The only consolation for supporters would be that a SHREWD manager will use the money from any sale far better than any of the past 3 incumbents would have done - PROVIDED that he is allowed to spend it on the player of his choice....!! That will tell us far more about the new manager than anything else.. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Stephen927 on May 10, 2007, 11:57:12 AM If a top four club want him, there's no doubt in my mind that he'll be off. The lad has ambitions to play at the highest level possible and win trophies and he's simply not going to be able to do that in a black and white shirt.
From Owen's perspective, I couldn't blame him if he wanted to leave, the foreseeable future at Newcastle United is bleak. There's potential if we get a decent manager but Owen won't want to stay around, he's already spent the best part of 2 seasons on the sidelines and he's not getting any younger. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 12:00:04 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NIToon on May 10, 2007, 12:02:04 PM What a ridiculous statement by the fat f**ker, you do not get agressive in the media with players you want to keep at the club
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: riches on May 10, 2007, 12:08:30 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. As much as I don't want to further inflate that ego of yours Gemmill, thats a top post. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: OzzieMandias on May 10, 2007, 12:32:15 PM Meanwhile, Shepherd'll be quibbling with Allardyce over how many coaching staff he's allowed.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 12:35:59 PM Meanwhile, Shepherd'll be quibbling with Allardyce over how many coaching staff he's allowed. Not right now. Between 11:30am and 2:30pm is designated Greggs Time. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: robster on May 10, 2007, 12:41:11 PM Everyone, to a man, has responsibilities in their job.
Can this man not be taken to task by someone for coming out with stuff like that ?? He must surely be as vulnerable to disciplinary proceedings as the rest of us... this must be a sackable offence. Cant the board members give him a vote of no confidence or something like that ?? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 12:43:59 PM Owen has made a statement saying that he feels loyal and isn't looking for a move or something (my ears may have been making things up) according to 5 live.
Fair play to him, shows an admirable and honourable restraint. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lotus on May 10, 2007, 12:45:37 PM Everyone, to a man, has responsibilities in their job. I'm sure that a deal of that size would have been under the noses of the club owners so if they ratified at the time it wouldn't be fair of them to blame FS solely for it. Can this man not be taken to task by someone for coming out with stuff like that ?? He must surely be as vulnerable to disciplinary proceedings as the rest of us... this must be a sackable offence. Cant the board members give him a vote of no confidence or something like that ?? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: jimmymag on May 10, 2007, 12:50:04 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. The best post I've read on here in a very long time. You're spot on with your analysis of why we won't fulfill our potential whilst FFS is at the helm. At least we'll not be seeing Sven on Tyneside after FFS's comment that the 51% figure quoted by Sven's agent related to the number of lads who'd like to see Nancy on the Quayside. It certainly made me laugh. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: garth on May 10, 2007, 12:51:29 PM Jesus Christ! Freddy and Roeder are like "two peas in a pod" they should just keep their big mouths shut and get on with business.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rodhaminho on May 10, 2007, 12:58:17 PM STOP, LOOK AROUND. 5 pages of this thread and not one post from Ne5 or HTL. I want to hear some excuses on behalf of Freddy sheppard.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: macbeth on May 10, 2007, 01:20:43 PM "I have read what Mr Shepherd as said. He is absolutely right in saying I want to play for a top 4 side. This why I joined this club. The chairman told me that he saw this club as being one that would compete at the highest level, that is what I want, that is what the fans want.
By the start of next season I will be playing for my third different Newcastle manager. It is up to the chairman to get it right this time. He should be appointing someone that will make this place a place that is in the CL every year. That is his job, he does nothing else that I can see, he just appoints the best person to take us all forward. If the chairman keeps making the sort of appointments that allow this club to finish below Boro, Villa, Blackburn, Reading and Bolton then he will never attract the players I think are needed to get to the top 4. I want to end my career at Newcastle, in a trophy-winning side. The chairman's actions show to everyone he has little idea of how let me do this." !!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: toptoon on May 10, 2007, 01:20:59 PM Very worrying imo as looks like Owen or his agent is trying to engineer a way out of Toon. Freddy has every right to be mad imo, as owen's out of order if he wants to move now, although FS is a complete Prat for agreeing to that clause. If Owen moves on for 9m after we just paid 16m he'll be a laughing stock.
People on here saying they woulden't blame Owen if he moved! Is there no decency left in the world at all? I Definately will, i think he owes us more than 13 poxy games or whatever he's played, disgusted with him if he jumps ship now he's finally fit after all the backing and support etc we've given him. I'm hoping he'll come out and deny these rumours and pledge at least next season to us, but i'm really fearing the worst now. Tbh if we got something like 15m for him i'd sell but 9m is a bit of a piss take to say the least. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: macbeth on May 10, 2007, 01:21:09 PM STOP, LOOK AROUND. 5 pages of this thread and not one post from Ne5 or HTL. I want to hear some excuses on behalf of Freddy sheppard. he has always backed his manager Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 01:23:06 PM "I have read what Mr Shepherd as said. He is absolutely right in saying I want to play for a top 4 side. This why I joined this club. The chairman told me that he saw this club as being one that would compete at the highest level, that is what I want, that is what the fans want. By the start of next season I will be playing for my third different Newcastle manager. It is up to the chairman to get it right this time. He should be appointing someone that will make this place a place that is in the CL every year. That is his job, he does nothing else that I can see, he just appoints the best person to take us all forward. If the chairman keeps making the sort of appointments that allow this club to finish below Boro, Villa, Blackburn, Reading and Bolton then he will never attract the players I think are needed to get to the top 4. I want to end my career at Newcastle, in a trophy-winning side. The chairman's actions show to everyone he has little idea of how let me do this." !!!!!!!!!!! I'm assuming that that's your version of what Owen's response should be, and not his actual words? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 10, 2007, 01:25:05 PM Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 10, 2007, 01:30:55 PM Negotiating an £8m loss into a contract. That takes a special kind of spastic.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 01:31:15 PM Negotiating an £8m loss into a contract. That takes a special kind of spastic. mackems.gif Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: thomas on May 10, 2007, 01:33:29 PM It'd make my week/month if he came out and read macbeths post.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: bobyule on May 10, 2007, 01:37:13 PM Everyone, to a man, has responsibilities in their job. Can this man not be taken to task by someone for coming out with stuff like that ?? He must surely be as vulnerable to disciplinary proceedings as the rest of us... this must be a sackable offence. Cant the board members give him a vote of no confidence or something like that ?? Sadly, this is the heart of the problem. Our club is a one man band, and there isn't anyone to act as a restraining influence on him. This is just the latest example of his rank incompetence, and if he was an employee he'd have been sacked long ago. But who will do it? The Halls are the largest shareholders, but they don't or won't flex their muscle. They could oust him from the Chair if they wanted, but Sir John is retired and doesn't want to be involved in the running of the club. Douglas isn't capable of running the club. It's clear that they want to sell up, but Shepherd is blocking any takeover by refusing to budge. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Magnetic North on May 10, 2007, 01:44:21 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. **** me. There's no stopping Gemmill today! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: cfcmagpies on May 10, 2007, 01:48:59 PM Tell you what, FM get it fuking right everytime, anyone with 07 been able to keep Owen after he returns to play two games for you at the end of the season and wants to move to a bigger club. ;D Actually yeah, in my second season in charge he knocked in four goals in a match in a uefa cup semi :clap: Must admit though I prefer 2006- scored 25 league goals in the first season, then chelsea came knocking with a cool 40 million. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Darth Toon on May 10, 2007, 02:18:42 PM Just as I was grudgingly giving the fat man some credit for the timing of the Roeder dismissal he comes out with this s****.
I'm actually embarrased for him. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: bobyule on May 10, 2007, 02:24:20 PM I don't really understand how Freddie can agree to have an escape clause of £9m inserted into Owen's contract, but find it objectionable when it becomes public. If you don't want people to know about it, don't put it in. Equally, don't insert such a clause if you don't want a player to leave. I find it surprising that he would object to Owen wishing to move to another club. The very existence of the clause suggests that Owen stated his intentions very clearly from the outset: should Newcastle fail to qualify for Europe, he would wish to be able to leave for another club, should they offer £9m. As far as I can see, his intentions haven't changed. If anything, it appears that our chairman is not playing by the rules he had a hand in laying down when negotiating the contract. I appreciate why he felt we needed to sign Owen and that he would have to make compromises to entice him here, but he simply can't complain when it doesn't work out the way he had hoped. And to make it known that Owen has, in effect, hurt his feelings - not to mention saying as much to the press - is, frankly, naive at best and pathetic at worst. I agree with every word. What's more, it ill befits Freddie to be trying to claim the moral high ground. The player had said publicly that he wanted to join Liverpool, and that he would only consider signing for us on loan. We then put in a bid that was so far ahead of Liverpool's, as to make it impossible for Madrid to accept their offer. We took advantage of the fact that Owen was desperate to leave in order to get first team football in preparation for the World Cup. Freddie effectively drove him into a corner. It's now clear that in order to overcome Owen's reluctance, Freddie had to agree to some terms that were very unfavourable to the club. He can't complain now. Those that live by the sword, die by the sword. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 02:32:49 PM Fact is Owen had us over a barrel, we were desperate for a striker and time was running out, I think Fred had faith he would see out 3 years of a four year deal then cash in on the £9mill.
