Louis Van Gaal – His Part In Our Downfall
By Bob Yule On Tue 20 Mar 2007 |
So where did it all go wrong? We lost very comprehensively, and we didn’t
lose to a particularly good side. Over the two legs, there were elements of bad
luck and individual errors, but on reflection I think some of the explanation
lies in the battle, psychological as well as tactical, that took place between
the two managers.
Van Gaal kicked things off before the first leg. Rather surprisingly, he had a
little dig at Roeder along the same lines as Redknapp had done before. He said
that, with the quality of our individual players, we ought to be doing better
– a clear hint that the manager was at fault. Roeder replied that Van Gaal
had probably been misquoted, but if he hadn’t been, he didn’t care.
I thought that the episode showed a lack of class on Van Gaal’s part.
Here’s a man with a brilliant track record as a manager, taking what seemed
an unnecessary pop at a man whose achievements are clearly more modest. In
normal circumstances, you’d say that Van Gaal might be rattled, but I wonder
now whether, as usual, he’d done his homework.
Despite his many breezy statements to the contrary, I think Roeder is very
sensitive to criticisms of his managerial record. He feels that he has been
unlucky – perhaps with some justification – and that he is at least the
equal of many managers who have been considered superior. I’m not talking
about the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson. I’m thinking more on the lines of
the likes of Hughes, Jewell, Moyes and Curbishley. I think Roeder is quite
touchy on this issue, and more than once has been unnecessarily chippy and
defensive in his attitude to his managerial rivals. What’s more, I think the
ever-thorough Van Gaal knew this, and tried to unsettle him.
Of course it all backfired in the first leg, and that would have hurt Van Gaal
deeply. He even said that Alkmaar had been the better side - a claim that said
more about his wounded pride than his real opinions about how the game had gone.
He’d been turned over by a manager who he’d previously tried to belittle,
and for a man of his standing in the game, that must have been hard to
swallow.
And so we come to the second leg. I don’t think there was a lot to criticise
in terms of Roeder’s initial team selection. It was the same as the first
leg, bar an enforced change at left back due to injury. Perhaps he could have
taken a bigger risk with Emre, but we’re not in a position to judge his
fitness. Also, personally, I much prefer to see Dyer up front instead of
Sibierski. However, there’s no denying that most managers would have stuck as
near as possible to the team that had done so well in the first game.
The whistle went and it was clear that it wasn’t working. Solano, who starts
off so many good moves at right back, was isolated and pressured into errors.
The passing and movement that had been so effective in the first leg had gone,
and we were reduced to launching the ball on to Sibierski’s head. He won many
aerial challenges, but as we all know that it’s getting to the knock down that
counts, not winning the header, and Alkmaar had no problem in mopping everything
up.
When the first goal went in, Van Gaal performed an extended and provocative
dance of delight right in front of our dugout. Again, it was a gesture that
lacked class, and he was clearly out to unsettle his rival. You couldn’t call
it a turning point, but I do wonder whether by this stage the accumulated
pressure of facing a hostile opponent of Van Gaal’s stature had got to
Roeder.
It became more and more obvious as the game wore on that change was needed. Yet
the changes when they came, were too late and were not, in my opinion, the right
ones. I’m inclined to think that Roeder’s judgement was affected by the
pressure that his opponent had brought to bear.
My general opinion of Roeder is that he’s done well in his time as manager,
under difficult circumstances. He gets criticised for poor selections and poor
tactics, but I think he’s been sound in these areas. He’s maintained faith
in his own judgement under considerable pressure at times, and he’s not been
afraid to take the unorthodox or the unpopular decision. The players appear to
have had faith in him and in what he asks of them.
But at Alkmaar, it was very different. Dyer became frustrated and started to
drift inside, trying to make something happen. You couldn’t blame him,
because we were not carrying any threat at all, but our shape was affected, and
problems almost inevitably arise when players take matters into their own hands.
Belatedly, Roeder gave Dyer the free attacking role in the centre that he
craves, but he failed to bite the bullet and take off Sibierski, and space
became very cramped.
For me, this was the most telling decision. Sibierski appeared to be doing his
job as target man well, and substituting him would have been very unpopular. If
we’d gone on to lose nonetheless, the criticism of Roeder would have been even
more vociferous. But the wider picture was that we needed to change tactics and
get the ball on the deck. This is where a manager really earns his corn – by
backing his judgement in situations where he knows that, if the decision fails,
he’s going to get hammered.