Owen probaly point blank refused to sign without that clause in anyway, but I think it hitting the press is a clear sign he well wants away. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Leazes1986 on May 10, 2007, 02:35:26 PM I can't be arsed to go on a rant here but it just goes to show what an idiot Shepherd is. This leak of information could most definitely come from those close to Michael Owen. If he really does want to go then he can f*** off right now. We'll be taking a massive loss (nothing new there), but i'm sure someone like Allardyce could do quite a bit with £9. £9m in the bank, £110,000 a week of the wage bill and an unhappy player out of the club is better than keeping an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here. We won't be able to buy individuals as good as Michael Owen in the summer, but its not about individuals. If we can get a good TEAM playing together as a unit then thats all that matters.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 02:37:13 PM I thought we would have some reaction from the Owen camp by now, but still nothing, not looking good really..
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 02:38:04 PM I can't be arsed to go on a rant here but it just goes to show what an idiot Shepherd is. This leak of information could most definitely come from those close to Michael Owen. If he really does want to go then he can f*** off right now. We'll be taking a massive loss (nothing new there), but i'm sure someone like Allardyce could do quite a bit with £9. £9m in the bank, £110,000 a week of the wage bill and an unhappy player out of the club is better than keeping an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here. We won't be able to buy individuals as good as Michael Owen in the summer, but its not about individuals. If we can get a good TEAM playing together as a unit then thats all that matters. Owen is expendable with Martins here now. Even if we only get £9m for him, we put that towards a 6ft4"+ target man that never gets injured and we'll be deadly upfront. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Brazilianbob on May 10, 2007, 02:40:19 PM Does anyone really believe that Owen will leave for £9m? If what we are told is true, that is simply the activation bid.
There are a multitude of teams out there who could afford £9m when the Sky TV money is taken into account. £9m would just be the starting point and would very likely end up in a bidding war topping what we paid for him. Bring it on if he wants to go I say! Remember Rooney! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 10, 2007, 02:41:54 PM Does anyone really believe that Owen will leave for £9m? If what we are told is true, that is simply the activation bid. There are a multitude of teams out there who could afford £9m when the Sky TV money is taken into account. £9m would just be the starting point and would very likely end up in a bidding war topping what we paid for him. Bring it on if he wants to go I say! Remember Rooney! Can't see it working like that. One team bids £9m its accepted and there talking to Owen, another team only has to bid the same and they are talking, the one who makes the extra will be Owen, yet again. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 02:42:29 PM If Liverpool bid £9mill then Fed has to accept it if Owen agree's terms with them, make no difference if other clubs bid a higher amount.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 10, 2007, 02:42:51 PM Does anyone really believe that Owen will leave for £9m? If what we are told is true, that is simply the activation bid. There are a multitude of teams out there who could afford £9m when the Sky TV money is taken into account. £9m would just be the starting point and would very likely end up in a bidding war topping what we paid for him. Bring it on if he wants to go I say! Remember Rooney! If the clause is £9m, thats all we will get for him Oops, already said! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 02:44:56 PM its also worth thinking about that the £17m could have included appearance based fees, which probably wouldnt be activated.
just a guess like, probably not. sigh. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Leazes1986 on May 10, 2007, 02:53:18 PM If we do sell him for £9m and the deal we done with Real Madrid included appearance money then i think the board would be best coming out and telling everyone we didn't pay the full money flat out for him though. we probably did pay the full money though. I hope the fans who sung "there's only one Freddy Shepherd" when we signed Owen feel good about themselves now. I for one wouldn't be gutted if Owen left. The more money the better for the new manager. I don't want to see us get rid of the few good players we do have but taking all things into consideration selling him might be the best thing. He's only got 2 years left on his contract and if we don't sell him now then he will leave for less next summer or if we force him to stay until his contracts up we will have an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here and thats no good for anyone. One things for sure though, if he does leave then he will become the most hated player to visit SJP for the rest of his career. Not that it would bother him like.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 02:56:58 PM I thought we would have some reaction from the Owen camp by now, but still nothing, not looking good really.. Well every sports bulletin for the last couple of hours on 5 live has stated that they 'understand' that Owen has loyalty to the club and is not looking to move. No idea what their source is but it has been the top story for a while now. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 02:59:03 PM I thought we would have some reaction from the Owen camp by now, but still nothing, not looking good really.. Well every sports bulletin for the last couple of hours on 5 live has stated that they 'understand' that Owen has loyalty to the club and is not looking to move. No idea what their source is but it has been the top story for a while now. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Raconteur on May 10, 2007, 03:00:20 PM This whole thing stinks on a couple of levels. For the purpose of this exercise, I am assuming the 9m fee is triggered by failure to make it into Europe
Firstly, I think it explodes the myth that Freddy Shepherd does not influence/arbitrarily makes transfer policy. If Greame Souness wanted Michael Owen, then when negotiating the contract Shepherd would surely have refused to agree to the release clause. Rather, it seems Owen was Shepherd's replacement for Shearer one year early as some have suggested, and that he was prepared to sign him whatever the cost. "The cost" being not only a massively inflated fee, but also a release clause that at the time Shepherd might have felt would never be activated but still a ridiculous risk. However, as someone in this thread mentioned, this escape clause should have factored into Shepherd's thinking when Souness nearly got us relegated and was dismissed. We qualified for Europe by the skimpiest of margins (and thus could conceivably have been activated last seaosn!) Shouldn't the thought of losing Owen for 9m factored into Shepherd's thinking when replacing Souness, knowing that there was no opportunity for consolidation but that instant success was essential? And then there is the actual press release in question. Over the years we have become accustomed to Shepherd's press gaffe's, but it's difficult to see any reason or logic behind this one. Did he feel that such a crude and billigerent statement would inspire Owen's loyalty, because if so any first year public relations student could tell him that's not the best way to go about it! Looking at it logically, the only thing that makes sense to me is that things are much further advanced than we think - that Owen's advisors are speaking to the big for without the club's permission (secure in the knowledge that the fee can be activated) and Shepherd is trying to retrieve the situation by forcing Owen onto the defensive. Which, again, is not the best way to go about things when considering team harmony. It might force Owen to stay, but what is an unwilling player going to do to morale within the squad? And more importantly, what impact will it have on prospective new managers - knowing that the club's brightest star is either on his way out or staying under sufferance? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: thewellander on May 10, 2007, 03:02:53 PM I have a bad feeling about this. I've read Owen's autobiography, and my impression is that he's quite a bit self-absorbed. I think that he'll leave Newcastle and not bat an eyelash, if it suits him to do so. And this little outburst by our chairman definately suggests that - at the very least - Owen and management are not on the same page right now.
Hopefully we can ride this out until next week, when we have a new manager, and then we can see in what direction Allardyce is going to take this club. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Teasy on May 10, 2007, 03:11:40 PM What concerns me is that Shepherd is telling Owen that none of the top four are interested, but he seems to have completely overlooked the fact that Owen moving to a team finishing 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th would be a big step up for Owen and would likely propel that club into the top four. I believe Shepherd is trying to get Owen to refute these rumours, simply because of the detrimental effect it could have on season ticket sales. No more, no less! What you've missed is that none of those teams could afford even half his wages never mind all of them.. On the subject at hand, it amazes me all this talk that Owen owes us "f*** all" and its understandable if he leaves. Yeah in the world of no responsibilities and no morals that's true. But in the real world Owen does owe us a season fit due to how well he's been treated by this club and its fans right through his injury problems. Frankly he should be so embarrased with what's happened at Newcastle he should be raring to to prove to everyone that he was worth the money we paid for him. Obviously that doesn't mean he'll stay because the real world isn't fair. But it does mean that if he leaves its fair to label him a f****** wheasel with no respect for himself or anyone else! Oh and I don't buy this £9 million clause either. Why is it £9 million all of a sudden and not £12 million? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnnypd on May 10, 2007, 03:15:59 PM On the subject at hand, it amazes me all this talk that Owen owes us "f*** all" and its understandable if he leaves. Yeah in the world of no responsibilities and no morals that's true. But in the real world Owen does owe us a season fit due to how well he's been treated by this club and its fans right through his injury problems. Frankly he should be so embarrased with what's happened at Newcastle he should be raring to to prove to everyone that he was worth the money we paid for him. Obviously that doesn't mean he'll stay because the real world isn't fair. But it does mean that if he leaves its fair to label him a f****** wheasel with no respect for himself or anyone else! agree, think he's going to leave now though, and i won't be too upset if we can replace him with a good creative striker, berbatov or tevez for instance. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: The Bonk on May 10, 2007, 03:16:46 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. They do that at Chelsea and they finished second in the league this year, mate. You've done a brilliant job of outlining the problems, but I fail to see where you answered any of Newcastle Rocker's questions there? How can we attract top talent without splashing the cash? We can't, simple as. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordie Boot Boy on May 10, 2007, 03:19:28 PM It seems to me that Owen is half way out the door already. It's unfortunate because he's represented terrible value for money, even by our shocking standards but that's life. I'd probably do the same in his position as a non-Newcastle supporter.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Superior Grant on May 10, 2007, 03:23:29 PM I really want to see owen for a year. When we first got him, i thought he'd be off quick, but expected to see him for a season. I want to see him for more than the odd game. And i would have thought now is the time to be most optimistic since he arrived, with seemingly a good manager coming in. I'll be disappointed in him if he goes this summer, as i've always praised him as a character as well as a player.
However, as said, he is more dispensable now. We have martins who is young, good now and looking very promising, and with 9million and a saving on wages, i'm sure if we get the right man as manager, he'll be able to get another v good striker, tailor made to partners martins. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordie Boot Boy on May 10, 2007, 03:25:23 PM ...I'll be disappointed in him if he goes this summer, as i've always praised him as a character as well as a player... Why have you praised his character? And why be surprised? If he ruthlessly got away from Liverpool for half his market value, why would he hesitate to do the same to us? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Superior Grant on May 10, 2007, 03:28:52 PM ...I'll be disappointed in him if he goes this summer, as i've always praised him as a character as well as a player... Why have you praised his character? And why be surprised? If he ruthlessly got away from Liverpool for half his market value, why would he hesitate to do the same to us? He wanted a new challenge at liverpool and had served them well. I've always thought he's a good proffesional and would want at least one good season here. As for people saying get rid of him if he's here for the money/doesnt want to be here - i dont agree. I believe he will play to the best of his ability regardless. He'll still want to uphold his reputation, and the better he does here, the better move he'll get. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Leazes1986 on May 10, 2007, 03:40:13 PM Would it not just make sense to offer him a new contract? He obviously isn't gonna sign it like but he'd have to make a decision. I'm not gonna fall for the crap he's probably gonna come out and say in a day or two about being commited to Newcastle. He's got 2 years left on his contract. Most clubs make sure their star players are tied down before they get into the last year of their contract. Should offer him an extended contract, with that clause wiped out and we'll see how committed he really is. If he says no then he can f*** right off. He would say no though, i'm almost certain. He doesn't want to be here. If you don't want to be here Michael, then we don't want you here.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 03:48:00 PM After Fred has gone and called Owen's bluff in public I full expect him to leave!
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rodhaminho on May 10, 2007, 03:51:40 PM Would it not just make sense to offer him a new contract? He obviously isn't gonna sign it like but he'd have to make a decision. I'm not gonna fall for the crap he's probably gonna come out and say in a day or two about being commited to Newcastle. He's got 2 years left on his contract. Most clubs make sure their star players are tied down before they get into the last year of their contract. Should offer him an extended contract, with that clause wiped out and we'll see how committed he really is. If he says no then he can f*** right off. He would say no though, i'm almost certain. He doesn't want to be here. If you don't want to be here Michael, then we don't want you here. This. Owen's a cracking player but we aint going sit around worrying about replacing him because he has barely played for us to replace him in the first place. I'm not Darren Bents biggest fan but for the 9m talked about he would give us more games and more productivity in games because of it. I say if Owen doesn't want to be here get rid and give the money to Big Sam WHEN he's here. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnson293 on May 10, 2007, 03:57:14 PM Would it not just make sense to offer him a new contract? He obviously isn't gonna sign it like but he'd have to make a decision. I'm not gonna fall for the crap he's probably gonna come out and say in a day or two about being commited to Newcastle. He's got 2 years left on his contract. Most clubs make sure their star players are tied down before they get into the last year of their contract. Should offer him an extended contract, with that clause wiped out and we'll see how committed he really is. If he says no then he can f*** right off. He would say no though, i'm almost certain. He doesn't want to be here. If you don't want to be here Michael, then we don't want you here. Totally agree with the above - one way to end all this speculation about clauses, and for him to show commitment (in the short-term at least) would be to offer him a contract extension, without any dubious clauses, or at least clauses that dont lose us a load of cash if/when he leaves. If he refuses to sign an extension, then sell him - it will then be clear he doesn't want to be here, regardless of how guilty he claims to be about his 16 months out injured. MJ Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dragon55544 on May 10, 2007, 03:58:37 PM If he did leave he'd have to be willing to take a big drop in wages. I just cant see any of the top 4 coming in for him, Unless you play to his strengths Owen aint all that good and i cant see the top 4 clubs buying Owen then having a team built around him.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordie Boot Boy on May 10, 2007, 03:58:49 PM He wanted a new challenge at liverpool and had served them well. I've always thought he's a good proffesional and would want at least one good season here. As for people saying get rid of him if he's here for the money/doesnt want to be here - i dont agree. I believe he will play to the best of his ability regardless. He'll still want to uphold his reputation, and the better he does here, the better move he'll get. Thing is, he strung them along making out that he was going to sign a new contract for over a year, all the while letting his current one run down. Eventually, Liverpool had to sell him for less than he was worth rather than lose him for nothing after another year. Would you do that to Newcastle? You'd at least let them get what you're worth wouldn't you? Ironically, I think it would've worked out better for him too because, if Real Madrid didn't get him so cheaply, I'd bet good money he would have played a lot more games for them (assuming they still bought him). Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NUFC06 on May 10, 2007, 04:00:37 PM I think whatever Shepherd do he will be slated after that.
Its like whatever Bramble or Carr do they will be slated after that. Its obvious that the most of the opinions on this board are not objective. Im behind Shepherd about this one. He is defending the clubs interests Its obvious that Owen is thinking about leaving the club and Shepherd is trying to express his opinion about this and also the fans opinions too. If Owen leaves he will be the biggest c*** in the world.He will show no morale,no loyalty about the club after everything we did for him. God nearly 20 thousand fans welcomed him when he sign for us.And he played only 13 games for us. Yes,the club is in big mess but there are indications that we might get better if we appoint some serious manager. If Owen is loyal person he will wait after we appoint the new boss he will see how next season will go and if we still are s*** and cant compete for the top 6 then he can go. But to leave the club in this hard times is just like the rats do when the ship is sinking. We showed him full support when he had his serious injuries,we sticked to him during this hard times for him and now he must do the same if he is man enough If he doenst then he is a c*** and Shepherd is right to be angry and to say this things in public. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 04:01:26 PM I reckon he would take a pay cutt to go back to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dragon55544 on May 10, 2007, 04:05:41 PM I reckon he would take a pay cutt to go back to Liverpool. Wasnt Rafa really pissed at Owen because when he took over he tried to speak to Owen to convince him to stay but Owen wasnt having any of it. I just cant see where Owen would fit in the Liverpool side. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 04:07:24 PM If Shevchenko goes back to Milan, I can see owen at Chelsea.