I think bringing on the creative Emre was a good move, but it shouldn’t have
been Duff who made way. We ended up in a messy 4-3-3 – a formation which is
not familiar to the team – and what’s more we didn’t have the right
players to make it work. All in all, it looked like a mess and what’s more
not really the sort of mess that the clear-thinking Roeder usually makes. For
what’s it’s worth, I think it should have been Emre for Butt or Parker, and
Milner for Sibierski.
The fact that we nearly got a goal in the last few minutes, despite the
shambolic organisation, says more about the opposition than our team. Theirs
was not the most difficult defence to breach, as both we and other European
teams had already found.
At the end, Van Gaal rubbed salt in Roeder’s wounds by saying that the key to
management was getting the players to believe in what the coach was asking them
to do. By the end, it was clear that our team were a rudderless ship who were
attempting to improvise their own solutions, and that Alkmaar were still
working to a plan. There’s no question that Van Gaal knows how to set a team
up well, and often in unorthodox and original ways, but in this case he’d
succeeded in out-psyching his opponent as well.
However, I don’t think we should be too hard on Roeder. Van Gaal has taken
what looks to me like a fairly ordinary side to second place in the Dutch
league. If Roeder failed to sort things out on the night, it looks like lots of
other managers have had similar difficulties. Van Gaal has been one of the
world’s top managers of the last 25 years, so defeat is no particular
disgrace. And like all successful men, he lacks nothing when it comes to
ruthlessness and doing whatever he can to secure an advantage.
It feels like the club is in shock, and the usual search for a scapegoat has
begun. Worryingly, it looks like Roeder has been tempted to join in. The
selection against Charlton, with Bramble and Huntington dropped and Sibierski
retained, seems like a stubborn assertion that his selection and tactics on
Thursday were right, and that he was let down by his defenders. He has always
been a man under pressure, but now he is starting to act like one. It is
important that he recovers some faith in himself and his players.
Of course that will take nerve, and I hope that Roeder has still got it. The
overall picture is that the team has improved under his leadership, and
coolness under pressure has been one of his biggest assets.
Here’s hoping.

P.S. Van Gaal did fantastically against Newcastle. He knew how to beat us both on and off the pitch. Now thats a characteristic of a real World Class manager.
Sent in on: March 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
A Note to Sheppard:
Since Bobby Robson left St James park, would you have a look at the managers that you’ve employed since?
Souness
Roeder - Weyhey he managed to save us from relegation after Souness and we managed to qualify for the Inter-toto (with Alan Shearer as his assistant).
This season has not gone as expected. The motivation of having a guy like shearer around has gone and we are slowly sliding into trouble.
No we’ll have a look at the post-Kev records:
Dalglish - Ruined the makings of a League winning side by bringing past heros in to replace the likes of Les Ferdinand, David Ginola etc
Ruud Gullit (Commonly known to play sexy football, eherm, and had Ginfranco Zola at Chelsea) - Had to pick up the pieces after Dalglish - tried but failed (not good enough as a manager) - where was the sexy football?
Bobby Robson - Had to carry on picking the pieces up after Dalglish. Managed to build up a half decent team (many of the players are still present). Did well, got sacked !
Souness - errrr, what can i say, had a decent team after Bobby left, turned the team to an average side who werent ever going to finish in the top half of the table.
World Class Manager - errr, No, Glen Roeder, you know, that guy who got West Ham relegated?
I believe that world class manager gap should be filled with a world class manager regardless of the wages. Think of your share prices and the value of the club.
Freddy, you’ll be lucky to get £70m for the club, never mind £100m, after we get relegated next season !!
Splash out, just like you have for players like Martins (£9m), Owen(£17m), Luque(£9m) (total: £35m), on a world class manager who can manage those players and all the rest to win things !!
Imagine what it’ll be like to hold a real Cup that your club have won.
Give a real manager a chance, go on, we could be the entertainers again !!
Mark
Sent in on: March 27th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Quote: “The
overall picture is that the team has improved under his leadership, and
coolness under pressure has been one of his biggest assets.”
How can anyone say this? Players have been continuously played out of position and their abilities have disintergrated. I cant believe anybody is going to say that Roeder handled the Euro Cup exit well. We lost, we’re out of Europe ! We’ve no chance of qualifying for europe next season. Bobby would have got us into the UEFA cup at least.
Who thinks that Reoder is going to take us forward from here?
Who thinks we could be facing relegation next season under Roeder?