Otherwise its Manu, when they don't get Berbatov. tbh. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rob W on May 10, 2007, 04:07:46 PM If he did leave he'd have to be willing to take a big drop in wages. I just cant see any of the top 4 coming in for him, Unless you play to his strengths Owen aint all that good and i cant see the top 4 clubs buying Owen then having a team built around him. Unlike all the other world class strikers around you mean? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: thewellander on May 10, 2007, 04:08:42 PM I think whatever Shepherd do he will be slated after that. Its like whatever Bramble or Carr do they will be slated after that. Its obvious that the most of the opinions on this board are not objective. Im behind Shepherd about this one. He is defending the clubs interests Its obvious that Owen is thinking about leaving the club and Shepherd is trying to express his opinion about this and also the fans opinions too. If Owen leaves he will be the biggest c*** in the world.He will show no morale,no loyalty about the club after everything we did for him. God nearly 20 thousand fans welcomed him when he sign for us.And he played only 13 games for us. Yes,the club is in big mess but there are indications that we might get better if we appoint some serious manager. If Owen is loyal person he will wait after we appoint the new boss he will see how next season will go and if we still are s*** and cant compete for the top 6 then he can go. But to leave the club in this hard times is just like the rats do when the ship is sinking. We showed him full support when he had his serious injuries,we sticked to him during this hard times for him and now he must do the same if he is man enough If he doenst then he is a c*** and Shepherd is right to be angry and to say this things in public. I agree with everything you say except that Shepherd was right to say this in public. It's just not a good move tactically. He can feel this, and say it behind closed doors, but this is a strange move. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NUFC06 on May 10, 2007, 04:12:39 PM I think whatever Shepherd do he will be slated after that. Its like whatever Bramble or Carr do they will be slated after that. Its obvious that the most of the opinions on this board are not objective. Im behind Shepherd about this one. He is defending the clubs interests Its obvious that Owen is thinking about leaving the club and Shepherd is trying to express his opinion about this and also the fans opinions too. If Owen leaves he will be the biggest c*** in the world.He will show no morale,no loyalty about the club after everything we did for him. God nearly 20 thousand fans welcomed him when he sign for us.And he played only 13 games for us. Yes,the club is in big mess but there are indications that we might get better if we appoint some serious manager. If Owen is loyal person he will wait after we appoint the new boss he will see how next season will go and if we still are s*** and cant compete for the top 6 then he can go. But to leave the club in this hard times is just like the rats do when the ship is sinking. We showed him full support when he had his serious injuries,we sticked to him during this hard times for him and now he must do the same if he is man enough If he doenst then he is a c*** and Shepherd is right to be angry and to say this things in public. I agree with everything you say except that Shepherd was right to say this in public. It's just not a good move tactically. He can feel this, and say it behind closed doors, but this is a strange move. Maybe you are right but we dont know everything that is happening backstage. What if he said this things in the article in private to Owen and even then he begins to look for another club. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: thewellander on May 10, 2007, 04:15:48 PM Maybe you are right but we dont know everything that is happening backstage. What if he said this things in the article in private to Owen and even then he begins to look for another club. True enough. It's possible. As I said before, I don't think too highly of Owen as a person, so I don't doubt that there may be more to this than meets the eye. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gemmill on May 10, 2007, 04:22:14 PM f*** me lad, I'm not suggesting we should go out specifically looking for these players, but that's exactly what we HAVE been doing for years now. Flash the £££ at them and they will come. Do you think Damien Duff came here because he thought he could win things? You seem to think Owen should be driven to stay here by his desire to win things now too - quite the f****** opposite tbh. So what would be your strategy to break the mould? How would you go about building solid foundations? First, I would stop signing players that only come here because of our ability/willingness to offer them wages far in excess of market rate. We don't have a wage structure at NUFC. Look at the Owen deal, we got him here because we offered him astronomical wages and because (as is becoming increasingly evident), we put a clause in his contract that actually allowed him to leave FOR LESS than we paid for him. Stop for a second and think about that. We were basically acknowledging two things by doing that: firstly that we weren't an attractive option to Michael Owen as we were giving him an escape route out of the club that no player willing to come here would get in their contract. Secondly, and perhaps more damning, we were acknowledging that we had paid far in excess of his market value to get him to come here. We offered Scott Parker crazy money to get him here, we offered Damien Duff crazy money to get him here, we gave a crocked Kieron Dyer crazy money to get him to stay. Steve Sidwell is arguably better off at Reading than he would be here, but it looks to me like we've turned the lad's head, no doubt by talking about wages a good £15k in excess of his market value. Does this sound like a way of establishing the club of motivated winners that you're looking for? Doesn't sound like it to me. And yet this is what we have established ourselves as. We can't even shift some of the s**** in our squad because we're paying them far in excess of what they're worth and they know they're onto a cushy number here. You can talk about huge resources and being starved of success, but it's our misuse of those huge resources by our moron chairman which is making life far too easy for the players at the club. The top and bottom of it is this: Players don't come to Newcastle United to win things. They come to get paid. They do that at Chelsea and they finished second in the league this year, mate. You've done a brilliant job of outlining the problems, but I fail to see where you answered any of Newcastle Rocker's questions there? How can we attract top talent without splashing the cash? We can't, simple as. Big difference between us and Chelsea is that people go there to win trophies. Chelsea sign winners. The only winner we've signed in recent times we've given him a minimum fee release clause of half-price and paid him £4m + p.a. as that's the only way we could get him to come here. Not a recipe for success. As for top talent, we can attract the sort of players that are at clubs that are finishing above us. We can't compete with the top 4, but we can compete with the tier below them - we get hungry players and we keep them hungry by not paying them the ludicrous wages that we pay them here. What question was Rocker asking? As far as I recall he was bemoaning Michael Owen's ambition because he was leaving a club with "huge resources that was starved of success." As far as I'm concerned, by wanting a move, Owen is the only player here demonstrating any ambition, the rest of them are set for life and basically condemned (determined) to see their contracts out because they can't get this sort of money elsewhere. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 04:25:09 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea
Club Owner Manager Squad success Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lotus on May 10, 2007, 04:28:14 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea AstuteClub Owner Manager Squad success Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 04:28:46 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea AstuteClub Owner Manager Squad success Sorry one of those days Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NUFC06 on May 10, 2007, 04:30:58 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea Club Owner Manager Squad success true Its chain reaction tbh if you have good chairman you will have=good manager=good squad=success Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnson293 on May 10, 2007, 04:34:38 PM https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6641411.stm
The report on the BBC Sport website includes the following... Quote Owen and his representatives have not responded to Shepherd's outburst but BBC Radio Five Live reporter Alistair Bruce-Ball understands the England striker wants to stay at St James' Park. "My understanding is the Owen camp claim they are not responsible for these stories," said Bruce-Ball. "Their position is that Owen has a contract with Newcastle and he does clearly feel this loyalty towards the club and its fans because they have seen so little of him on the pitch. "I'm told the identity of new manager - predicted to be Sam Allardyce - would have no impact on his decision." Owen arrived at St James' Park in 2005 but played only 11 games in his first season before breaking a bone in his foot. If this is the case, there should be no problem with a statement from the 'Owen Camp' soon, then? MJ Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 04:39:59 PM https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6641411.stm Until Owen reads this thread!The report on the BBC Sport website includes the following... Quote Owen and his representatives have not responded to Shepherd's outburst but BBC Radio Five Live reporter Alistair Bruce-Ball understands the England striker wants to stay at St James' Park. "My understanding is the Owen camp claim they are not responsible for these stories," said Bruce-Ball. "Their position is that Owen has a contract with Newcastle and he does clearly feel this loyalty towards the club and its fans because they have seen so little of him on the pitch. "I'm told the identity of new manager - predicted to be Sam Allardyce - would have no impact on his decision." Owen arrived at St James' Park in 2005 but played only 11 games in his first season before breaking a bone in his foot. If this is the case, there should be no problem with a statement from the 'Owen Camp' soon, then? MJ Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lotus on May 10, 2007, 04:48:03 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea AstuteClub Owner Manager Squad success Sorry one of those days Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Skirge on May 10, 2007, 04:50:03 PM There are four major differences between us and Chelsea AstuteClub Owner Manager Squad success Sorry one of those days Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Superior Grant on May 10, 2007, 05:22:59 PM Would it not just make sense to offer him a new contract? He obviously isn't gonna sign it like but he'd have to make a decision. I'm not gonna fall for the crap he's probably gonna come out and say in a day or two about being commited to Newcastle. He's got 2 years left on his contract. Most clubs make sure their star players are tied down before they get into the last year of their contract. Should offer him an extended contract, with that clause wiped out and we'll see how committed he really is. If he says no then he can f*** right off. He would say no though, i'm almost certain. He doesn't want to be here. If you don't want to be here Michael, then we don't want you here. Dunno about that like. I don't think a player should have to pledge the rest of his career to us for us to keep him. Loads of players wouldnt sign new contracts, even if they felt at the time they'd stay, they dont know what will happen. Before people rip owen too, we dont know for sure he had anything to do with this. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 05:25:13 PM Quote from: the Fiver Back in February 2005, when Michael Owen was picking splinters out of his XXXXXXS-sized shorts on the Madrid bench, an acquaintance of the Fiver asked him about the rumours linking him with Newcastle. Owen's response? A gale of laughter that suggested he wouldn't sign for the Magpies if they were the last team on earth. Six months later, having been rejected by Liverpool, the Rowdies, The Fiver's five-a-side team and Jossy's Giants Second XI, Owen decided to go to St James' Park after all - where, famously, he was greeted by 50,000 unemployed Geordies and Sky Sports News host Jim "You've done so much in football but this must be one of your proudest moments" White. Now, 20 months and just 13 Premiership matches later, Owen - according to reports in tomorrow's fish 'n' chip paper - desperately wants out of Toon. "But he has a four-year contract!" the Fiver hears you cry. Indeed he does. But he also has a £9m get-out clause, which would allow him to leave for £7m less than brilliant businessman Fat Freddy Shepherd paid for him. No wonder, then, that the Newcastle chairman is - like that time he was Jacuzziing in a Marbella knocking shop - playing hardball. "Michael has two choices: he can come out and tell our fans that he is happy here. Or I tell him none of the big four are interested. Because that's the case," gruffed Fat Freddy today. And before the Fiver could point out that was just one choice, Freddy was off again. "These suggestions will not impress our fans after what has happened in the last couple of years!" he continued, alluding - no doubt - to the failures of Graeme Souness and Glenn Roeder, both appointed by Mr F Shepherd, Newcastle. Owen's agent was unavailable for comment, but Shepherd is clear where the reports have come from. "[This] was a very thinly-disguised attempt to flog Owen from under our feet, sourced very close to the player or those who look after him," he thundered, his chins quivering while the rest of his face turned an ugly mix of black and white. "The loyalty this club has shown him, when he had injury problems in his first season and had missed virtually all of this season, deserves something in return. No one, least of all one of the biggest clubs, is likely to take a risk at this stage." Maybe. Maybe not. But if he is available for £9m, what's the betting Freddy has got it wrong again? The Guardian's take on the f****** comedy our club and chairman seem only happy to constantly provide. :buck2: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 10:22:26 PM has anyone seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWx5RK1G9c0 :jesuswept: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 10, 2007, 10:25:11 PM has anyone seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWx5RK1G9c0 :jesuswept: :lol: That'll be pulled in no time i'd imagine. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: JamesD on May 10, 2007, 10:29:43 PM favorite quote from that; 'Yeahhhhhhhhhh!"
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Gallowgate Toon on May 10, 2007, 10:33:08 PM What an idiot ffs is, can he not see the camera. Something tells me that he doesnt like Owens agent.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 10:46:02 PM Thats gold tbh
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Leazes1986 on May 10, 2007, 10:46:25 PM :lol:
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 10:46:39 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Greg on May 10, 2007, 10:47:01 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. sad c***s Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Big Geordie on May 10, 2007, 10:48:53 PM has anyone seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWx5RK1G9c0 :jesuswept: Interesting to say the least. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Leazes1986 on May 10, 2007, 10:49:56 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. Wheres the 20 minute version? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 10:51:00 PM www.livevideo.com/koptalkcom
max and paddy's search for owen Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 10, 2007, 10:51:16 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. Are they supposed to be liverpool fans? And if so, are you surprised they aren't scouse?? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 10:51:24 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. Wheres the 20 minute version? Nar mate, don't bother. Some pseudo-smog-york twats driving around, give it a miss. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 10, 2007, 10:52:44 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. Are they supposed to be liverpool fans? And if so, are you surprised they aren't scouse?? the scouse support everton man Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rodhaminho on May 10, 2007, 10:54:40 PM Thats class. Fred came across canny well in that TBF. Looks like he aint happy about his agent like.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Big Geordie on May 10, 2007, 10:54:50 PM There's a 20minute version ? Did they follow him up to his door in Jesmond ?!
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Rodhaminho on May 10, 2007, 10:57:00 PM I'm suprised that hasn't made the news like. Is it just me or did Fred imply that he wanted to carry Owen back to liverpool?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 10, 2007, 11:05:33 PM I'm suprised that hasn't made the news like. Is it just me or did Fred imply that he wanted to carry Owen back to liverpool? He was joking, like. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Belfast Boy on May 10, 2007, 11:07:00 PM Joke with a jag as they say over here.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: bobyule on May 10, 2007, 11:07:31 PM 'Michael's a decent lad. It's his agent.'
f****** hell, Freddie. It's an agent's job to do the player's dirty work for him. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 10, 2007, 11:07:35 PM I'm suprised that hasn't made the news like. Is it just me or did Fred imply that he wanted to carry Owen back to liverpool? The when asked if he could leave for 9 million he simple said "No". Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: sicko2ndbest on May 10, 2007, 11:08:48 PM Thats class, should have asked him about Sam
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CoachHTT on May 10, 2007, 11:09:37 PM What a cretin that man is, embarrassing.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 10, 2007, 11:10:35 PM What a cretin that man is, embarrassing. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 10, 2007, 11:11:54 PM What a cretin that man is, embarrassing. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 10, 2007, 11:12:22 PM What a cretin that man is, embarrassing. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh You're a good lad rocker, shame your agent is a tit. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: sicko2ndbest on May 10, 2007, 11:22:01 PM One positive out of it, he didnt look like a bloke who was struggling to appoint a manager
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: stozo on May 10, 2007, 11:22:37 PM Great video. :lol:
On a serious note does nobody find it weird that they were able to just walk into our training ground and have a look around. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: mugcheese on May 10, 2007, 11:28:34 PM lol he goes to say more about Owen's agent then realizes what he's doing
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mike on May 10, 2007, 11:32:20 PM He comes off as the kind of guy you'd like if you were co-workers, but you'd go f****** mad if he were your boss.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 10, 2007, 11:33:57 PM What a pile of s*** that 20 min video is.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: robster on May 10, 2007, 11:37:13 PM I think whatever Shepherd do he will be slated after that. Its like whatever Bramble or Carr do they will be slated after that. Its obvious that the most of the opinions on this board are not objective. Im behind Shepherd about this one. He is defending the clubs interests Its obvious that Owen is thinking about leaving the club and Shepherd is trying to express his opinion about this and also the fans opinions too. If Owen leaves he will be the biggest c*** in the world.He will show no morale,no loyalty about the club after everything we did for him. God nearly 20 thousand fans welcomed him when he sign for us.And he played only 13 games for us. Yes,the club is in big mess but there are indications that we might get better if we appoint some serious manager. If Owen is loyal person he will wait after we appoint the new boss he will see how next season will go and if we still are s*** and cant compete for the top 6 then he can go. But to leave the club in this hard times is just like the rats do when the ship is sinking. We showed him full support when he had his serious injuries,we sticked to him during this hard times for him and now he must do the same if he is man enough If he doenst then he is a c*** and Shepherd is right to be angry and to say this things in public. you said it right there. Its because FFS has come out now, before anything has happened, that is causing the problem. If he came out with some outburst after he has gone fair enough but to do it now is just plaint thick. From what I can see, its all just typical tabloid speculation about Owen and if FFS wanted to know whats going on he should get him up to his office and talk to him face to face.... not via the papers Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BottledDog on May 10, 2007, 11:45:55 PM :lol: Gerld.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dinho lad on May 11, 2007, 12:09:23 AM What a pile of s*** that 20 min video is. Nothing interesting to see? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: MrSundlofer on May 11, 2007, 12:39:54 AM What a pile of s*** that 20 min video is. Nothing interesting to see? They drive a car and listen to music in ugly shirts. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: ChezGiven on May 11, 2007, 12:44:44 AM The carry him back to anfield comment is just the frustration any employer would express having seen the biggest investment of his career get two ridiculous injuries that has basically rendered that investment useless.
As NSG pointed out, he says 'no' to the 9m clause quite naturally. Agents are f****** c***s, we all know that. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Bramble OG on May 11, 2007, 12:57:43 AM Like the way they just drive a huge white van around the training ground without being questioned. Pair of sad idiots but seem ideal if your needing anyone stalked
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on May 11, 2007, 01:35:44 AM Freddy comes off really well in that vid on the main site imo.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: OzzieMandias on May 11, 2007, 02:34:29 AM Quote Owen put on the spot as Newcastle lose patience Name the last three players Newcastle United signed from Spain? That was a question doing the rounds at St James' Park yesterday and it says something about Michael Owen's current status within the club that the answer is: Marcelino, Albert Luque and Owen. There may have been an element of humour involved but to be grouped together with such expensive flops whom the club could not and cannot wait to see depart reveals the level of Owen's standing. That was confirmed by the chairman Freddy Shepherd's words on Wednesday regarding Owen's perceived lack of commitment to Newcastle, which were so strong they bear repetition. "I'm telling Michael he has two choices," Shepherd said. "He either comes out and tells our fans, who have taken him to their hearts, that he is happy here or I tell him that not one of the big four clubs, Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool, are interested in him." Owen and his advisors had been offered the opportunity to speak of Owen's commitment publicly but he declined, which incensed the Newcastle chairman and leaves question marks over Owen's future at the club. Owen was at Chester races on Wednesday afternoon as Shepherd considered the predicament (Sam Allardyce was there yesterday). Owen had zipped out of Newcastle's training ground in the morning to get to his native North-west and it was not lost on Newcastle officials that on the last day of March, when Newcastle lost at home to Manchester City, Owen was in Dubai again watching horse racing. These are not details that sit easily with the club so, while the rift seems sudden, it has been brewing. All season Shepherd has been in dispute with the Football Association over compensation for Owen's World Cup injury and the suspicion remains within St James' that Owen's knee gave way in Germany because he rushed back from a previous injury to play for England. Such distrust takes getting over but, if a period of calm breaks out at Newcastle in the coming days, it may be recalled that Owen's non-availability has been as important a factor as his transparent ambition in contributing to where the two parties are today. He has not seen what Newcastle can give him and vice versa. But calm is not guaranteed; in fact the potential for friction has been in the air almost since the day Owen moved from Real Madrid in August 2005. To go back, this was a compromise arrangement. Owen wanted out of Spain after a difficult year at the Bernabéu; Newcastle, having allowed Graeme Souness to force out Craig Bellamy and having not scored in their opening four games of the season, wanted a partner for Alan Shearer in Shearer's farewell season. Shearer, friend, colleague and mentor to Owen, was fundamental to the deal. Shearer and Owen also share an agent. But even Shearer was not as important as money. Liverpool were also interested in bringing Owen back to England but for a valuation as close as possible to the £7m they sold him for. The £17.5m Newcastle slapped on Madrid's table ended that and set in train a transfer that ended with Owen talking of a "spinning head," as 20,000 Geordies greeted him in the sunshine at St James'. The scale of the transfer, Newcastle's record, and the clauses Owen's people were able to negotiate, may have smacked of the club's desperation, but the 20,000 told a story of sincere welcome and affection. There is a view, inside and outside St James', that Owen has not reciprocated the goodwill, taking £115,000 per week while backing out of the door. "Michael is an honest man and Liverpool were his first choice," Souness was to explain in the days before Owen returned to Anfield for the first time, four months into his Newcastle career. But Newcastle's self-esteem is hurt. Tyneside and beyond awaits comment from the 27-year-old with two years left on his contract. Owen may take the opportunity to remind Newcastle that he thinks like a hired hand, not like a Geordie diehard and that the club agreed the get-out clauses. He could also point out that Newcastle are about to employ their third manager in his 21 months. He could ask Shepherd to look around the dressing room and dare him to declare that this group has been assembled with tactical foresight. Owen could, moreover, ask these questions just a few weeks after becoming the face of Newcastle's latest publicity campaign: "Buy The Shirt, Live The Dream". https://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2077408,00.html Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CaliMag on May 11, 2007, 02:56:36 AM Freddie Shepherd once again shows increadibly poor judgement with this latest debacle. If Shepherd agreed to the get out clause in the first place then he needs to take it like a grown up and admit that his gamble has failed and that Owen leaving in these uncertain times is understandable if totally unpalateable.