Sent in on: March 27th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
this site is crap now, no player ratings after games, and you guys take ages to get posts, up the new kit was lanuched ages ago and u dont have anything on it yet !
what do people think of it?
Sent in on: March 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Playing huntington at left back was suicide. The kid isnt Premiership standard yet if he ever will be for that matter. I was disappointed when I read he is signing another 3 year contract. Just what is it that makes him the blue eyed boy at Newcastle?, everyone is talking about it. Good luck to the kid because no matter how he plays he appears to be beyond criticism in Roeder’s eyes. The reserves were beaten 3-1 the other night and Roeder said he was the best man on the pitch by far. Edgar on the other hand cannot put a foot right even though he has saved us on two occasions and looks world class. Everyone has their favourites I suppose, Mr Roeder isnt one of mine i’m afraid !!
Sent in on: March 23rd, 2007 at 9:20 am
Sadly for Roeder, this article highlights to me the difference between Roeder and a top manager. Roeder panics and cracks while the top manager keeps to his plans and belief and wins through. It just reafirms Roeder needs to go, and go now.
Sent in on: March 22nd, 2007 at 3:23 pm
A good read Bob, looking past the obvious & some added points from Manny.
I hope we recover from this sooner rather than later.
Sent in on: March 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 am
Well Done.
A very concise article in it’s own right, with great details and analysis.
However I have to differ with several of your points of view. I believe you are giving Van Gaal too much credit and Mr Roeder far too much benefit of the doubt.
When Van Gaal took his men to St James’s he knew about our main weakness which was the defence he also knew like any coach will do is that a team who lacks defence lacks organisation. He also knew by looking on paper our main strength is clearly the midfield,and attack. With Butt and Parker centrally this should not be the easiest to breach also not fogetting Dyer and Duff make ideal outlets for the central midfield with their rapid pace.
Being the away team Van Gaal set out his team to contain the ball and pass it around as much as possible. Thus by doing this hopefully it will draw our midfield out of position leaving our defence to be vulnerable. Many coaches would have done exactly what Van Gaal did but the bold ones, the brave ones would have gone direct to try and by-pass our midfield (i.e using the channels, playing wide, or even long ball) and attack us like they did in the second half and second leg.
Van Gaal made the mistake of not being ruthless enough and giving us far too much respect but to be fair to the Dutchman, I doubt anyone could have foreseen Newcastle’s out of character, 35 minutes spurt of, some of the best attacking football we’ve played all season.
Ok Second leg.
So You’re saying it’s only right that Roeder line up a team as close as possible to the same line up we had at St.James’s. Usually this is correct but not in our case… Fatal Mistake it was… why you ask? So many reasons… Our line up in the first leg was to attack, we didnt have a game plan we just went out for the kill and it worked.
In the second leg, same line-up despite Huntington replacing Carr it was relatively the same. The main difference was we had a game plan, im not talking about all-out-defence but we had an intention to contain the ball like Alkmaar did in the 1st half of the 1st leg (look what happened to them). It’s ironic that we played better without a plan and managed to score 4 goals.
To name the ultimate mistake by Glender. To go out and to contain a game against a side that is the leading goal scorers of their domestic league aswell as the leading scorer’s of the very competition we are playing them in is madness. Centre backs are known for their strengths not agility, putting a stiff inexperience, lack of position sense paul Huntington against a orthadox, trick pacy winger is again pure madness. I mean the amount of times Huntington got turned was embarressing not to mention his poor postioning which certaining did not help.
With a 3 goal lead Glenn’s plan could have been correct even with our lack of tactical nous in our players we mite just have gotten away with it (with abit of luck too) but with a 2 goal margin and the away goal rule? Some say success and failure in football has a very thin line.
All I can say is. Mr Glenn Roeder my friend, look at your team, spot your strengths and spot the weakness. Play to your strengths.
Sent in on: March 20th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Give van gaal the managers job at newcastle and watch us go. We need a top manager at the toon and van gaal would be perfect.Mr roeder is a mid table manager at best,c’mon Freddie think about it you know it makes sense.
Sent in on: March 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Agree completely with this view.Roeder has tried to shift the blame by pointing the finger at Defenders.I’m no Bramble fan and he made mistakes but the back 4 were exposed too much by a poor shape in front.Pace would have seen them off.Sibierski on the bench,Dyer off Martins up top,Milner and N’Zogbia wide MF and possibly Duff at LB.We could have stopped their FBs getting forward.Van Gaal wouldnt have expected it.We made it easy for him
Sent in on: March 20th, 2007 at 8:49 pm