Owen will leave and Shepherd will have pushed him by showing the amateurish way our club is run. Pathetic. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on May 11, 2007, 02:59:32 AM That's a bif if
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CaliMag on May 11, 2007, 03:02:07 AM That's a bif if Nice to see you back AS9. Back from University then? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on May 11, 2007, 03:03:39 AM Not quite just been on a library binge doing all my work the day before it's due. However adding to this thread you have to remember at the moment it's pure speculation about the £9 mill clause.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnnypd on May 11, 2007, 03:33:09 AM "The £17.5m Newcastle slapped on Madrid's table ended that "
it's up to £17.5m now! it'll be £18m by the end of the month. if the papers don't know that the fee was £16m, a fact they could easily look up in 5 mins, then i doubt the rest is accurate, Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: OzzieMandias on May 11, 2007, 04:43:03 AM "The £17.5m Newcastle slapped on Madrid's table ended that " it's up to £17.5m now! it'll be £18m by the end of the month. if the papers don't know that the fee was £16m, a fact they could easily look up in 5 mins, then i doubt the rest is accurate, Well, where's the authoritative source of that? The place you could look it up in five minutes? nufc.com have it listed as £17 million. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: sharath on May 11, 2007, 05:16:59 AM https://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007210735,00.html
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnnypd on May 11, 2007, 05:39:19 AM "The £17.5m Newcastle slapped on Madrid's table ended that " it's up to £17.5m now! it'll be £18m by the end of the month. if the papers don't know that the fee was £16m, a fact they could easily look up in 5 mins, then i doubt the rest is accurate, Well, where's the authoritative source of that? The place you could look it up in five minutes? nufc.com have it listed as £17 million. the official announcement to the stock exchange. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: OzzieMandias on May 11, 2007, 05:46:02 AM Got a link?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnnypd on May 11, 2007, 06:15:22 AM https://www.londonstockexchange.com/LSECWS/IFSPages/MarketNewsPopup.aspx?id=1060230&source=RNS
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: eyeball_tickler on May 11, 2007, 07:19:28 AM www.livevideo.com/koptalkcom max and paddy's search for owen you've gotta love the 30 stone t*** saying he's going to "work on his image" Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 11, 2007, 07:43:58 AM I think whatever Shepherd do he will be slated after that. Its like whatever Bramble or Carr do they will be slated after that. Its obvious that the most of the opinions on this board are not objective. Im behind Shepherd about this one. He is defending the clubs interests Its obvious that Owen is thinking about leaving the club and Shepherd is trying to express his opinion about this and also the fans opinions too. If Owen leaves he will be the biggest c*** in the world.He will show no morale,no loyalty about the club after everything we did for him. God nearly 20 thousand fans welcomed him when he sign for us.And he played only 13 games for us. Yes,the club is in big mess but there are indications that we might get better if we appoint some serious manager. If Owen is loyal person he will wait after we appoint the new boss he will see how next season will go and if we still are s*** and cant compete for the top 6 then he can go. But to leave the club in this hard times is just like the rats do when the ship is sinking. We showed him full support when he had his serious injuries,we sticked to him during this hard times for him and now he must do the same if he is man enough If he doenst then he is a c*** and Shepherd is right to be angry and to say this things in public. Because wht they do is almost universally s****. Title: Video on main page Post by: DavB93 on May 11, 2007, 08:33:51 AM Hi everyone,
I don't have sound on my PC at the moment (in process of fixing it) so could somebody give me a quick overview of what is said by Freddy on the You Tube preview. Title: Re: Video on main page Post by: Unlucky Luque on May 11, 2007, 08:36:28 AM Owen's a good lad and wouldnt go for £9m
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 08:50:47 AM https://www.londonstockexchange.com/LSECWS/IFSPages/MarketNewsPopup.aspx?id=1060230&source=RNS I gave up trying to correct people on this months ago. I reckon it's just easier to believe what the papers say. Title: Re: Video on main page Post by: junkhead on May 11, 2007, 09:08:46 AM i love the 'YEAAAH' part at the end..
Title: Freddy Video Post by: marky555 on May 11, 2007, 11:14:13 AM Has everyone seen the Freddy Shephard video on the main page of this site?
Title: Re: Freddy Video Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 11:14:40 AM Yes, they have.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: melanchronic on May 11, 2007, 11:27:24 AM Thats class. Fred came across canny well in that TBF. Looks like he aint happy about his agent like. Agreed. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnson293 on May 11, 2007, 11:28:52 AM Yes, they have. I wonder of the media will pick up on this video clip - especially the bit when asked if he (owen) can leave for £9m, he replies "Nah". Then, if Owen does leave for that figure, it could come back to haunt him, and ultimately be his downfall. The video last year of Alan Shearer being filmed singing in his car was mentioned in the Chronicle at least, so this one may also. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: davy_fulla on May 11, 2007, 12:02:05 PM the 20 minute version is painful. theyre not even scouse. Boring as f*** wasn't it. The bit where they walked past the old ticket office pissed me off a bit. 'Haha look the ticket office is closed!' Of course it is you mongs, for one the season finishes at the weekend and for a second its moved round the corner. If you're gonna plan 1 of these zany roadtrips again please try to make it funny the next time. The only thing they've achieved is making Freddy to look like a half-decent bloke. </preparing to be shot down in flames icon> Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: donmaths on May 11, 2007, 12:46:49 PM The fat bloke in that video (not Shepherd) is a self proclaimed Liverpool fan although he says he is a Geordie and has admitted that he is a Newcastle season ticket holder. He doesnt go Liverpool matches. He is universally despised by all the Liverpool sites. He is a con artist and cybersquats other Liverpool forums. There is an entire blog devoted to expose him. https://koptalkinsider.wordpress.com/ I dont think he is a newcastle fan too. He is just a fraud. He set up a Spurs site and Toon site to con other fans but it didnt work out. So please dont consider him as a Liverpool fan. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: ChezGiven on May 11, 2007, 12:50:22 PM :cheesy:
https://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_headline=shepherd-in-internet-prank%26method=full%26objectid=19088148%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Scott Parker's 60's Haircut on May 11, 2007, 12:57:12 PM :cheesy: https://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_headline=shepherd-in-internet-prank%26method=full%26objectid=19088148%26siteid=50081-name_page.html He's made F365 Mediawatch as well Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: davy_fulla on May 11, 2007, 02:04:52 PM :cheesy: https://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_headline=shepherd-in-internet-prank%26method=full%26objectid=19088148%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Good old Journal talking crap again saying how the clip has already had 'thouands' of views on YouTube. Two minutes ago the view count stood at 408 ! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Ridzuan on May 11, 2007, 02:05:33 PM I think Freddy must have drink a lot in the morning.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Ridzuan on May 11, 2007, 02:07:47 PM :cheesy: https://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_headline=shepherd-in-internet-prank%26method=full%26objectid=19088148%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Good old Journal talking crap again saying how the clip has already had 'thouands' of views on YouTube. Two minutes ago the view count stood at 408 ! I believe it is 4000+ views now? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: davy_fulla on May 11, 2007, 02:26:40 PM :cheesy: https://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/newcastleunited/journalsport/tm_headline=shepherd-in-internet-prank%26method=full%26objectid=19088148%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Good old Journal talking crap again saying how the clip has already had 'thouands' of views on YouTube. Two minutes ago the view count stood at 408 ! I believe it is 4000+ views now? Fair point, good old Davy talking s**** again then. When you access the clip it says 4,000 plus but it says 408 when it first comes up in the search. I'm blaming YouTube :) Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 11, 2007, 03:17:18 PM Following the internet broadcast of a video clip containing footage of Newcastle United chairman Freddy Shepherd, the club has issued the following response:
Anyone who has seen this video clip will immediately regard it for exactly what it is. It's nothing more than tongue-in-cheek banter in the most light-hearted fashion that nobody could take remotely seriously or try to misinterpret. The chairman shows just how approachable he is by having a laugh with a couple of football fans, and Geordies and Liverpool supporters are world renowned for enjoying a joke and sharing a sense of humour after all. :lol: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: johnson293 on May 11, 2007, 03:21:53 PM Following the internet broadcast of a video clip containing footage of Newcastle United chairman Freddy Shepherd, the club has issued the following response: Anyone who has seen this video clip will immediately regard it for exactly what it is. It's nothing more than tongue-in-cheek banter in the most light-hearted fashion that nobody could take remotely seriously or try to misinterpret. The chairman shows just how approachable he is by having a laugh with a couple of football fans, and Geordies and Liverpool supporters are world renowned for enjoying a joke and sharing a sense of humour after all. :lol: Ah, So Owen CAN go for £9m then??????? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 03:45:01 PM The audio was on Five Live at 3.30pm under the story 'Freddy Shepherd has been involved in new controversy regarding the future of Michael Owen'. You'll never guess what, yes that's right, they only play the bit where he says he'll carry him there. :rolleyes:
Title: Chairman Of NUFC PLC Digs himself Out The s***. Post by: Crumpy Gunt on May 11, 2007, 04:04:22 PM https://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1024190,00.html
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 11, 2007, 04:05:29 PM https://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1024190,00.html Look 3 posts up! ;) Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: melanchronic on May 11, 2007, 04:07:03 PM Following the internet broadcast of a video clip containing footage of Newcastle United chairman Freddy Shepherd, the club has issued the following response: Anyone who has seen this video clip will immediately regard it for exactly what it is. It's nothing more than tongue-in-cheek banter in the most light-hearted fashion that nobody could take remotely seriously or try to misinterpret. The chairman shows just how approachable he is by having a laugh with a couple of football fans, and Geordies and Liverpool supporters are world renowned for enjoying a joke and sharing a sense of humour after all. :lol: What a joke this club is. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 04:08:07 PM He's only issued that as the media are sensationalising it to f***, like.
Still, :blush: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 11, 2007, 04:11:56 PM rode past freds car today, looks like its been done over with a kitchen knife, loads of writing scratched into it
"wrong" was the only word i could make out on the way past. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 04:15:27 PM rode past freds car today, looks like its been done over with a kitchen knife, loads of writing scratched into it "wrong" was the only word i could make out on the way past. I detest vandalism, particularly on peoples cars, but that post just made me laugh. :lol: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Belfast Boy on May 11, 2007, 04:16:40 PM Do we have a press officer or PR guy? Must be the hardest job in the world trying to rectify some of the stuff Freddy comes out with.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Toon's Taylor on May 11, 2007, 04:17:10 PM Think i saw his missus as the Silverlink the other day driving a Silver sports Bentley, plate: 1 FS.
Hope its not that car. :weep: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 11, 2007, 04:29:11 PM nah it was the Range Rover from that video
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 04:34:27 PM What a joke this club is. I'm just waiting for somebody to say we're not, then you'll be asked if everybody was laughing the last time we were on TV playing in Europe. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Big Sam on May 11, 2007, 04:34:50 PM embarssing as f*** that
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 11, 2007, 04:35:01 PM f****** hell Mick, put your fishing rod away. :lol:
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 04:39:57 PM f****** hell Mick, put your fishing rod away. :lol: :cheesy: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordiesned on May 11, 2007, 05:46:44 PM On the 20 minute version they're singing "we only drink whisky and bottles of brown". Erm, why?
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 05:48:03 PM On the 20 minute version they're singing "we only drink whisky and bottles of brown". Erm, why? I haven't seen it but I can guess they don't know the words to the song. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CoachHTT on May 11, 2007, 05:51:45 PM You can now see why he was caught with his trousers down in Spain by the NOTW...
I fail to see how anyone can view that video in any other light than embarrassing and unprofessional. This isn't Freddy Shepherd local cafe owner, this is Freddy Shepherd chairman and major shareholder of a PLC company basically making an utter tit of himself and by extention our club... again. If I was Owen watching that I'd be instructing my agents to "get me the f*** away from here". Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordiesned on May 11, 2007, 05:55:14 PM On the 20 minute version they're singing "we only drink whisky and bottles of brown". Erm, why? I haven't seen it but I can guess they don't know the words to the song. No, it's a tape they've got on in the van. A Scouse version of "Geordies - cock of the north" but they talk about drining bottles of brown! I actually recognise the lad in the Liverpool strip but I'm trying to remember where from! Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 05:57:59 PM You can now see why he was caught with his trousers down in Spain by the NOTW... I fail to see how anyone can view that video in any other light than embarrassing and unprofessional. This isn't Freddy Shepherd local cafe owner, this is Freddy Shepherd chairman and major shareholder of a PLC company basically making an utter tit of himself and by extention our club... again. If I was Owen watching that I'd be instructing my agents to "get me the f*** away from here". I'm not really commenting on this video as I haven't got access to it but if Owen wanted an excuse to leave Newcastle, I think we've handed it to him on a plate this last few days, as you say, its very unprofessional. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 11, 2007, 05:59:08 PM I actually recognise the lad in the Liverpool strip but I'm trying to remember where from! i was sure it was NSG... Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 05:59:19 PM No, it's a tape they've got on in the van. A Scouse version of "Geordies - cock of the north" but they talk about drining bottles of brown! I actually recognise the lad in the Liverpool strip but I'm trying to remember where from! Not guilty, I hope somebody has ripped it so that I can see it in a couple of weeks. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NSG on May 11, 2007, 06:01:04 PM I actually recognise the lad in the Liverpool strip but I'm trying to remember where from! i was sure it was NSG... Why? Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 11, 2007, 06:01:58 PM I actually recognise the lad in the Liverpool strip but I'm trying to remember where from! i was sure it was NSG... Why? beecoz he lux lyke what ye do n that lyke from what ive seen of your sky sports screen grabs n that lyk Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: gray on May 11, 2007, 06:02:41 PM same ears anyway
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CoachHTT on May 11, 2007, 06:03:44 PM You can now see why he was caught with his trousers down in Spain by the NOTW... I fail to see how anyone can view that video in any other light than embarrassing and unprofessional. This isn't Freddy Shepherd local cafe owner, this is Freddy Shepherd chairman and major shareholder of a PLC company basically making an utter tit of himself and by extention our club... again. If I was Owen watching that I'd be instructing my agents to "get me the f*** away from here". I'm not really commenting on this video as I haven't got access to it but if Owen wanted an excuse to leave Newcastle, I think we've handed it to him on a plate this last few days, as you say, its very unprofessional. Oh aye, agree fully. Wouldn't blame him if he left, although I think he'd be a prick if he did and would expect him to give us at least a year. People may say he doesn't owe us, true, but while we were daft enough to buy him he was daft enough to sign for us so this is a two way thing here. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Lagerstedt on May 11, 2007, 06:06:25 PM What I find interesting as well as funny it's that the driver's even more of a fatty than Freddy, which is an achievement itself
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 11, 2007, 06:07:49 PM Oh aye, agree fully. Wouldn't blame him if he left, although I think he'd be a prick if he did and would expect him to give us at least a year. People may say he doesn't owe us, true, but while we were daft enough to buy him he was daft enough to sign for us so this is a two way thing here. If the chairman of my company spoke about me the way Freddy has talked about Owen then I'd do everything within my powers to get away. What has been reported is in the public domain is pathetic and should never have been reported as coming straight from Shepherds mouth, put yourself in his position and think what you would do. I'm 95% sure you'd be on your bike, even if you're not. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: koven on May 11, 2007, 06:31:32 PM It's good to see Freddy having a laugh like.
20 minute was a bit boring though. Why are they letting us drive around the training ground? Err, probably because no-one was there? Who gives a **** if you drive through the car park lol. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CoachHTT on May 11, 2007, 06:37:33 PM Oh aye, agree fully. Wouldn't blame him if he left, although I think he'd be a prick if he did and would expect him to give us at least a year. People may say he doesn't owe us, true, but while we were daft enough to buy him he was daft enough to sign for us so this is a two way thing here. If the chairman of my company spoke about me the way Freddy has talked about Owen then I'd do everything within my powers to get away. What has been reported is in the public domain is pathetic and should never have been reported as coming straight from Shepherds mouth, put yourself in his position and think what you would do. I'm 95% sure you'd be on your bike, even if you're not. Depends Mick, I'd like to think I'm a decent person and would give the club the benefit of the doubt for the time being and at least score a few goals for the fans if no-one else, safe in the knowledge that should I, my stock will only rise more and may even help me secure a better move thereafter. If he did leave though I wouldn't blame him one bit and would understand perfectly well if that did happen, wouldn't stop me from thinking he's a prick though given the money he's picked up here for doing f*** all and how we've aided his recovery. I'd be pissed off in that sense. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: wibble on May 11, 2007, 06:43:08 PM I'm in the minority I know, but...I found it quite funny.
A different side of the glum fat bloke we normally see at the matches. He's chatty, has a joke with the two Scouse loons and lets loose at Owen's agent. I'm not a fat Fred fan at all, but he's actually gone up in my estimation with this clip. Now we just need a couple of enterprising Toon fans armed with a camcorder/baseball bat to ambush Owen's agent... Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Willow the Wisp on May 11, 2007, 10:06:24 PM I'm sure miseries on the board will be picking at the bad points of this video but.....I found it funny.
A sense of humour about the situation and some answers in a way, good on ya fred :laugh2: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Aphrodite on May 11, 2007, 10:57:06 PM Fair play to Fred, if those two were in a car next to me, I'd go through the red light!
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: BooBoo on May 11, 2007, 11:21:55 PM I'm beginning to think more and more that it would be better if the little twerp just packed his bags and left.
1. Its unlikely he really wants to be here. Sven told the Fake Sheik ( bluelaugh.gif) that Owen wasnt happy with NUFC but was loving the money. 2. The money we receive could help an incoming manager restructure his side. 3. Would save a huge wedge on wages that we probably cant afford. 4. I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together. 5. Remains to be seen whether he's the same player after nearly two years on the sick bed. 6. IF he stays, its likely to be only for another year, so hardly part of the managers long term plans. 7. Very prone to picking up niggles that keep him out for 2-3 weeks at a time. Owen is unquestionably a good player, but we are about to enter a new era and the playing staff need a radical overhauling. I just cant see the point keeping someone who's probably got an eye on bigger things and until he's sold it will be a constant tale in the press of Club X or Y wanting to buy him. He was a reckless gamble that sadly hasnt worked and I think it will be in our best long term interests if we just took the money and ran. Fingers burnt once more. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 11, 2007, 11:24:25 PM I'm beginning to think more and more that it would be better if the little twerp just packed his bags and left. 1. Its unlikely he really wants to be here. Sven told the Fake Sheik ( bluelaugh.gif) that Owen wasnt happy with NUFC but was loving the money. 2. The money we receive could help an incoming manager restructure his side. 3. Would save a huge wedge on wages that we probably cant afford. 4. I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together. 5. Remains to be seen whether he's the same player after nearly two years on the sick bed. 6. IF he stays, its likely to be only for another year, so hardly part of the managers long term plans. 7. Very prone to picking up niggles that keep him out for 2-3 weeks at a time. Owen is unquestionably a good player, but we are about to enter a new era and the playing staff need a radical overhauling. I just cant see the point keeping someone who's probably got an eye on bigger things and until he's sold it will be a constant tale in the press of Club X or Y wanting to buy him. He was a reckless gamble that sadly hasnt worked and I think it will be in our best long term interests if we just took the money and ran. Fingers burnt once more. Thats exactly how I feel. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: CoachHTT on May 11, 2007, 11:25:45 PM He should never have been signed in the first place, a few of us were ripped into for suggesting it at the time and while this isn't a "told you so" I think a fair few were blown away by the whole transfer and got all giddy because we signed Michael Owen, none more so than the Fat Man.
If a release clause does exist or a European football one, this just shows you how delusional FS is, in Freddy's world, NUFC will always qualify for Europe and no player wants to leave the Toon. Mind, we shouldn't be surprised, this is the man that thought Graeme Souness would be a hit here. I'd sell Owen like, I think we may not have a choice now, what a joke. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Northern Monkey on May 11, 2007, 11:28:50 PM I'm beginning to think more and more that it would be better if the little twerp just packed his bags and left. 1. Its unlikely he really wants to be here. Sven told the Fake Sheik ( bluelaugh.gif) that Owen wasnt happy with NUFC but was loving the money. 2. The money we receive could help an incoming manager restructure his side. 3. Would save a huge wedge on wages that we probably cant afford. 4. I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together. 5. Remains to be seen whether he's the same player after nearly two years on the sick bed. 6. IF he stays, its likely to be only for another year, so hardly part of the managers long term plans. 7. Very prone to picking up niggles that keep him out for 2-3 weeks at a time. Owen is unquestionably a good player, but we are about to enter a new era and the playing staff need a radical overhauling. I just cant see the point keeping someone who's probably got an eye on bigger things and until he's sold it will be a constant tale in the press of Club X or Y wanting to buy him. He was a reckless gamble that sadly hasnt worked and I think it will be in our best long term interests if we just took the money and ran. Fingers burnt once more. Thats exactly how I feel. Much as he is, by a country mile, the best of the (two) Premiership strikers we have, he has to go, like. If he doesn't, he'll be a weight hanging around the next managers neck, unable to build a team around him cos he's bound to go at some point, unable to give him what he wants (we can't turn into a big club and won't be challenging for a CL place for the foreseeable), waiting to be dropped in it. And we'll get less than £9m next summer. f***. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Mick on May 12, 2007, 12:41:23 AM He should never have been signed in the first place, a few of us were ripped into for suggesting it at the time and while this isn't a "told you so" I think a fair few were blown away by the whole transfer and got all giddy because we signed Michael Owen, none more so than the Fat Man. If a release clause does exist or a European football one, this just shows you how delusional FS is, in Freddy's world, NUFC will always qualify for Europe and no player wants to leave the Toon. Mind, we shouldn't be surprised, this is the man that thought Graeme Souness would be a hit here. I'd sell Owen like, I think we may not have a choice now, what a joke. I was one of them who thought that it was a poor signing due to us putting so much money into a player with a poor injury record but I think him going now will do us no good at all because of the message it will give out to others. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on May 12, 2007, 01:20:05 AM "I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together."
Who can Oba play with? The guy is a livewire, brilliant one game and then absolute turd for 2. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Hibbits left foot on May 12, 2007, 11:01:26 AM If Owen or any other player doesnt want to play for NUFC they can all f*** off , we want committment , the silence from Owen at the moment is deafening , get rid and buy someone to complement Obi Wan, f*** trophy players we dont need em...
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NewcastleRocker on May 12, 2007, 11:03:58 AM "I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together." Who can Oba play with? The guy is a livewire, brilliant one game and then absolute turd for 2. Maybe thats because his regular partner was Sibierski and Dyer. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Dave on May 12, 2007, 03:28:58 PM https://koptalkinsider.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/oldhams-shepherd-video-stunt-backfires/
:lol: Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Geordiesned on May 12, 2007, 05:26:14 PM https://koptalkinsider.wordpress.com/2007/05/11/oldhams-shepherd-video-stunt-backfires/ :lol: More fool anyone who's paid a subscription to join a fans forum tbh. Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: NE5 on May 20, 2007, 07:23:17 PM "I have read what Mr Shepherd as said. He is absolutely right in saying I want to play for a top 4 side. This why I joined this club. The chairman told me that he saw this club as being one that would compete at the highest level, that is what I want, that is what the fans want. By the start of next season I will be playing for my third different Newcastle manager. It is up to the chairman to get it right this time. He should be appointing someone that will make this place a place that is in the CL every year. That is his job, he does nothing else that I can see, he just appoints the best person to take us all forward. If the chairman keeps making the sort of appointments that allow this club to finish below Boro, Villa, Blackburn, Reading and Bolton then he will never attract the players I think are needed to get to the top 4. I want to end my career at Newcastle, in a trophy-winning side. The chairman's actions show to everyone he has little idea of how let me do this." !!!!!!!!!!! hhmm. thought you said we shouldn't be spending any money Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: Big TRon on May 20, 2007, 10:50:57 PM As I said elsewhere, if his release clause is £9m, who cares if he goes? Just because he is pimping himself to the top 4 doesn't automatically mean anyone will bite in any case. If they do, great. We'll have £9m to invest in someone who wants to be here and won't collapse on coming into contact with a blade of grass.
Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: fredbob on May 20, 2007, 11:06:16 PM "I have huge reservations whether he and Oba can play together." Who can Oba play with? The guy is a livewire, brilliant one game and then absolute turd for 2. I dont buy into this Oba and Owen cant play together, i think that thees a decent chance that they could. From what i have seen of OBa he naturally likes to pick p the ball deep, under Roeder there was no chance of himbein allowed to go deep, as far as roeder was concerend he needed to play right on the back of the last defender. Thats not oba at all, however it is Owen. I knida see Oba as a very poor mans Rooney, which isn;t exactly disprectful. Rooney and Owen play well together. However, i cant see SA employing a 442 which kinda undermines this entire argument Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: TinoInHiding on May 21, 2007, 02:23:19 AM Quote from: TheSun Three games to join Man Utd MICHAEL OWEN has three games to clinch an £11million move to Manchester United. The Newcastle striker must prove his fitness with England this summer. United boss Alex Ferguson will monitor Owen when he plays for England B against Andorra next Friday. The little hitman will be in the squad for the friendly with Brazil at Wembley on June 1. Then comes the big one — the Euro 2008 qualifier in Estonia on June 6. Despite reports to the contrary, Owen’s get-out clause from Newcastle is £11m. Owen, 27, has had horrendous injury problems since signing for Newcastle for £16m from Real Madrid in August 2005. The former Liverpool striker broke a metatarsal on New Year’s Eve — and made only one more appearance for the Toon that season, at Birmingham in April. He still went to the World Cup but damaged knee ligaments and was sidelined again until last month. Owen’s Toon tally is 14 games, with seven goals. Newcastle are furious their star man is prepared to exercise his escape clause after such a poor return. New boss Sam Allardyce has also made it clear he wants talks with Owen as soon as possible in a bid to keep him. :knuppel2: :'( :'( Title: Re: Fat Fred Speaks About Owen Loyalty................... Post by: thomas on May 21, 2007, 02:29:58 AM zero quotes, zero credibility, zero truth. God bless The Sun.
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